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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.10 04:29:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Jessica Danikov wrote:Oh my god, a business is trying to make money! Hey genius, when your thing that you're defending can only be justified because it makes someone else more money, you don't look very smart. CCP isn't gonna give you a discount because you defended asinine moves to nickel and time its player base. Micro transactions aren't something you should be defending anyway. In no way does it actually serve you, and it just makes you look like some blowhard who gets erect for authority. Throwing a fit because of cosmetic MT's isn't terribly smart either. So long as they remain limited to things that are not providing gameplay advantages, what is the issue? Is there supposed to be some moralistic stance against MT in general?
And actually, there is a subset of players who benefit from every new use of plex or aurum. Those who buy plex from CCP to sell. |
S1euth
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
40
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Posted - 2014.03.10 04:50:00 -
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I don't see any alarm bells from a company trying to make money; it's what they do.
Glad to see they are seeking outside talent to lead this team. If they get any micro transactions from me then it will be because they are enjoyable and valuable. Hopefully, they succeed. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4414
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Posted - 2014.03.10 05:10:00 -
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ErrorRon wrote:I honestly couldn't care less if they throw in cosmetics and microtransactions. So long as they don't make it pay to win.
Yeah can everybody make sure there's no actual "pay to win" before we start the smell-like-underwear nerd raging? Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
515
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Posted - 2014.03.10 05:43:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:http://www.iceland.is/iceland-abroad/ca/work--live-in-iceland/residence-permit/
Serious candidates must be willing to pay the 12,000 isk application fee.
Did you read that? you can only apply for the permit /after/ you have a job. (and it's about 70 quid.) Yeah, was Googling to see if it was legal in Iceland to charge an application fee and saw that. Was just thinking it would be funny to have to pay money to apply for a job to help a company make money. That's just to keep the pretenders like yourself out. |
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
State War Academy Caldari State
515
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Posted - 2014.03.10 05:43:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:http://www.iceland.is/iceland-abroad/ca/work--live-in-iceland/residence-permit/
Serious candidates must be willing to pay the 12,000 isk application fee.
Did you read that? you can only apply for the permit /after/ you have a job. (and it's about 70 quid.) Yeah, was Googling to see if it was legal in Iceland to charge an application fee and saw that. Was just thinking it would be funny to have to pay money to apply for a job to help a company make money. That's just to keep the pretenders like yourself out. |
Sibyyl
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Posted - 2014.03.10 05:52:00 -
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I know everyone is focused on microtransactions and the NeX store, but monetization includes things like: -Game mechanics that encourage multiple accounts for those who don't prefer co-op play (cynos, orcas, manufacturing capitals) -Skill point based monetization (multiple character training, implants, skill books, training time that translates into subscription fees) -Some pay to win scenarios that might have community acceptance (character bazaar, buying plex)
Someone should probably manage how attractive these options are to players, instead of being caught flat footed by player reactions to Barney's pricing modeled monocles..
/Fÿ¡
Now that you are *campers* you will have more *parties* and no more *sad* *lonely* *bubbles*. |
Muestereate
Minions LLC
188
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Posted - 2014.03.10 05:53:00 -
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I've never resculpted my player since CCP forced me to. The last thing I am is fashion conscious in clothing or vehicles. If it gets destroyed while using it, all Im looking for is durability. The clothing lasts through poddings but don't we have to pay for resculpts? How about new pics, do they cost us too? transferring characters works for that customer segment. Another segment that works is plex for navy Ravens types of pilots. 1 Segment is isk rich and the 2nd is cash rich. What other segments have lose cash?
Well we have fanfest, local business could be charged for CCP to direct people to certain businesses. Might cause some family frictions in that small of a population but they have a lot of people trained in finance. As long as it doesn't look to much like banking, incentives for business look like advertising budget expenses. They will fly.
What other deep lose pockets can you think of? |
Cannibal Kane
My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse
3340
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Posted - 2014.03.10 05:57:00 -
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Once again the believe that EVE players are of a higher intellect then other MMO players is shattered.
