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Inari Visas
X-Prot
32
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Posted - 2014.03.07 11:41:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You know what I'm hearing from you?
Unwillingness do something about a thing you complain about. I'm not a Goon, nor do I expect I shall ever be, but I cannot ignore the combination of hypocrisy and cowardice in all you "Grr Goons" people.
You're anklebiters, plain and simple.
Not at all. I don't mind goons in game. I have respect for they did and are doing in game - all of their achievements. But the attitude as an in game corp, imho, have no place on the CSM. Which is the issue of this topic. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10262
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Posted - 2014.03.07 11:46:00 -
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Inari Visas wrote:Not at all. I don't mind goons in game. I have respect for they did and are doing in game - all of their achievements. But the attitude as an in game corp, imho, have no place on the CSM. Which is the issue of this topic.
I, too, extrapolate my views on an entire group of people based on my experiences with a single member. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Inari Visas
X-Prot
32
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Posted - 2014.03.07 12:02:00 -
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Andski wrote:I, too, extrapolate my views on an entire group of people based on my experiences with a single member.
Than shows everyone what you are and lets stop throwing catch phrases around. Everyone is responsible for their own image. This needs to work both ways. If you cared about your (goons) image, you would do something about it.
Obviously, you don't care. |

Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
546
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Posted - 2014.03.07 12:09:00 -
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Inari Visas wrote:Andski wrote:I, too, extrapolate my views on an entire group of people based on my experiences with a single member. Than shows everyone what you are and lets stop throwing catch phrases around. Everyone is responsible for their own image. This needs to work both ways. If you cared about your (goons) image, you would do something about it. Obviously, you don't care. p.s. Again, I don't think the goons are evil, but that one person is the leader of the goons. Doesn't that mean someting? And there's no need to care. No need to care about your opinion either. It's irrelevant. You might not even be glad you're *allowed* to *have* an opinion and just take it for granted that you can fling it around like a monkey throwing his crap at other monkeys he doesn't like. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10262
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Posted - 2014.03.07 12:36:00 -
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It doesn't matter how players feel about a candidate until the time comes to vote. The only thing, to my knowledge, that prevents Mittens from running is his desire not to. CCP explicitly stated in their devblog after the Fanfest incident that he may be eligible to run for the CSM in the future: "As per our policies, this candidate may be eligible to run at a later date subject to candidacy review." Public opinion doesn't have any bearing on the eligibility of a candidate - one may point out the case of Fon Revedhort being barred from running, but that was entirely based on CCP's judgment. The players that objected to his candidacy only brought his questionable posts to CCP's attention, and CCP's judgment in that case was based on the possibility of his presence in the CSM being toxic for both the members of the council and CCP staff participating in their discussions. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
222
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Posted - 2014.03.07 12:48:00 -
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Andski wrote:It doesn't matter how players feel about a candidate until the time comes to vote. The only thing, to my knowledge, that prevents Mittens from running is his desire not to. CCP explicitly stated in their devblog after the Fanfest incident that he may be eligible to run for the CSM in the future: "As per our policies, this candidate may be eligible to run at a later date subject to candidacy review." Public opinion doesn't have any bearing on the eligibility of a candidate - one may point out the case of Fon Revedhort being barred from running, but that was entirely based on CCP's judgment. The players that objected to his candidacy only brought his questionable posts to CCP's attention, and CCP's judgment in that case was based on the possibility of his presence in the CSM being toxic for both the members of the council and CCP staff participating in their discussions.
/thread? I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
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Kinis Deren
The Nyan Cat Pirates Disband.
303
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Posted - 2014.03.07 13:14:00 -
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Hahaha, I wondered how long it would take for the $10 buy-a-friend crowd to come of the the wood work.
Mmmmm, the Grubbie tears are delicious as always. Into PVP & looking for small gang focused, NPC Null corp? Check out The Nyan Cat Pirates!
Corp CEO looking for an easy going, none sov, PVP alliance? Join Disband. today! |

Kinis Deren
The Nyan Cat Pirates Disband.
303
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Posted - 2014.03.07 13:16:00 -
[68] - Quote
Btw, for all the new guys out there, here's the recording from the Fanfest presentation. Into PVP & looking for small gang focused, NPC Null corp? Check out The Nyan Cat Pirates!
Corp CEO looking for an easy going, none sov, PVP alliance? Join Disband. today! |

Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
64
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Posted - 2014.03.07 13:19:00 -
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how about no "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith |

