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BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck
Mongoloid Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.09 14:13:00 -
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I live in a WH, and my corpmates and I have always wondered why there are so many POS's in highsec. The only possible reason I can think of is possibly reactions, but really? Wouldn't POS fuel be extremely expensive for people who live on highsec income? Why bother with one at all if you have stations! |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1272
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Posted - 2014.03.09 14:27:00 -
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Research. The NPC ME and Copy lines have weeks to month delays, so for anyone doing serious BP research or invention a POS is almost essential. As for the cost, anyone doing serious enough research or invention to need a POS is going to find the fuel cost for a POS a trivial expense.
Reactions can't be done in highsec. 0.3 and below. |
BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck
Mongoloid Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.09 14:36:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Research. The NPC ME and Copy lines have weeks to month delays, so for anyone doing serious BP research or invention a POS is almost essential. As for the cost, anyone doing serious enough research or invention to need a POS is going to find the fuel cost for a POS a trivial expense.
Reactions can't be done in highsec. 0.3 and below.
I see that many if not most POSs in High have no labatories though :X
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110516
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Posted - 2014.03.09 14:41:00 -
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BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote: Wouldn't POS fuel be extremely expensive for people who live on highsec income?
No problem at all with the 5 Bill ISK a month I make in high sec. Without really playing all that much actually.
I make my own POS fuel. In fact I sell it. Which is where that ISK comes from.
And....posting in a Nerf High Sec stealth thread indeed. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1273
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Posted - 2014.03.09 14:41:00 -
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Offline POS? They may just be there to hold a moon. Otherwise some use POS for manufacturing for the decreased time. Rare to not see a single lab though.
Last time I surveyed a system near where I live, every single active POS had at least one mobile lab, most had multiple |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110516
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Posted - 2014.03.09 14:44:00 -
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BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote:Elena Thiesant wrote:Research. The NPC ME and Copy lines have weeks to month delays, so for anyone doing serious BP research or invention a POS is almost essential. As for the cost, anyone doing serious enough research or invention to need a POS is going to find the fuel cost for a POS a trivial expense.
Reactions can't be done in highsec. 0.3 and below. I see that many if not most POSs in High have no labatories though :X
Casual, random observations of matters within EVE does not mean anything at all. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck
Mongoloid Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.09 14:51:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote:Elena Thiesant wrote:Research. The NPC ME and Copy lines have weeks to month delays, so for anyone doing serious BP research or invention a POS is almost essential. As for the cost, anyone doing serious enough research or invention to need a POS is going to find the fuel cost for a POS a trivial expense.
Reactions can't be done in highsec. 0.3 and below. I see that many if not most POSs in High have no labatories though :X Casual, random observations of matters within EVE does not mean anything at all.
I am sorry mr. I rarely see the light of (highsec) so my 'casual' observations is what I go off of :( |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
2804
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Posted - 2014.03.09 16:15:00 -
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Assembly arrays have a 33% boost to the number of modules your produce (it's a 0.75 time multiplier. works out to being 33% faster)
It really doesn't take much to absorb the price of the POS fuel in production. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4236322 http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
140
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Posted - 2014.03.09 23:19:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Assembly arrays have a 33% boost to the number of modules your produce (it's a 0.75 time multiplier. works out to being 33% faster)
It really doesn't take much to absorb the price of the POS fuel in production.
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Can't rate this man up enough, not least of because he's right and is very helpful to the community. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
1020
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Posted - 2014.03.10 05:01:00 -
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BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote:
I see that many if not most POSs in High have no labatories though :X
Many POSes in highsec are the sad reminders of a corp with big ambitions who has fallen due to boredom or RL.
Active hisec POSes tend to have labs or for the more clever ones, assembly arrays.
Vote for Fuzzy Steve! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4236322
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Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
186
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Posted - 2014.03.10 10:55:00 -
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POSs in highsec are used extensively for T2 Production, as like mentioned, the copy slots that are essential for invention are usually swelled with queues.
