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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17029
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Posted - 2014.03.08 10:05:00 -
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Your Dad Naked wrote:Use the Nereus from now on. Iteron, Tayra, Mammoth and Bestower cannot fit a respectable tank. Sigil/Wreathe/Badger can work too, but aren't as solid overall.
[Nereus, Tanked]
2x Large Shield Extender II 3x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Damage Control II 4x Local Hull Conversion Expanded Cargo I
3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
[Nereus, Cargo]
2x Large Shield Extender II 3x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Damage Control II 4x Local Hull Conversion Expanded Cargo I
3x Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Those expanded cargohold mods eat enough out of the structure that the benefits of the DC II are virtually negated. You may as well not bother with it and fit another cargo mod for all the good it does in those fits.
The fits also active tank, which requires people to be at the keyboard.
This'll fit with Gallente industrial 1 if all the other skills are up to scratch, with the invul and DC running it hits around 38k (23k Eve) EHP against suicide gankers in blaster ships, with the minimum skills required for the mods. With good skills it'll hit 50k+ (26k Eve) EHP.
You'll get half of that if you're autopiloting, and only lose half as much if it goes boom because of the small cargo. [Nereus, Hisec Hauler]
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Damage Control II 2x Expanded Cargohold II 2x Reinforced Bulkheads II
3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
I'll let someone else explain the difference between Eve EHP and evehq/eft EHP. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10285
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Posted - 2014.03.08 10:17:00 -
[32] - Quote
do what I do and pay somebody else to do your hauling Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10285
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Posted - 2014.03.08 10:21:00 -
[33] - Quote
why? because 1) you can and 2) the guy doing the hauling for you knows what he's doing otherwise he wouldn't be paying a billion in collateral to make a couple million Twitter: @EVEAndski
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10310
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Posted - 2014.03.08 10:38:00 -
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You took a pooly tanked t1 industrial into a 0.5 system with getting on for 500 mil in cargo in it. You died quickly and due to being AFK you also got podded before Concord could land on grid. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Gregor Parud
283
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Posted - 2014.03.08 11:07:00 -
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Lets look at the facts:
- the damage done to your ship ship is LESS than the volley damage of 3 T2 gardes backed by 4 DDA, this means that he one shotted you, easily
- you were in a 0.5 system, it takes 20 seconds for concord to arrive and act. Sentries have 5 second cycle timer, so he instapopped your ship and 5 seconds later he instapopped your pod too
- the ganker has many vexor losses due to concord this month, showcasing he doesn't use some loophole, trick or exploit
- you yourself state that your knowledge on the game is limited, simply due to being away for so long. But somehow you seem to have this idea that the stuff we tell you is wrong and that you have a really good idea of what happened. Based on what?
You got instapopped because you had close to 500 mil in your untanked hauler. So you were either afk and didn't notice it at all or you were sperging and not paying attention, that's what happened. Stop trying to find excuses and blaming weird exploits or game mechanics, blame yourself. |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
720
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Posted - 2014.03.08 11:30:00 -
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I got killed in hisec, therefore something is wrong.
I didn't see him get concorded, therefore he did not get concorded.
I have been away and then this happened, therefore the game has changed by removing concord and not in other ways like crimewatch.
I sbed someone in hisec once and remember I was concorded in "no time flat", therefore he should have been too.
"There must be something about sentry drones interaction in highsec , concord, and PVP", therefore there must be something wrong.
I can fly ships that the requirements say I shouldn't be able to fly, and I can't figure out the self-explanatory primary, secondary, tertiary requirements.
Are you sure this is the game for you? There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17033
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Posted - 2014.03.08 13:23:00 -
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Tul Breetai wrote:I got killed in hisec, therefore something is wrong.
I didn't see him get concorded, therefore he did not get concorded. Nope, nothing is wrong with highsec, unless you were a valid target via crimewatch or wardec then he got concorded, if you feel that he evaded Concord via an exploit report it to CCP.