Inari Visas
X-Prot
32
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Posted - 2014.03.07 13:27:00 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote: And there's no need to care. No need to care about your opinion either. It's irrelevant. You might not even be glad you're *allowed* to *have* an opinion and just take it for granted that you can fling it around like a monkey throwing his crap at other monkeys he doesn't like.
Opinions are like assholes. |

Novah Soul
85
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Posted - 2014.03.07 13:30:00 -
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In the bulk of this anti-Goon grumbling, am I the only admitted high-sec carebear that mostly enjoys the Goon's antics? I find a lot of entertainment in reading or hearing about how a poor noob and/or ignorant player (or group) falls for well known recruitment scams and the burn Jitas/Hulkageddon when GSF generally makes these things public knowledge well in advance.
Sort of a Cyber-Darwinism thing going on.  |

Tronjay the'3rd
IGNOTUS AGENDA
58
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Posted - 2014.03.07 13:33:00 -
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Mittens? ........ ah you mean Shittani.
Jokes aside ........ The guy needs a shrink, not a CSM chair.
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Sun Tzu-á-¬ |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1050
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Posted - 2014.03.07 13:35:00 -
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admiral root wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:I think enough time has passed and Mittens has had plenty of time to think about his one poor choice he made. We should forgive and forget, and have Mittens take his rightful place as CSM chair. How much did he pay you to say this? People have to be paid to want an effective CSM chair?
Sure, why not? Btw... I have 4 votes for sale if anyone wants to pay for them.  |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10263
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Posted - 2014.03.07 13:44:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:Hahaha, I wondered how long it would take for the $10 buy-a-friend crowd to come of the the wood work.
Mmmmm, the Grubbie tears are delicious as always.
you're still wrong no matter how much ~puppetmasta~ nonsense you post Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10263
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Posted - 2014.03.07 13:48:00 -
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and considering how much of a frothing rage you get into every time somebody brings up Goonswarm I don't think you get to talk about "tears" lmao Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4994
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Posted - 2014.03.07 14:04:00 -
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When I was in high school, our high school football coach had a policy against "trash talking". You know, talking "mess" to the opposing team or responding to the same. Doing so, even in anger, would get you benched. As kids, we didn't understand it, the trash talking was the second most fun part of football (after tackling some dude who made the mistake of touching the ball while not being on our team lol).
He directed us to be silent if we were losing, but if we were winning we could use one reply. If the other team started trash talking because they were losing, we were allowed to point at the score board and say "oh, look at that score there"..... which we did. It infuriated opposing teams way more than any trash talk did and that fury helped them lose and us win.
Same with our silence at losing, after high school I had guys from other schools come up and tell me "man, you suckers were scary as hell when yuo were losing, that wall of silence was unnerving". So unnerving we almost never lost and won State my junior year.
The coach was teaching us to be men about it, because it's childish to display your impotence to someone who is beating you at a game when you should be redoubling your physical efforts to win, and it's unworthy of a man to gloat or respond to trash talk when he is winning. He told us "talking is all those losers CAN do, you know when they resort to that, you're winning, even if you don't glance at the score board".
I tell that story because every time there is a post about Mittani or Goons, here come the impotent losers brigade to talk crap about them and puff themselves up as if they aren't impotent losers. The worst thing is this is what Goons want, because like my coach, they know they are winning when weak and ineffective people (who can't even muster enough internet space ships to challenge them on the score board/SOV map) have nothing else at their disposal but writing "strongly worded letters" (posts) on the internet.
I'm blue to them right now, but in the past I expressed my disagreement with Goons with space-firearms, not posts. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10270
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Posted - 2014.03.07 14:05:00 -
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Also need I point out the hypocrisy of dragging somebody's name through the mud for two years and calling them a "proven cyberbully" at every opportunity? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Inari Visas
X-Prot
32
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Posted - 2014.03.07 14:15:00 -
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Wow.
Everyone calm the frak down. I got this.
Poe's law dictates that one can't detect sarcasm on the internet without proper information.
Also, that story about trash talking is the ****. |

flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2084
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Posted - 2014.03.07 14:18:00 -
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Inari Visas wrote:I don't know what they do that is so bad, it's what they don't do. I don't think they are evil or something, but if you have such an influence on a game and it's community, wouldn't it be best to act accordingly?
From my point of view, they act a bit selfishly, as I read from their comments here and there.
It's a game , we all play it to work towards our own goal not the goals of others unless we have mutuall goals.So yes they are selfish in a way , as we all are ... 
Don't get me wrong they can behave like lill schoolkids a lot of the time , but hey if that's what they enjoy doing then all the better for them.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
509
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Posted - 2014.03.07 14:31:00 -
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I for one would not want this person representing me. What if he decided to tell someone else to go kill themselves?
No thanks I will PASS.
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Thomas Harding
Flaming Sideburns Social Club
15
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Posted - 2014.03.07 14:34:00 -
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Inari Visas wrote:Wow.
Poe's law dictates that one can't detect sarcasm on the internet without proper information.
Or one could use Wiio's laws too. Most fundamental part of them is: Communication usually fails, except by accident |