Plus depending on the system, having reliable manufacturing slots in station isn't always possible either. I used to build in station until it seemed like every other day the station slots were filled. So many people use assembly arrays for their speed and dedicated slots.
Others use POSs just for me/pe research, or do a mixture of both.
In any case, though POSs can generate even more isk in lowsec/nullsec/wh space they are by no means useless in highsec. I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart. |
Marcus Iunius Brutus
NerdRage Inc.
19
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Posted - 2014.03.10 16:03:00 -
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I use a POS in my alt corp for: - T2 invention (copy & invention slots), - T1 manufacturing (faster production), - ME & PE research on BPOs.
It pays for itself easily. |
Jason Station
Rogain Industries
1
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Posted - 2014.03.11 01:18:00 -
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A small POS costs about 4 million isk a day. There are times where it is just handy to setup shop without fighting with finding a station (like mining ops in Kador region where a lot of systems lack stations). The only 'hard part' is getting the standings. |
Mxxpower
Equity Nuclear
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Posted - 2014.03.11 03:09:00 -
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BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote:I live in a WH, and my corpmates and I have always wondered why there are so many POS's in highsec. The only possible reason I can think of is possibly reactions and research, but really? Wouldn't POS fuel be extremely expensive for people who live on highsec income? Why bother with one at all if you have stations!
People who live on hisec income??????
You say that as if hi-sec is the food stamp trailer park of EVE.
Let me just be clear here when I say, there is more isk in high sec relative to risk and effort, than anywhere else in the game. A POS magnifies this by quite a bit.
A good trader alt will bring in 2-300 million isk a day and they don't even leave the station. |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
415
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Posted - 2014.03.11 06:29:00 -
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BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote:I live in a WH, and my corpmates and I have always wondered why there are so many POS's in highsec. The only possible reason I can think of is possibly reactions and research, but really? Wouldn't POS fuel be extremely expensive for people who live on highsec income? Why bother with one at all if you have stations!
Cant do reactions in .4 or higher systems.
Do you really want to reasearch several billion isk worth of blueprints in a WH where all the BPO's are destroyed?
Researching a carrier BPO takes 2 - 6 months time. You want 6+ months of a chance to lose several billions worth of blueprints because they are not in a station?
Quote:Wouldn't POS fuel be extremely expensive for people who live on highsec income? Why bother with one at all if you have stations
30 ME slots per large caldari tower. 90M isk average profit per tower = 2.7B isk/month research profit. -500M isk in fuel is 2.2B isk per month not counting PE or copy slots. So no it is not expensive at all.
You obviously have a misconception of what high-sec profits are for some people. |
Selaria Unbertable
POS Mortem Renegades Of Silence
33
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Posted - 2014.03.11 13:23:00 -
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Currently about 15.000 ISK per fuel block. 40 Fuel blocks per hour for a large tower (36/32 for faction towers). That's 600.000 ISK per hour, which can be easily compensated with 1 or 2 manufacturing lines running 24/7, if you chose the right stuff to build. Which leaves 8-9 manufacturing lines, if you do it only with one character (which is not quite profitable, a large POS can easily provide enough slots for 4 or 5 characters at all times, you just have to split your production and research to match your setup).
I've done the numbers before setting up my POS, and with currently 3 characters building almost 24/6 (I try to setup jobs so I can keep the slots busy, but I'm not always in the mood to login or have other things to do), and my wallet says, I'm doing pretty good.
And yeah, most online highsec POSes are mainly used for research, but adding some assembly arrays for the increased building speed can make it even more profitable.
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Eaphod
Divided Unity The Night Crew Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.11 20:27:00 -
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On industy alt, currently do invention and production in high sec. Easily cover the cost of the fuel 15x or more each month. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1887
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Posted - 2014.03.11 23:05:00 -
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BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote:Wouldn't POS fuel be extremely expensive for people who live on highsec income?