Quote:I have been away and then this happened, therefore the game has changed by removing concord and not in other ways like crimewatch.
I sbed someone in hisec once and remember I was concorded in "no time flat", therefore he should have been too. Nothings changed, Concord have not been removed, the gank happened in a 0.5, he's got 20ish seconds to do the job before Concord roll up. If it'd been in a 1.0 then instant concordokken would have indeed happened.
Quote:I can fly ships that the requirements say I shouldn't be able to fly, and I can't figure out the self-explanatory primary, secondary, tertiary requirements. If your skills allowed you to fly it before any of the skill changes took effect you still can, the prerequisites for those ships don't apply in the case of "grandfather rights". |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
723
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Posted - 2014.03.08 13:42:00 -
[38] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Tul Breetai wrote:I got killed in hisec, therefore something is wrong.
I didn't see him get concorded, therefore he did not get concorded. Nope, nothing is wrong with highsec, unless you were a valid target via crimewatch or wardec then he got concorded, if you feel that he evaded Concord via an exploit report it to CCP. Quote:I have been away and then this happened, therefore the game has changed by removing concord and not in other ways like crimewatch.
I sbed someone in hisec once and remember I was concorded in "no time flat", therefore he should have been too. Nothings changed, Concord have not been removed, the gank happened in a 0.5, he's got 20ish seconds to do the job before Concord roll up. If it'd been in a 1.0 then instant concordokken would have indeed happened. Quote:I can fly ships that the requirements say I shouldn't be able to fly, and I can't figure out the self-explanatory primary, secondary, tertiary requirements. If your skills allowed you to fly it before any of the skill changes took effect you still can, the prerequisites for those ships don't apply in the case of "grandfather rights". /facepalm There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
Cranky MaDinky
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.03.08 14:08:00 -
[39] - Quote
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Looked at your km. Your attacker is an obvious ganker with many ships lost to CONCORD. I'm sure this one was as well. Your mistake is thinking CONCORD is there to protect you. They aren't. Like the RL cops, they show up, eventually, to punish the bad guy, not save you. They even write a nice report for you and send it to the killboards. Here in Toronto, the cops are the bad guys...
I was duel boxing one day and forgot my anti-psychotic meds. I was so mad at the ganker until I realized I ganked my own alt... |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
75
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Posted - 2014.03.08 14:31:00 -
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I'm not sure why someone would use sentry drones to do that job but CONCORD would have destroyed the ganker.
The main issue though is that you being suicide ganked was entirely your fault. T1 industrials should NOT be used to transport cargo valued at more than twenty million ISK. No exceptions to this rule. T1 industrials cannot be tanked sufficiently and really should only be used to empty PI at customs office, to ferry ore for small scale mining ops, or to do lvl 4 distribution missions. There is no other viable use for them. |
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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
75
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Posted - 2014.03.08 14:33:00 -
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Cranky MaDinky wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Looked at your km. Your attacker is an obvious ganker with many ships lost to CONCORD. I'm sure this one was as well. Your mistake is thinking CONCORD is there to protect you. They aren't. Like the RL cops, they show up, eventually, to punish the bad guy, not save you. They even write a nice report for you and send it to the killboards. Here in Toronto, the cops are the bad guys... I was duel boxing one day and forgot my anti-psychotic meds. I was so mad at the ganker until I realized I ganked my own alt...
In real life in most countries the police are liable to **** and/or murder you and get away scott free. Luckily in New Eden the CONCORD service is beyond reproach. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
405
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Posted - 2014.03.08 14:38:00 -
[42] - Quote
Bethan Le Troix wrote:Cranky MaDinky wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Looked at your km. Your attacker is an obvious ganker with many ships lost to CONCORD. I'm sure this one was as well. Your mistake is thinking CONCORD is there to protect you. They aren't. Like the RL cops, they show up, eventually, to punish the bad guy, not save you. They even write a nice report for you and send it to the killboards. Here in Toronto, the cops are the bad guys... I was duel boxing one day and forgot my anti-psychotic meds. I was so mad at the ganker until I realized I ganked my own alt... In real life in most countries the police are liable to **** and/or murder you and get away scott free. Luckily in New Eden the CONCORD service is beyond reproach.
uh huh :D Try shooting an abandoned blue cargo container. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10311
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Posted - 2014.03.08 14:39:00 -
[43] - Quote
Bethan Le Troix wrote:I'm not sure why someone would use sentry drones to do that job but CONCORD would have destroyed the ganker.
