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Andski
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Posted - 2014.03.07 08:31:00 -
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don't get your hopes up Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.07 08:46:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:Sorry son, but you aren't going to stop me doing anything.
Here, let me spray some WD40 on your up tight nuts: Encouraging other players to grief another player in game in the hope that the victim actually commited suicide IRL, is cyberbullying. It doesn't matter what medium that encouragement was delivered in, the fact that Mittens was goading other players to carry out in game actions in the hope of achieving said outcome is cyberbullying by proxy.
Mittens is a proven cyberbully.
In those immortal words as used by Mittens the day after his notorious Alliance panel broadcast:
~deal with it~
It's more amusing that so many Angry Impotent Pubbie Nobodies are stuck to an incident that happened two years ago and was resolved Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.07 08:51:00 -
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Basically if he were to run he'd inevitably be elected and there's not a damn thing you'd be able to do about it beyond post more tears on the forums. Whether CCP would clear him to run is another question, but he wouldn't run without clearing it with CCP beforehand, so if he ever did post that he was running, you'd be unable to effect anything there (or anything at all) Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.07 09:09:00 -
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I mean sure one could mount a campaign to pile on a huge number of votes on other candidates to ensure that he isn't elected, or at least ensure that he doesn't get into one of the top two seats, but the chances of anybody getting the huge number of unmotivated non-voters in the playerbase to actually be interested in the CSM is slim to none
But discussing it is pointless in any case because Mittens has publicly stated that he has no intention of running for the CSM. It probably has a lot to do with the fact that he runs a gaming media company and that the NDA would in no small way conflict with that, and his leverage in CSM 6 was through his Rolodex full of media contacts in any case. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.07 09:13:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:So you've got a personality cult, a hater group and the people caught in between. The power of persuasion is strong in some people, apparently. Reminds me of certain situations from the past 100 years.
if you're trying to steer this towards godwinning just stop Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.07 11:27:00 -
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admiral root wrote:They have a history of forcing CCP's hand when things need fixing, even if fixing them is bad for Goons. But why should a single group of players have any more responsibility to do anything of the sort? They're paying customers, just like you and I.
We don't "force CCP's hand," although I understand why it could be seen that way. POS bowling was declared and exploit and later nerfed when we started doing it. AoE doomsdays were changed in Dominion after we (along with PL, RAWR and others) demonstrated killing a carrier with AoE doomsdays, which showed that taken to its logical conclusion, a handful of titans could one-shot an arbitrarily large capital fleet with impunity. We abused drone assist by fielding Dominixes exclusively (along with everyone else in nullsec because, frankly, that was the optimal doctrine.) Tech was abused through excesses like Burn Jita, Hulkageddon, OTEC and other stuff like paying goons to make dumb propaganda posters - basically spending huge amounts of ISK on silly crap while continuing to have full peacetime and strategic ship reimbursement and maintaining multiple regions worth of sov.
Backchannels to CCP are a myth and have been for years. We have a CSM presence, but we have it because CSM 5 were awful and full of empire players voicing their opinions on 0.0 mechanics that they had absolutely no experience with, while CCP gave them their ear. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.07 11:46:00 -
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Inari Visas wrote:Not at all. I don't mind goons in game. I have respect for they did and are doing in game - all of their achievements. But the attitude as an in game corp, imho, have no place on the CSM. Which is the issue of this topic.
I, too, extrapolate my views on an entire group of people based on my experiences with a single member. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.07 12:36:00 -
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It doesn't matter how players feel about a candidate until the time comes to vote. The only thing, to my knowledge, that prevents Mittens from running is his desire not to. CCP explicitly stated in their devblog after the Fanfest incident that he may be eligible to run for the CSM in the future: "As per our policies, this candidate may be eligible to run at a later date subject to candidacy review." Public opinion doesn't have any bearing on the eligibility of a candidate - one may point out the case of Fon Revedhort being barred from running, but that was entirely based on CCP's judgment. The players that objected to his candidacy only brought his questionable posts to CCP's attention, and CCP's judgment in that case was based on the possibility of his presence in the CSM being toxic for both the members of the council and CCP staff participating in their discussions. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.07 13:44:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:Hahaha, I wondered how long it would take for the $10 buy-a-friend crowd to come of the the wood work.