If you know what you're doing the cost is inconsequential. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2233
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Posted - 2014.03.12 23:12:00 -
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As someone that does not operate a POS in highsec but does quite a bit of production, I feel the limitations. (I **** too many people off to consider building a POS, however - the cost of having fun in EVE at other people's expense).
I have to outsource most of my ME research and some of my blueprint copying because tying up a science slot for 45 days to do a 30 day ME job (15 day wait times are the norm in lowsec, 30-50 in high), or tying one up for 8 days for a 4 day copy job (4 day wait times in lowsec, 15-20 in high) is seldom an efficient use of my science slots.
I also have to move BPOs around a significant amount as a result. I'm comfortable moving expensive items through lowsec in an Interceptor but I've had one or two unnerving close calls. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Alexander McKeon
The Suicide Express
40
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Posted - 2014.03.14 08:23:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I also have to move BPOs around a significant amount as a result. I'm comfortable moving expensive items through lowsec in an Interceptor but I've had one or two unnerving close calls. If you really want to move stuff safely through low-sec you can always brick-tank a cloaky Proteus and bridge it from system to system, or simply jump the black ops itself. So long as you check d-scan for combat probes before you light the covert cyno (in a safe of course), their odds of catching you are approximately nil. This method is a little more complex than just putting stuff into an inty, but ignores any and all gate camps / smartbombs. |
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Batelle
HOMELE55
2244
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Posted - 2014.03.14 14:35:00 -
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BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote:Wouldn't POS fuel be extremely expensive for people who live on highsec income? Why bother with one at all if you have stations!
Its really not that much. Consider someone who is running level 4's and lets (very) conservatively estimate their income at 50m/hour. Even then its less than 3 hours of PVE to fuel your small research pos for a month. Double that and you can do a medium tower with a generous layer of defense, enough labs for a full invention toon and a full research/copy toon, and enough manufacturing capacity to eliminate or greatly reduce your reliance on station manufacturing slots. Obviously you should be funding the pos with the value gained with the pos, but sometimes you're investing in bpo research or other stuff. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
150
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Posted - 2014.03.14 17:06:00 -
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I was asking myself the same question but with different reasoning.
HS POS cannot be considered safe. You can be wardecced and your pos reinforced easily. and your enemy can use BS/marauders. Only thing i can think of is easy accesibility.
If I would be using industrial/research pos i would rather place it in C1-HS wormhole system. No BS/marauders, nescessity for enemy to scan twice and go each time to different place, my own PI.
So whats the point of HS pos over C1 wormhole pos? |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1280
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Posted - 2014.03.14 17:30:00 -
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If someone blows your tower up, bye-bye BPOs. If someone blows a highsec tower up (which requires a 24 hour notice of intent), the BPOs are still safe in the station. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1232
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Posted - 2014.03.14 17:32:00 -
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the amount of stuff that needs to be moved in and out.
depending on what you produce it does not take long to get to the point where your bottleneck is transportation.
transport is annoying and i want to avoid it as often as possible. transport through wormholes is a sheer nightmare compared to the already bad situation a lot of industrials are in GRRR Goons |
Batelle
HOMELE55
2245
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Posted - 2014.03.14 18:17:00 -
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Oska Rus wrote:I was asking myself the same question but with different reasoning.
HS POS cannot be considered safe. You can be wardecced and your pos reinforced easily. and your enemy can use BS/marauders. Only thing i can think of is easy accesibility.
If I would be using industrial/research pos i would rather place it in C1-HS wormhole system. No BS/marauders, nescessity for enemy to scan twice and go each time to different place, my own PI.
So whats the point of HS pos over C1 wormhole pos?
uh.. lol.
if someone's going to attack your pos, you get an extra 24 hours to prepare billions of isk in blueprints is never at risk billions of isk in production mats are never at risk. You can't set up courier contracts to or from a wormhole. You don't have to leave a pos babysitter in the hole you can get away with a small pos in hs for cheap research med pos provides lots of capacity and can be well defended, rarely wardecced.
