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Sher Rayet
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.08 18:48:00 -
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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 -
Since Saturday/Sunday there is a missing Boeing Jetliner with 239 passengers. My condolences to the families and the missing.
What do you think about this? After reading the various media reports it sounds like there was no effort in search and rescue, just a recovery effort assuming it crashed in the ocean. The pilots were veteran / highly experienced, and the 777 can travel on one engine if the other fails.
Makes me more nervous about flying and international flights, I'm not too fond of planes. |
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
5955
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Posted - 2014.03.08 18:54:00 -
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because aliens.
but seriously, yeah flying makes me a little nervous too. I was never on a plane until I was 19. the raw power of take off nearly gave me a heart attack. but I suppose with any machine with a million moving parts flying through the sky at 600 miles per hour...there are inherent risks. |
Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
59719
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Posted - 2014.03.08 19:24:00 -
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Sad news. I feel sorry for the families.
Fear of flying is a rather odd thing. Statistically it is safer to fly than drive. Yet the human mind is not able to properly coprehend that in many cases.
To put things in perspective. What is most scary?
A: Flying in a machine that is carefuly checked and tested each day with experianced and trained crew who do it for living. While each aircraft being coordinated with experianced flight controllers. Everythign is heavily regulated with rules and violating these rules can give large consequences.
B: Driving in a car that haven't been checked for several years. You have no idea if the brakes even work before you actually need them. Some people only drives a few times a month (including me) thus are out of trainging. All this happens in really limited space. Seriously, you have 2 objects moving towards each other each with a velocity up to and above 100km/hr (60mph) and the only thing the seperates them is a little dotted line in the middle. The roads can be full of idiots who do drunk driving and speeding, as the respect for laws and safety is much lower compared to aviation.
As a person who has a flight license it is easy for me to be rationalize this, but I do understand why some people fear flying. The human mind is really full of flaws. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Commissar Kate
Team Evil
52047
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Posted - 2014.03.08 19:28:00 -
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Sounds like they found multiple oil slicks on the surface of the ocean several miles apart. That mean the plane probably broke up in the sky.
I'm thinking.....
1. It was bombed. 2. Catastrophic structural failure due to a fault in the airframe or extreme maneuvering. 3. Something caused the fuel to burn/explode. *Tinfoil hat mode* It was shot down.....
If they find the blackbox we might find out what happened.
Still safer than driving.... People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
5958
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Posted - 2014.03.08 19:39:00 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:Sounds like they found multiple oil slicks on the surface of the ocean several miles apart. That mean the plane probably broke up in the sky.
I'm thinking.....
1. It was bombed. 2. Catastrophic structural failure due to a fault in the airframe or extreme maneuvering. 3. Something caused the fuel to burn/explode. *Tinfoil hat mode* It was shot down.....
or aliens.
and mizzy, I think it has more to do that if you get in a wreck you have a pretty good chance of making it out alive. especially if you are buckled up and have air bags. that's not so when you slam in the ground at 100's of mph and explode in flames =p. though the chances of an accident are certainly much, much lower in an aircraft...chances of survival in the case of one are remote lol |
Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
59728
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Posted - 2014.03.08 19:53:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:Commissar Kate wrote:Sounds like they found multiple oil slicks on the surface of the ocean several miles apart. That mean the plane probably broke up in the sky.
I'm thinking.....
1. It was bombed. 2. Catastrophic structural failure due to a fault in the airframe or extreme maneuvering. 3. Something caused the fuel to burn/explode. *Tinfoil hat mode* It was shot down..... or aliens. and mizzy, I think it has more to do that if you get in a wreck you have a pretty good chance of making it out alive. especially if you are buckled up and have air bags. that's not so when you slam in the ground at 100's of mph and explode in flames =p. though the chances of an accident are certainly much, much lower in an aircraft...chances of survival in the case of one are remote lol
If i remember correctly, then the numbers were deaths and not accidents. So there is a lower chance of dying while flying than when dying. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Commissar Kate
Team Evil
52056
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Posted - 2014.03.08 19:56:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:If i remember correctly, then the numbers were deaths and not accidents. So there is a lower chance of dying while flying than when dying.