The main issue though is that you being suicide ganked was entirely your fault. T1 industrials should NOT be used to transport cargo valued at more than twenty million ISK. No exceptions to this rule. T1 industrials cannot be tanked sufficiently and really should only be used to empty PI at customs office, to ferry ore for small scale mining ops, or to do lvl 4 distribution missions. There is no other viable use for them.
You can get rather good firepower out of a vexor cheaply. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Zabrina
Half Moon Bay Ventures
4
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Posted - 2014.03.08 14:51:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Zabrina wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Looked at your km. Your attacker is an obvious ganker with many ships lost to CONCORD. I'm sure this one was as well. Your mistake is thinking CONCORD is there to protect you. They aren't. Like the RL cops, they show up, eventually, to punish the bad guy, not save you. They even right a nice report for you and send it to the killboards. No, I understand concord is not there to protect me. There must be something about sentry drones interaction in highsec , concord, and PVP. I just remember the day I smartbombed somebody out during a mission and got punished in no time flat. This one was rather sad as I never saw Concord. Just my hull melt. You're bound and determined to remain ignorant of this, aren't you? You were in a 0.5 system in a negative tanked ship. I could kill you and pod you in a 4 week old alt before CONCORD got there, this guy probably had time to smoke a cigarette and kill somebody else.
Nah, I'm not ignorant of it, I'm rather pragmatic about. AFK hauling happens. Yea I'm going to alt tab out to research new game stuff and switch from between 3 active toons
So I'll get a macro bot that will automatically warp me to zero, jump, align, and warp to 0 to the next gate, repeat repeat repeat. |
Zabrina
Half Moon Bay Ventures
4
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Posted - 2014.03.08 15:15:00 -
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Tul Breetai wrote:I got killed in hisec, therefore something is wrong.
I didn't see him get concorded, therefore he did not get concorded.
I have been away and then this happened, therefore the game has changed by removing concord and not in other ways like crimewatch.
I sbed someone in hisec once and remember I was concorded in "no time flat", therefore he should have been too.
"There must be something about sentry drones interaction in highsec , concord, and PVP", therefore there must be something wrong.
I can fly ships that the requirements say I shouldn't be able to fly, and I can't figure out the self-explanatory primary, secondary, tertiary requirements.
Are you sure this is the game for you?
Lets see.
1. Misquote poster several time on some key points. 2. Maintain the vernacular as if they're direct quotes from OP. 3. Berate OP.
That's like so '90's mmorpg.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
922
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Posted - 2014.03.08 16:06:00 -
[46] - Quote
Zabrina wrote:Nah, I'm not ignorant of it, I'm rather pragmatic about. AFK hauling happens. Yea I'm going to alt tab out to research new game stuff and switch from between 3 active toons
So I'll get a macro bot that will automatically warp me to zero, jump, align, and warp to 0 to the next gate, repeat repeat repeat.