Jumping to conclusions with limited info is what morons do... Stop that.
Think before you post. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. He flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. His hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. It was truly majestic. And while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off. Because I am like that." - NEONOVUS |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1693
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Posted - 2014.03.10 06:36:00 -
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Highsec pubbies can and will freak out about anything. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
270
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Posted - 2014.03.10 09:41:00 -
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I thought that this is what they already did when they made a pact with Satan hired someone from EA not too long ago? The sound of the Amarrian heart |
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Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
152
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Posted - 2014.03.10 10:24:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Jumping to conclusions with limited info is what morons do... Stop that.
Please tell me this post is a troll. People aren't that stupid. This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
128
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Posted - 2014.03.10 10:56:00 -
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Miriya Zakalwe wrote:There's other types of monetization besides microtransactions.
e.g. Macrotransactions.
P2-use macros.
I'm looking forward to being invited for the interview after this thorough application. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1773
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Posted - 2014.03.10 11:19:00 -
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Perhaps will result in some positive changes:
Monetization director "So you haven't added any real PVE content in EVE for how long?" CCP "10 years" Monetization director "and the majority of the good content is in 0.0 space?" CCP *nods* Monetization director "and the majority of your subscribers are in high sec and like PvE?" CCP *nods* Monetization director "And theres rampant ganking of the people in high sec who don't like PVP and no real counter?" CCP *nods* Monetization director "And they're your primary source of income?" CCP *nods* Monetization director "So why won't they go to where the good PVE is?" CCP *nods* Monetization director "..."
Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Ohemgee MyNameWontFi
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.03.10 11:28:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Jessica Danikov wrote:Oh my god, a business is trying to make money! Hey genius, when your thing that you're defending can only be justified because it makes someone else more money, you don't look very smart. CCP isn't gonna give you a discount because you defended asinine moves to nickel and time its player base. Micro transactions aren't something you should be defending anyway. In no way does it actually serve you, and it just makes you look like some blowhard who gets erect for authority.
lol dude, does a capsuleer wearing a pirate costume rustles your jimmies? Edit Signature |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
716
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Posted - 2014.03.10 11:32:00 -
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ErrorRon wrote:I honestly couldn't care less if they throw in cosmetics and microtransactions. So long as they don't make it pay to win.
Implying it isn't currently 100% pay to win? Not today spaghetti. |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
491
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Posted - 2014.03.10 11:38:00 -
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well, as ar as i i'm concerned, they can sell whatever they want for $$ as long as it doesn't give an advantage, I.E cloth, tattoes, ships skin etc.....
but whatever they sell, it shall not be affecting one's abilitys....or hell will be unleashed once again |
Ohemgee MyNameWontFi
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.03.10 11:51:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote: Implying it isn't currently 100% pay to win?
please elaborate. Edit Signature |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9127
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Posted - 2014.03.10 12:16:00 -
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You people are so ******* paranoid. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Ptraci
The Irukandji Ineluctable.
1798
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Posted - 2014.03.10 12:18:00 -
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Plug in Baby wrote:LinkageAnyone else hearing alarm bells?
I was hearing alarm bells the minute they announced they were hiring that guy from EA. Now I'm just deaf. There's nothing wrong with monetization if it's implemented in a way that doesn't destroy gameplay or the community. Sadly however corporations tend to get greedy and slaughter the golden goose looking for just one more egg. EVE Online is in a tight little niche - it always has been. While this is good because most of the hardcore player base loves this game more than life itself, it's also bad. Change the game too much and it doesn't take too many of us to walk, and CCP crashes and burns. They gleefully rate their code at $100 million US on the balance sheet, but that code is worth zero if no one plays it. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2675
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Posted - 2014.03.10 12:29:00 -
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Plug in Baby wrote:LinkageAnyone else hearing alarm bells? I know this could well be for Dust or something, but given how well that seems to be doing I doubt they can justify anyone else working on it, so we can probably assume this is Eve related. I thought Incarna proved we didn't want subscription + micro-transactions?