I think the chance of dying while your dying is 100% People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110513
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Posted - 2014.03.08 20:41:00 -
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Sher Rayet wrote: After reading the various media reports it sounds like there was no effort in search and rescue, just a recovery effort assuming it crashed in the ocean.
What on Earth made you type that nonsense ?
4 countries have a huge international operation going. This went down almost 24 hours ago and the new news has not stopped yet as they find more and more evidence.
And brilliant work in determining that 2 passports used to possibly board the plane (or actually not) are old stolen passports that were somehow revalidated within the system.
There is an issue going on looks like, that's bigger than just this one crash.
And "assuming it crashed in the ocean".....where do you think those 2 giant oil slicks came from ? Shamu the Whale's sunscreen bottle ??? "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
5962
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Posted - 2014.03.08 21:28:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:Eurydia Vespasian wrote:Commissar Kate wrote:Sounds like they found multiple oil slicks on the surface of the ocean several miles apart. That mean the plane probably broke up in the sky.
I'm thinking.....
1. It was bombed. 2. Catastrophic structural failure due to a fault in the airframe or extreme maneuvering. 3. Something caused the fuel to burn/explode. *Tinfoil hat mode* It was shot down..... or aliens. and mizzy, I think it has more to do that if you get in a wreck you have a pretty good chance of making it out alive. especially if you are buckled up and have air bags. that's not so when you slam in the ground at 100's of mph and explode in flames =p. though the chances of an accident are certainly much, much lower in an aircraft...chances of survival in the case of one are remote lol If i remember correctly, then the numbers were deaths and not accidents. So there is a lower chance of dying while flying than when dying.
that doesn't surprise me either given the stats. i mean there are thousands of automobile accidents a day a few of which result in fatalities. planes go down very rarely by comparison. the auto deaths add up daily. where the airplane deaths only get new "additions" every so often.
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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8645
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Posted - 2014.03.08 21:35:00 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:Sounds like they found multiple oil slicks on the surface of the ocean several miles apart. That mean the plane probably broke up in the sky.
I'm thinking.....
1. It was bombed. 2. Catastrophic structural failure due to a fault in the airframe or extreme maneuvering. 3. Something caused the fuel to burn/explode. *Tinfoil hat mode* It was shot down.....
If they find the blackbox we might find out what happened.
Still safer than driving.... I heard a report that two people were listed as being on that flight, who are very much alive, did not board the flight, and reported their passports stolen a week or so ago. Makes me think it's related to the Uyghur stuff going on in China: http://www.asianweek.com/2014/03/07/uyghur-jihad-for-freedom-or-chinas-911/ If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110513
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Posted - 2014.03.08 22:02:00 -
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Ila Dace wrote:Commissar Kate wrote:Sounds like they found multiple oil slicks on the surface of the ocean several miles apart. That mean the plane probably broke up in the sky.
I'm thinking.....
1. It was bombed. 2. Catastrophic structural failure due to a fault in the airframe or extreme maneuvering. 3. Something caused the fuel to burn/explode. *Tinfoil hat mode* It was shot down.....
If they find the blackbox we might find out what happened.
Still safer than driving.... I heard a report that two people were listed as being on that flight, who are very much alive, did not board the flight, and reported their passports stolen a week or so ago. Makes me think it's related to the Uyghur stuff going on in China: http://www.asianweek.com/2014/03/07/uyghur-jihad-for-freedom-or-chinas-911/
This says both passports were stolen around 2 years ago in Thailand at a car rental agency (left passports as deposits for cars, both passports were missing upon car return). http://www.sfgate.com/news/world/article/2-on-missing-Malaysia-jet-used-stolen-EU-passports-5299597.php
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8647
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Posted - 2014.03.08 22:07:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Ila Dace wrote:Commissar Kate wrote:Sounds like they found multiple oil slicks on the surface of the ocean several miles apart. That mean the plane probably broke up in the sky.