March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1305
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Posted - 2014.03.07 14:39:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I'm not a Goon... .. but you really want to get there and work very hard.
i wish you the best luck in your way to goonie! 
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Batelle
HOMELE55
2141
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Posted - 2014.03.07 14:47:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:Here, let me spray some WD40 on your up tight nuts: Encouraging other players to grief another player in game in the hope that the victim actually commited suicide IRL, is cyberbullying. It doesn't matter what medium that encouragement was delivered in, the fact that Mittens was goading other players to carry out in game actions in the hope of achieving said outcome is cyberbullying by proxy.
This isn't facebook or pintrest or flickr and we aren't angsty pre-teens. He said a horrible and stupid thing but its also not the same as literally wishing the person to die. Obviously given his position within Eve and the forum in which he said those comments are aggravating factors. But sure, he probably shouldn't run for CSM. He shouldn't be prevented from doing so either. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |

Higgs Foton
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2014.03.07 14:54:00 -
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As far as i know Mittens will not be running for CSM. Might be wrong about that. But lets face it: He does not need to run for CSM.
Have you guys ever heard about THE SPACE ILLUMINATI?
This is a secret kabal which is a shadow CSM with direct ties into CCP. The normal CSM is just a operation to appease the normal New Eden citizen, and to keep the idea in place that democracy works and is in place in new eden.
But in reality THE SPACE ILLUMINATI run New Eden with a ruthless agenda for domination and to gain as much isk as possible. They have CCP it its grasp and all of you as well. There is no escaping THE SPACE ILLUMINATI.
Guess three times who the chairman of THE SPACE ILLUMINATI is.  |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
482
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Posted - 2014.03.07 14:54:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:No. A proven cyberbully is an extremely poor choice as a player representative. This is especially true in Mitten's case since he was in CSM office when said EULA breaking action took place. It is irrelevant whether the failed lawyer is on the CSM or not. His influence is manifested through the who know how many null sec cartel reps goons place on the CSM. Further, as Ripard Teg, a current CSM member, stated in his blog, the failed lawyer uses his own back channels, apparently on a near daily basis, to give dev's his opinion about the direction of the game. Oh, and ISD, this is not hearsay. When a sitting CSM member states it in his blog, I kinda think it is accurate.
For the enlighenment and reading pleasure of all, I'm sure you wouldn't mind linking the blog post. |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
482
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Posted - 2014.03.07 15:03:00 -
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Cavalira wrote:admiral root wrote:Inari Visas wrote:I don't know what they do that is so bad, it's what they don't do. I don't think they are evil or something, but if you have such an influence on a game and it's community, wouldn't it be best to act accordingly? They have a history of forcing CCP's hand when things need fixing, even if fixing them is bad for Goons. But why should a single group of players have any more responsibility to do anything of the sort? They're paying customers, just like you and I. I didn't see a slowcat nerf.
Drone assist got changed. |

Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1372
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Posted - 2014.03.07 15:21:00 -
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I'm pretty sure Mittens can talk for himself, he does need a, (oh cannot say that gets me into trouble), he doesn't need a (damn cannot write that either gives me a lifetime ban) and why am I responding in a thread to someone I have blocked?
Carry on, back to my bree! |

Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2620
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Posted - 2014.03.07 15:23:00 -
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Higgs Foton wrote:Guess three times who the chairman of THE SPACE ILLUMINATI is.  plot twist: it's dinsdale pirannha |

Capt Fossil
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.03.07 15:25:00 -
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Nahhhhh
Nope
No way |

Treborr MintingtonJr
Quantum Reality R n D Spaceship Samurai
189
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Posted - 2014.03.07 15:50:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Higgs Foton wrote:Guess three times who the chairman of THE SPACE ILLUMINATI is.  plot twist: it's dinsdale pirannha Second plot twist: three years of trying to turn "the space illuminati" into an ambigram |
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