Priceless. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19865
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Posted - 2014.03.08 16:12:00 -
[47] - Quote
Zabrina wrote:Nah, I'm not ignorant of it, I'm rather pragmatic about. [GǪ]
So I'll get a macro bot that will automatically warp me to zero, jump, align, and warp to 0 to the next gate, repeat repeat repeat. That's not being pragmatic. That's being defeatist. If that's the way you're going and thereby intend to be stopped from playing the game, can I have your stuff? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
2286
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Posted - 2014.03.08 16:22:00 -
[48] - Quote
I too would like some of your stuffs before you get yourself banned for botting instead of just actually playing the game. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14019
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Posted - 2014.03.08 16:35:00 -
[49] - Quote
Zabrina wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Zabrina wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Looked at your km. Your attacker is an obvious ganker with many ships lost to CONCORD. I'm sure this one was as well. Your mistake is thinking CONCORD is there to protect you. They aren't. Like the RL cops, they show up, eventually, to punish the bad guy, not save you. They even right a nice report for you and send it to the killboards. No, I understand concord is not there to protect me. There must be something about sentry drones interaction in highsec , concord, and PVP. I just remember the day I smartbombed somebody out during a mission and got punished in no time flat. This one was rather sad as I never saw Concord. Just my hull melt. You're bound and determined to remain ignorant of this, aren't you? You were in a 0.5 system in a negative tanked ship. I could kill you and pod you in a 4 week old alt before CONCORD got there, this guy probably had time to smoke a cigarette and kill somebody else. Nah, I'm not ignorant of it, I'm rather pragmatic about. AFK hauling happens. Yea I'm going to alt tab out to research new game stuff and switch from between 3 active toons So I'll get a macro bot that will automatically warp me to zero, jump, align, and warp to 0 to the next gate, repeat repeat repeat.
CCP can easily detect those bots, and you're liable to get a 30-day or even a permanent ban for using them.
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
792
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Posted - 2014.03.08 16:39:00 -
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Hi guys, I have a story:
Once upon a time, I was drunk at mardi gras, and I really needed to ****, so depite the heavy police presence I whipped it out right there and started going. It was about two seconds in that I felt a hand clap on my shoulder, and in 30 more seconds I was walking away with a $200 citation.
Then this other (once upon a) time just the other day, I was travelling in South Africa (Johannesburg), driving my gold-plated Mercedes-Benz. I only had about three hundred clearly-visible $10,000 bundles (U.S. Currency) sitting on the back seat. I stopped at a light and decided to avail myself of the local street-meat, so I stepped out of my gold-plated luxury automobile and left it, doors unlocked, to chow down on what was undoubtedly a mix of rat and feral dog (pretty good actually). I turned around 15 minutes later, and my car was gone! I mean, where are the police?
The police were there to give me a ticket for public urination at mardi gras, so I don't understand why they weren't immediately able to save my car. Isn't that why the police exist? To protect me from my own stupidity?
Wow, I'm getting bad at writing these sarcastic stories... Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10295
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Posted - 2014.03.08 16:59:00 -
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Zabrina wrote:Nah, I'm not ignorant of it, I'm rather pragmatic about. AFK hauling happens. Yea I'm going to alt tab out to research new game stuff and switch from between 3 active toons
So I'll get a macro bot that will automatically warp me to zero, jump, align, and warp to 0 to the next gate, repeat repeat repeat.
yes do this if you want to get a hefty ban, along with possible asset/ISK removal and a permanent flag on your account that prevents you from transferring any characters from it
especially while talking about how you're planning to violate the EULA on the goddamn eve forums Twitter: @EVEAndski
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KnowUsByTheDead
CD Industries
1018
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Posted - 2014.03.08 16:59:00 -
[52] - Quote
Andski wrote:why? because 1) you can and 2) the guy doing the hauling for you knows what he's doing otherwise he wouldn't be paying a billion in collateral to make a couple million
Not empty quoting.
Once you hit a certain isk ceiling, it is merely good business to pay others to do it.
Use Red Frog.
They are your friends.
They are like space-FedEx.
Or if they are insignificant hauls....
Get a team together...
And do the obvious...
Gank industrials.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10295
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:07:00 -
[53] - Quote
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Not empty quoting. Once you hit a certain isk ceiling, it is merely good business to pay others to do it. Use Red Frog. They are your friends. They are like space-FedEx. Or if they are insignificant hauls.... Get a team together... And do the obvious... Gank industrials.