Nope. Not worried. Monetisation could mean anything. It could mean more merchandising, it could mean advertising, it could mean all sorts of things, and the job description seems to focus a lot on a requirement for quality, and pleasing gamers. It sets a bar, it doesn't just say "must be able to make as much money as possible and consequences be damned."
It doesn't specify any of CCP's products.
I actually read the whole thing, and I'm please with what I see. CCP is making a point that "monetization approaches [must be] based on quantitative and qualitative analyses". This tells me they know how to do their homework.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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Niec Mogul
Republic University Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2014.03.10 12:45:00 -
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I'm sure the overlords at CCP have looked over at things like World of Tanks, with its hojillion accounts, hundreds of thousands of active players, and that delectable cash-cow "freemium" model, and devs swimming in pools of cash behind their mansions built of cash bricks on top of Mt. Cash.
Then they look back at EVE, with it's ultra-slow-burn subscriber base and cadre of angry, bitter players that chase off new blood and wonder that if maybe, just maybe they changed gears, shed the 500,000 or so players they have now and picked up say, 1/20th of what World of Tanks managed (3,000,000 or so) they couldn't be living the good life somewhere in the Cash Foothills.
I wouldn't put it past them. Not that I'd like watching EVE get turned inside out, but I couldn't blame them either. I'd stay bitter though. That's to the core. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
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Posted - 2014.03.10 13:15:00 -
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Ohemgee MyNameWontFi wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote: Implying it isn't currently 100% pay to win?
please elaborate.
You can buy PLEX with real money and sell them for ISK.
There is nothing you can't do with enough ISK.
Buy a fleet of characters with supers and pay PL/N3 to do your bidding.
Game over you won EVE. Not today spaghetti. |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
79
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Posted - 2014.03.10 13:16:00 -
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I've been playing MMOs for about 13 years now, and they have been $15 a month as long as I can remember. I know when I first started it was a bit cheaper, but they've been $15 for at least 7 years now. What else hasn't gone up in price in 7 years? I'm sure CCP's costs have gone up, but they haven't raised the price of their product. Probably no MMO will unless and until Blizzard does it. More and more games going F2P with cash shops is going to make it difficult for anyone to raise their prices, so they have to make that money up somewhere else.
If CCP wants to sell costumes, paint jobs, or ship skins for IRL cash, I don't care, as long as the cash shop skins are just skins and not new, better hulls. If they *really* want to make money, they'd start selling skill resets and SP boosters lol.
Sexy Cakes wrote:ErrorRon wrote:I honestly couldn't care less if they throw in cosmetics and microtransactions. So long as they don't make it pay to win. Implying it isn't currently 100% pay to win?
Did you hear about the guy that bought a 44B RNI and promptly lost it? I don't think it's possible for this game to be truly P2W. If people start flying around in pay-to-win-mobiles like that guy thought he had, they'll get ganked...just like he did. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
376
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Posted - 2014.03.10 13:17:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Isn't DUST F2P P2W?
Some thoughts on this.
DUST is not pay to win. It's pay to access stuff earlier than you normally would be able to. An AUR Assault ck.0 has exactly the same stats as an ISK Assault ck.0. The only difference is that you can use the AUR version with Caldari Assault III instead of V for the ISK version. Actually, if you use an ISK Assault ck.0 it means you must be at Caldari Assault V and if I am using an AUR Assault ck.0 I could have Caldari Assault as low as III. In that case, while our suits are identical, you would have a better shield recharge rate and more effective shield extenders (currently as of 1.7) than I would due to your higher skill.
An EVE equivalent would be have an AUR Marauder with exactly the same stats as a regular Marauder, but with skill requirements being something like only needed Racial Battleship V and not needing to train the other skills to inject Marauder.
It would be terrible, and EVE players would hate it, and 'instant gratification' and other marketing buzzword bullshit. DUST players in general are too dumb to know what to think about the state of their pay to access stuff earlier than you normally would be able to game. They generally think it's pay to win, and get giant gamer boners when they kill someone in AUR gear. They don't seem to realize, as already mentioned, that an AUR target could generally be an easier target to kill than an ISK target. Maybe some dude just has a ton of cash and doesn't have the time to hit his skill cap every week to get the skills needed to use that ISK PRO gear.