If you aren't otherwise living in a wormhole or doing PI in a wormhole or trying to do reactions, then setting up a pos to do invention, research, or production in a WH is pretty dumb. The general rule applies that anything that can be done in hisec is best done in hisec. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Buck Futz
New Order Logistics CODE.
170
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Posted - 2014.03.17 11:50:00 -
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They have excellent ganking and awoxing properties.
For a ridiculously low cost of a small POS burning cheapest fuel available:
- The forcefield gives -10 pods a safe place to hang out - without needing to dock up. This is especially useful while multiboxing due to 1 minute docking timers, etc. Gank, then return -10 pod to the forcefield immediately while looting, tear collecting, etc. Always fun to collect tears from would be 'whiteknights' who try to scan down your outlaw pod, only to run into a forcefield they are unwilling to man-up and wardec. Instead, they are reduced to crying in local for others to do it for them, while you continue to strike miners unmolested.
-Ready-built gankships can be left floating in forcefield without risk of being stolen in open space, to be boarded when a suitable target is located, either in a belt or on a gate. Nice to have a Brutix, a Tornado, a Smartbomb BS and a few Catalysts floating nearby, so the correct tool for the job is available in seconds, and an attack can be launched immediately without mucking about in a station. This also avoids issues that can arise from 3rd parties camping stations.
-Can be used by multiple like-minded parties outside of corporation, simply by sharing the shield PW.
-AWOXers who do not wish to be prematurely booted from their 'guest' corporation, can 'hang out' indefinitely AFK in a friendly POS forcefield without being forced to fly cloakable ships. This increases the tear yield, as they cannot be ejected from a corp until they are either logged off or docked up. Forcefields assist in this plan.
If the POS gets wardecced, you have many good options:
-Arm it and force a 'real' fight at a known time and place. Get kills. (win for gankers) -Let multiple chars waste their time killing it. Win for gankers, as multiple chars waste hours attacking a structure worth 60M, after being forced to pay wardec costs. Don't forget to fully stront, harden and ECM for max tears. -Remove it and replace, with plenty of time to spare. Empty ships floating in POS can be removed at any time, even after reinforcement.
A friendly highsec POS is a ganker's best friend.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
530
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Posted - 2014.03.17 17:55:00 -
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BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote:I live in a WH, and my corpmates and I have always wondered why there are so many POS's in highsec. The only possible reason I can think of is possibly reactions and research, but really? Wouldn't POS fuel be extremely expensive for people who live on highsec income? Why bother with one at all if you have stations! really? have you tried to get a research slot in high sec lately? which is cheaper paying for fuel or losing your BPO's trying to haul them to a lower sec pos? -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
202
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:35:00 -
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Styth spiting wrote: You obviously have a misconception of what high-sec profits are for some people.
I was going to say the same. |
Jonestu
Dr Zoidberg's Disciples
47
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Posted - 2014.03.18 11:31:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Styth spiting wrote: You obviously have a misconception of what high-sec profits are for some people.
I was going to say the same. I can only agree since I have a projected income of 1.4 billions per week with hisec mining. So to have a dedicated POS for research is just wonderful. Dubbed-áNot-A-Carebear by-áMalcolm Shinhwa A carebear's diary
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nercomonger
Interstellar buyers of unwanted stuff Shadows Of Redemption
0
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Posted - 2014.03.22 17:52:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:If someone blows your tower up, bye-bye BPOs. If someone blows a highsec tower up (which requires a 24 hour notice of intent), the BPOs are still safe in the station.
Two pages of posts, and nobody has corrected this statement.
You never need to put your bpo's in the pos.
You place your bpo's in a corp hanger, and lock them down. (so they are safe even from directors, can't be unlocked without a vote.)
You have the remote lab operation skill trained to lvl 1.
You use the labs in the pos, and the bpo never leaves station. Once your jobs are done, you fly to the pos and get your copies/invented bpc's or modules. |
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