I'm thinking.....
1. It was bombed. 2. Catastrophic structural failure due to a fault in the airframe or extreme maneuvering. 3. Something caused the fuel to burn/explode. *Tinfoil hat mode* It was shot down.....
If they find the blackbox we might find out what happened.
Still safer than driving.... I heard a report that two people were listed as being on that flight, who are very much alive, did not board the flight, and reported their passports stolen a week or so ago. Makes me think it's related to the Uyghur stuff going on in China: http://www.asianweek.com/2014/03/07/uyghur-jihad-for-freedom-or-chinas-911/ This says both passports were stolen around 2 years ago in Thailand at a car rental agency (left passports as deposits for cars, both passports were missing upon car return). http://www.sfgate.com/news/world/article/2-on-missing-Malaysia-jet-used-stolen-EU-passports-5299597.php
Good to know. If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters
3684
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Posted - 2014.03.08 22:30:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:Sad news. I feel sorry for the families.
Fear of flying is a rather odd thing. Statistically it is safer to fly than drive. Yet the human mind is not able to properly coprehend that in many cases.
To put things in perspective. What is most scary?
A: Flying in a machine that is carefuly checked and tested each day with experianced and trained crew who do it for living. While each aircraft being coordinated with experianced flight controllers. Everythign is heavily regulated with rules and violating these rules can give large consequences.
B: Driving in a car that haven't been checked for several years. You have no idea if the brakes even work before you actually need them. Some people only drives a few times a month (including me) thus are out of trainging. All this happens in really limited space. Seriously, you have 2 objects moving towards each other each with a velocity up to and above 100km/hr (60mph) and the only thing the seperates them is a little dotted line in the middle. The roads can be full of idiots who do drunk driving and speeding, as the respect for laws and safety is much lower compared to aviation.
As a person who has a flight license it is easy for me to be rationalize this, but I do understand why some people fear flying. The human mind is really full of flaws. I hate flying
I think relevant to your point 'B'. As a former mechanic I'm not only familiar with how lazy some technicians are but how it can be easy to overlook problems at times (only human - regardless of training). And second I'm used to seeing "one in a million chance" things happening to machines every-single-day.
Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) Just an innocent explorer!-á pâä | -áWormhole Sisters of EVE Herrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Commissar Kate
Team Evil
52069
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Posted - 2014.03.08 22:43:00 -
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All you haters makes me want to go ride with my uncle next time he flies. People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
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Tetsel
Heretic Army Heretic Initiative
115
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Posted - 2014.03.09 00:28:00 -
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The point is not that there is less death/year by flying rather than driving, is the death per accident ratio. When your car go full ****** what are your chance to death. I love flying, and use local airlines a lot, but each time it take off, I always say to myself: "if something goes wrong, you're ******", I don't think like that when I get into my car. Loyal servent to Mother Amamake. @EVE_Tetsel |
Just Lilly
148
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Posted - 2014.03.09 03:36:00 -
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2 unidentified guys with fake/stolen passports, board the plane.
Shortly after take-off, the plane goes missing
No mayday were sent from the plane
200 people with cellphones, none were able to make a single call out
The plane was 10.000 feet in the air, it takes quite some time to reach the ground
Was it little green men? Was it a bomb? A fuel accident? Powered by Nvidia GTX 690 |
Sodium Canine
Rubber Assh0les
39
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Posted - 2014.03.09 04:15:00 -
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Here are things I know for sure:
1. A plane is missing
2. It went missing thousands of miles from where I live, so I can't possibly know anything else about it.
3. The families of the people on the plane are going through a pretty rough time right now.
4. Despite being no where near the events being discussed, involved in the situation, or even having a working knowledge of aircrafts, traffic control procedures, or internationally coordinated search and rescue missions, a large number of anonymous internet user will post various rumors, "facts", and conspiracy theories about what happened, and after spinning each other up for a week or two, will start forming "truther" societies to spew forth whatever frenzy they worked themselves into, in complete disregard to the suffering and dignity of the families of the people actually involved.