I prefer PushX because I regularly set up dozens of freighter-sized courier contracts and they have lower rates across the board. The difference is in the lack of a pickup fee, and PushX charges less for lower-volume contracts, but they are a bit slower. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Tetsuo Tsukaya
Doom Generation THE H0NEYBADGER
303
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:15:00 -
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You can haul stuff a little bit more safely if you make use of an Iteron with a cloak and MWD and do the MWD trick. It's as reliable as a blockade runner and was my primary way of hauling things before the warp speed changes. IMO it makes a lot more sense to do things this way as opposed to actually trying to tank a t1 Indy |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1266
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:33:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Hi guys, I have a story:
Once upon a time, I was drunk at mardi gras, and I really needed to ****, so depite the heavy police presence I whipped it out right there and started going. It was about two seconds in that I felt a hand clap on my shoulder, and in 30 more seconds I was walking away with a $200 citation. ....
Wow, I'm getting bad at writing these sarcastic stories...
I liked your story. I really got into it. Especially the rat meat. And remember what Ted Nugent says, "When in doubt, I whip it out." Of course, he meant his rock -n- roll band and not his wiener. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
Zabrina
Half Moon Bay Ventures
4
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:43:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Zabrina wrote:Nah, I'm not ignorant of it, I'm rather pragmatic about. [GǪ]
So I'll get a macro bot that will automatically warp me to zero, jump, align, and warp to 0 to the next gate, repeat repeat repeat. That's not being pragmatic. That's being defeatist. If that's the way you're going and thereby intend to be stopped from playing the game, can I have your stuff?
No, but you can have my velator with 1 trit in the hold. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2608
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Posted - 2014.03.08 18:26:00 -
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Zabrina wrote:Nah, I'm not ignorant of it, I'm rather pragmatic about. AFK hauling happens. Yea I'm going to alt tab out to research new game stuff and switch from between 3 active toons
So I'll get a macro bot that will automatically warp me to zero, jump, align, and warp to 0 to the next gate, repeat repeat repeat. As people have explained several times, your fit was asking to be ganked. Since you were supposedly AFK hauling its no surprise you didn't see it happen. Concord response time vary, but if he ganked you with no circumstances that make it legal, even using sentries, concord would kill him.
Now you can either suck it up, learn from it and move on, or you can log off and never come back. Spouting off on the forum, telling everyone else that they simply don't understand, demanding some kind of change to protect you, or worst of all stating that you will use EULA violating methods to avoid is it going to get you nowhere. At best, you've just painted an enormous target on yourself. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Zabrina
Half Moon Bay Ventures
4
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Posted - 2014.03.08 18:58:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Zabrina wrote:Nah, I'm not ignorant of it, I'm rather pragmatic about. AFK hauling happens. Yea I'm going to alt tab out to research new game stuff and switch from between 3 active toons
So I'll get a macro bot that will automatically warp me to zero, jump, align, and warp to 0 to the next gate, repeat repeat repeat. As people have explained several times, your fit was asking to be ganked. Since you were supposedly AFK hauling its no surprise you didn't see it happen. Concord response time vary, but if he ganked you with no circumstances that make it legal, even using sentries, concord would kill him. Now you can either suck it up, learn from it and move on, or you can log off and never come back. Spouting off on the forum, telling everyone else that they simply don't understand, demanding some kind of change to protect you, or worst of all stating that you will use EULA violating methods to avoid is it going to get you nowhere. At best, you've just painted an enormous target on yourself.
Chill people. This is my 'I'm baaaaaak' post. Don't be so serious. It's just a game. I got no pleasure from having my hauler shot while afk hauling in hi-sec. But this thread and the responses are reaching even equity on what I lost.
Eve is about having fun any way you can and there are many many ways to have fun. Just don't get caught |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
10690
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Posted - 2014.03.08 19:21:00 -
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Its threads like these that make me continue to camp trade hub pipe routes. Remember to send your ganker some lovely hate mail. We love adding it to our collection.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1120
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Posted - 2014.03.08 19:26:00 -
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You've been back a week, did you bother to read up on any of the many changes?
CCP: "We know what's best for the game, so you can't have any options....." |
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