For what it's worth, the only thing I spend AUR on in DUST (and likely ever will spend AUR on) are SP Boosters, which equates to a 15 USD / mo subscription. But I wait to by the AUR when there's a special promo or sale, I buy larger AUR packs so I get effectively more AUR / USD, and I buy the boosters themselves when they're on sale or special promo. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Ohemgee MyNameWontFi
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.03.10 13:22:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:
You can buy PLEX with real money and sell them for ISK.
There is nothing you can't do with enough ISK.
Buy a fleet of characters with supers and pay PL/N3 to do your bidding.
Game over you won EVE.
meet jimblidge, enjoy! Edit Signature |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
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Posted - 2014.03.10 13:23:00 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:ErrorRon wrote:I honestly couldn't care less if they throw in cosmetics and microtransactions. So long as they don't make it pay to win. Implying it isn't currently 100% pay to win? Did you hear about the guy that bought a 44B RNI and promptly lost it? I don't think it's possible for this game to be truly P2W. If people start flying around in pay-to-win-mobiles like that guy thought he had, they'll get ganked...just like he did.
Ok so what happens if someone who isn't a total moron does that and uses the ISK wisely?
Imagine if the battle of B-R was 100% reimbursed on the N3/PL side? All the USTZ lamers who didn't log in their supers b/c they didn't want to have to grind out enough ISK to get a new one would have jumped in and it would have been a different story. Not today spaghetti. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2679
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Posted - 2014.03.10 13:37:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:ErrorRon wrote:I honestly couldn't care less if they throw in cosmetics and microtransactions. So long as they don't make it pay to win. Implying it isn't currently 100% pay to win? Did you hear about the guy that bought a 44B RNI and promptly lost it? I don't think it's possible for this game to be truly P2W. If people start flying around in pay-to-win-mobiles like that guy thought he had, they'll get ganked...just like he did. Ok so what happens if someone who isn't a total moron does that and uses the ISK wisely? Imagine if the battle of B-R was 100% reimbursed on the N3/PL side? All the USTZ lamers who didn't log in their supers b/c they didn't want to have to grind out enough ISK to get a new one would have jumped in and it would have been a different story.
Speculation doesn't prove anything. What is and what could be are two entirely different things. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
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Posted - 2014.03.10 13:44:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Speculation doesn't prove anything. What is and what could be are two entirely different things.
I was simply using that as a 'what if' scenario trying to prove a point.
MMO's that allow you to buy characters or character upgrades without 'earning them' are considered pay to win. Not today spaghetti. |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
79
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Posted - 2014.03.10 13:44:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote: Ok so what happens if someone who isn't a total moron does that and uses the ISK wisely?
I'm not sure it's possible to use a 44B non-supercap wisely.
Sexy Cakes wrote: Imagine if the battle of B-R was 100% reimbursed on the N3/PL side? All the USTZ lamers who didn't log in their supers b/c they didn't want to have to grind out enough ISK to get a new one would have jumped in and it would have been a different story.
It's already possible for that battle to have been 100% reimbursed thanks to PLEX. I've only been playing this game for a year, and I'm not really up to speed on the history, but has anyone "won" because of PLEX? |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
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Posted - 2014.03.10 13:57:00 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote: It's already possible for that battle to have been 100% reimbursed thanks to PLEX. I've only been playing this game for a year, and I'm not really up to speed on the history, but has anyone "won" because of PLEX?
Define a win in EVE. It's a relative term that doesn't have much meaning in this game because its a 'sandbox'.
Someone buy me 7 accounts with maxed out stealth bomber pilots and ISBoxer and I could certainly generate a massive amount of ISK loss in nullsec.
In my opinion the only way you truly win EVE is to have enough ISK to buy PLEX for the foreseeable future and only log on to set your skill queue.
When you reach EVE Offline you have truly beaten EVE Online. Not today spaghetti. |
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