Other than that, I don't really know anything...
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Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
291
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Posted - 2014.03.09 04:27:00 -
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Just Lilly wrote:200 people with cellphones, none were able to make a single call out
Is there cellphone coverage over the water where the plane went down ? |
MutnantRebel
Shamrock a knock Inc.
64
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Posted - 2014.03.09 08:08:00 -
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Sad news for the plane going down. I don't want to imagine my wife or kids being lost in such a way....
Be it the plane was shot down, structural failure, or scammed, jammed, and popped by aliens is something that'd be nice to know. Maybe it'll help at least bring closure to the families of the lost.
I don't fly. I flew to Oklahoma a few years back from Seattle with my wife. We were on our way to see my mom, who'd just attempted (and damn near succeeded) suicide. I was awfully sure I was getting there to bury her. Layover in Houston and the checkpoint security (TSA) had a muslim woman in the next line over. I heard her say it was "Against her religion to be checked by security" and they let her waltz through easy peasy. I was wearing a hat my wife got me when I got home from Iraq that had a Combat Infantryman's Badge on the front and stated I was an OIF Veteran. Well, I was treated to the full meal deal. Metal detector, pat down, then naked scanner. There was a man behind me that said rather conspicuously (for crying out loud! He's a VETERAN, why is HE treated like a criminal?" which earned him a trip with police to someplace else. On that day, I decided never again will I give an airline my money. They support that crap by allowing it. They don't have to...
But that's besides the point. No, it's not. if they'd put as much effort into aircraft quality which = safety maybe there wouldn't be oil slicks in the ocean by Malaysia.... NO I will not take your sister for payment! I'm married to one sister already! |
MutnantRebel
Shamrock a knock Inc.
64
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Posted - 2014.03.09 08:14:00 -
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Let me say here in addition to my above post... I don't care what someone's religion or anything else about them is. If you're in the United States as a Citizen, you're American and deserve to be treated with respect (well, everyone does do they not? Doesn't matter where they live, what country they come from). I'm a firm believer in all mankind were created equal, and that just because someone shooting at me their whole country/religion/whatever isn't doing so and so my enemy is no more my enemy when my war is over. Holding hate in my heart only makes me a small man. But if you're TSA, you're inferior to all LOL. Sorry, I've no respect for someone that gropes children as if they're mere pieces of meat. NO I will not take your sister for payment! I'm married to one sister already! |
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Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
59799
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Posted - 2014.03.09 10:51:00 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:Mizhir wrote:If i remember correctly, then the numbers were deaths and not accidents. So there is a lower chance of dying while flying than when dying. I think the chance of dying while your dying is 100%
Fine .... fixed. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Aspalis
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
56
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Posted - 2014.03.09 11:03:00 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:Mizhir wrote:If i remember correctly, then the numbers were deaths and not accidents. So there is a lower chance of dying while flying than when dying. I think the chance of dying while your dying is 100%
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110516
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Posted - 2014.03.09 12:55:00 -
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MutnantRebel wrote:Sad news for the plane going down. I don't want to imagine my wife or kids being lost in such a way....
Be it the plane was shot down, structural failure, or scammed, jammed, and popped by aliens is something that'd be nice to know. Maybe it'll help at least bring closure to the families of the lost.
I don't fly. I flew to Oklahoma a few years back from Seattle with my wife. We were on our way to see my mom, who'd just attempted (and damn near succeeded) suicide. I was awfully sure I was getting there to bury her. Layover in Houston and the checkpoint security (TSA) had a muslim woman in the next line over. I heard her say it was "Against her religion to be checked by security" and they let her waltz through easy peasy. I was wearing a hat my wife got me when I got home from Iraq that had a Combat Infantryman's Badge on the front and stated I was an OIF Veteran. Well, I was treated to the full meal deal. Metal detector, pat down, then naked scanner. There was a man behind me that said rather conspicuously (for crying out loud! He's a VETERAN, why is HE treated like a criminal?" which earned him a trip with police to someplace else. On that day, I decided never again will I give an airline my money. They support that crap by allowing it. They don't have to...