Mmmmm, the Grubbie tears are delicious as always.
you're still wrong no matter how much ~puppetmasta~ nonsense you post Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.07 13:48:00 -
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and considering how much of a frothing rage you get into every time somebody brings up Goonswarm I don't think you get to talk about "tears" lmao Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.07 14:05:00 -
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Also need I point out the hypocrisy of dragging somebody's name through the mud for two years and calling them a "proven cyberbully" at every opportunity? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.07 23:04:00 -
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Alejandro Rebenga wrote:Haha, I've just re-read the past posts about this.. good read, good read.
Although I have to ask for clarification: was he banned, or did he resign to avoid the ban?
Paging CCP Xhagen?
he resigned from the CSM and took a 30 day suspension Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.08 10:53:00 -
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there is no revisionism: he resigned and got a 30 day suspension
and if you read that second devblog you'll find that he can still run for the CSM should he wish to do so, and no matter how much you cry about it he'll get elected Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.08 11:30:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:The dude has a more inexplicable cult of personality than Barack Obama. I will never understand the sheeple that blindly follow egomaniacs like them.
lol Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.08 11:31:00 -
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we actually do that so that he won't quit and make somebody else run the alliance, **** that Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.08 11:53:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:No, what CCP needs to do is stand on their own two feet, and be willing to say "THIS is the direction we are going with the game, and this is the reason.... "
what you're actually saying is that CCP should stand on their own two feet and be willing to say "THIS is the direction we are going with the game, because it's the one that Kyperion wants"
perhaps the direction you think they want to take the game is not, in fact, that Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.08 11:56:00 -
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perhaps the direction they actually wish to take the game towards is the one they've been taking it towards this entire time, and you don't like it but you think that CCP's desires for the game are aligned with yours and that there's some external, dominating force that is telling them what to do with the game, when that is not the case Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.08 13:19:00 -
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Inari Visas wrote:The way I see it, to an extent, is that by putting this level of power with the players, all concept of neutrality is lost. When you put players in seat of power, and these players are part of some of the biggest blocks in a game, someone must realise that objectivity is an issue here. And objectivity in eve is one of the biggest concerns with players.
Trust in this game is at it's most basic and non forgiving form. It only produces losers in this game. What CCP is saying with CSM, in my eyes, is that they are somewhat clueless about what they want the game to be.
Or
They power that the major players hold in this game is akin to someone holding a gun to their head. They are afraid to anger certain parties. Now, I don't really mind it. I'm not at a point where I am familiar with much of what the game has to offer me. I enjoy what I have now, and it's different enough to keep me here.
What I want to see, and it's why I am waiting eagerly to fanfest, is CCP in control on the out of game decisions. Keep players inside the game, not out of it. Somewhat.
Than again, the fact that eve is still here after 10 years, can show that the stance they take is the right one. You can't convince (nor should you have to) me or anyone else, that CSM is neutral. CCP should be the only gods in this game, yet you can't promise they are neutral as well. Its the curse of the game, and one aspect that is synonymous with it. Trust no one.
We should be able to trust CCP atleast.
You're assuming that the CSM have any form of power. They do not. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.08 16:10:00 -
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Inari Visas wrote:Andski wrote:You're assuming that the CSM have any form of power. They do not. Than why are you defending his right to be in CSM? If there is no point, why bother with something useless?
To "defend" his right to be in the CSM would mean that that right is somehow under attack. It's not. I'm merely stating facts: he was never barred from running for the CSM, and if he runs, he'd win. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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