But that's besides the point. No, it's not. if they'd put as much effort into aircraft quality which = safety maybe there wouldn't be oil slicks in the ocean by Malaysia....
Sorry, but everyone must absolutely be searched in at least some way. How else can they possibly find those trying to cause a "disruption" ?
Would you rather them just "guess" or something ??
The 9/11 pilots were all very nice men in uniforms and apparently very excellent pilots nobody would have ever expected.
Also, I can't believe an American soldier is whining about being inconvenienced and being "singled out". Really ??? And mistreated so badly when not even in a POW camp ? Get real.
Also, it's easy to obtain uniforms and medals (especially if one is a religious fanatic and is willing to use questionable methods to do so). Just because you are in an American uniform does not mean you are authentic at all. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110516
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Posted - 2014.03.09 12:59:00 -
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Just Lilly wrote:
Was it little green men? Was it a bomb? A fuel accident?
Welp, we probably won't know for awhile. When that Air France flight went down similarly, it took 2 full years to find even a scrap of metal. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
292
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Posted - 2014.03.10 06:08:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Sorry, but everyone must absolutely be searched in at least some way. How else can they possibly find those trying to cause a "disruption" ?
Would you rather them just "guess" or something ?? I'd rather they do something that actually worked. Which means, at the very least, hiring competent people. Not people who think that saying GÇ£We saw Bitcoin in your bag and need to check.GÇ¥ does anything but make them look like a bunch of lying morons.
On that note, what attacks has the TSA stopped with their searches ? |
Sodium Canine
Rubber Assh0les
39
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Posted - 2014.03.10 06:44:00 -
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They do keep us safe from the Jewish terrorist threat |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110516
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Posted - 2014.03.10 13:56:00 -
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Hesod Adee wrote:
On that note, what attacks has the TSA stopped with their searches ?
Dumbest rhetorical question in the world.
If they stop someone legitimately, thus preventing an act, then the act never occurs, so even the TSA can't know specifically what was to happen, unless the suspect tells.
One can't gather "statistics" for events that never occurred to fruition because of being halted mid-operation. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2847
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Posted - 2014.03.10 14:13:00 -
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I flew Malaysia Airlines once. After we'd all boarded, there was a three-hour delay while they did maintenance on the 747's brakes. The pilot announced, "We apologize for the delay, but please don't complain, it's for your own safety after all." Malaysia Airlines was notorious for those kinds of delays for maintenance, loading fuel, etc. back then (in the 90s). They might be better now though. Also, the in-flight food and service was really great. |
Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
1506
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Posted - 2014.03.10 14:20:00 -
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Using statistics comparing two massively different forms of transport means nothing! Variables people. Let's compare statistics of people who survive car crashes vs people who survive airplane crashes, that will paint a different picture. Also you are in control of your own car, driver skill and car manufacturer play massive rolls.
Also in the UK cars are checked once a year... Idk where people live that they service there car every 7 years?
I used to love flying but in my early 20's had some rough experiences flying to and from the Caribbean! Now I have to pop Valium to fly lol. |
Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
292
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Posted - 2014.03.10 22:38:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Hesod Adee wrote:
On that note, what attacks has the TSA stopped with their searches ?
Dumbest rhetorical question in the world. If they stop someone legitimately, thus preventing an act, then the act never occurs, so even the TSA can't know specifically what was to happen, unless the suspect tells. One can't gather "statistics" for events that never occurred to fruition because of being halted mid-operation. You can still gather statistics. Convictions and confiscated weapons are two that come to mind. But I'm not aware on any information on convictions that the TSA helped with and their statistics on 'weapons' includes things like nail clippers in the total count, making the numbers useless.
So where are these statistics to show that the TSA is anything more than a bunch of morons trying to defend against attacks that nobody is attempting ? |
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