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Sales Merchant
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:11:00 -
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Edited by: Sales Merchant on 24/04/2006 13:12:24 Why not have a new feature in Kali that allows a CEO to (at creation of a corp or one time only) flag his corp as permanently non-PVP so they cannot be war dec'ed. Make the cost of this change 3 billion isk to prevent abuse and unable to change back.
When a corp is flagged as non-pvp it cannot be war deced but also no pilot of that corporation can use any stargate leading to any system below 0.5. So essentially if you want to be safe and free from pvp you are limited to 0.5 systems and above and have to pay a hefty fee to concord upfront.
I feel this will solve a lot of the pointless greifing random war decs that make so many players unhappy and leave the game. It will also allow players that choose to play the other non-pvp elements of EVE in peace.
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Cypherous
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:12:00 -
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Because EVE is a PvP game, if you get wardecced fight back and as for the 0.5 system thing, thats not gonna happen, its a bad idea and won't make it in-game.
O RLY?! --Jorauk Way cooler than Jorauk - Cortes |
Sales Merchant
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: Sales Merchant on 24/04/2006 13:16:23
Originally by: Cypherous Because EVE is a PvP game...
If it is i'd like to see a dev confirm that 100% I dont believe it is purely pvp or they would be no missions or mining which are by far the most involved activities in the game
Originally by: Spartan239 why should you be safe in "High Security" space?
Because I dont like being blown up to the amusement of someone else in high sec when i have no interest in fighting at all.
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:14:00 -
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why should you be safe in "High Security" space?
Originally by: Tamora > its not the skills that make the eve player... its the smack that back him up
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:15:00 -
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No.
Because we ALL live in ONE universe and MUST be subject to the same rules.
With this silly idea, they'll be no wars about roids, or wars about ego. Then where would be???
No.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 24/04/2006 13:22:46 Edited by: Rells on 24/04/2006 13:22:07
Originally by: Sales Merchant Why not have a new feature in Kali that allows a CEO to (at creation of a corp or one time only) flag his corp as permanently non-PVP so they cannot be war dec'ed.
Because that would be a PvP switch and its a slippery slope. First the rectriction to high sec gets whittled away, then lowsec restriction then suddenly people can be "non pvp" mining crokite with no risk in 0.0. Its a slippery slope that has been demonstrated by more MMOGs than I can possibly count. It DOESNT work.
Originally by: Sales Merchant Make the cost of this change 3 billion isk to prevent abuse and unable to change back.
3 billion is not that much isk.
Originally by: Sales Merchant When a corp is flagged as non-pvp it cannot be war deced but also no pilot of that corporation can use any stargate leading to any system below 0.5.
That will get whittled away and that trick would be used to make unimpeachable mining alts that cna never be attacked. Main alliances couldnt war dec the major suppliers of their enemy and so on. It would destroy the game.
Originally by: Sales Merchant So essentially if you want to be safe and free from pvp you are limited to 0.5 systems and above and have to pay a hefty fee to concord upfront.
If you want to be safe from PvP you chose the wrong game. There are DOZENS of game out there where you are safe from pvp, I suggest you go play one of them instead.
Originally by: Sales Merchant I feel this will solve a lot of the pointless greifing random war decs that make so many players unhappy and leave the game.
Those people werent made for eve anyway. Eve is a thinking persons game, not the mind numbing butt in seat time of other MMOGs out there. Its a rich and deep game with pvp in economics as well as with ships. Its the single best game out there and Im sorry but I wont have people like you trying to ruin it. "Carebears" have ruined countless other games, dramatically with neocron and not so dramatically with others. In those other games pvp is a joke compared to Eve. There are lots of games out there, if this one doesnt suit you that is no crime but dont try to ruin this one too.
as for getting war deced, fight back, hire mercs to fight them for you. Use your money to buy strong arms to blow up your enemies and make it costly for them to mess with you and then they will leave you alone. You dont need a huge BS fleet to drive off a griefer corp.
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sales Merchant
Originally by: Cypherous Because EVE is a PvP game...
If it is i'd like to see a dev confirm that 100% I dont believe it is purely pvp or they would be no missions or mining which are by far the most involved activities in the game
Mining IS pvp, your denying the other potential players resources.
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Swethren
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:16:00 -
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If you don't wanna get war dec'ed, don't **** people off. Even the market is a PvP environment. Drive the price down in a regoin badly enough and you are bound to attract some unwanted attention.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sales Merchant
Originally by: Swethren If you don't wanna get war dec'ed, don't **** people off.
I'm talking about random war decs where a big industrial or mining based corporation is playing peacefully and get war deced because some pvpers are bored and what a cheap thrill out of killing non combatants.
C'est la vie. ----------------
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Cypherous
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sales Merchant
Originally by: Cypherous Because EVE is a PvP game...
If it is i'd like to see a dev confirm that 100% I dont believe it is purely pvp or they would be no missions or mining which are by far the most involved activities in the game
PvP does not always mean combat, anything you do in eve will directly affect another player in some way, be that selling cheap things on the market or mining all the trit, if you don't wanna play with other people go play X3 :)
O RLY?! --Jorauk Way cooler than Jorauk - Cortes |
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Sales Merchant
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Swethren If you don't wanna get war dec'ed, don't **** people off.
I'm talking about random war decs where a big industrial or mining based corporation is playing peacefully and get war deced because some pvpers are bored and what a cheap thrill out of killing non combatants.
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Logi3
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:23:00 -
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Eve online is a PVP base Space MMORPG. What they hell do you want to do ingame? Just sit mining and building and making loads of ISK and sell it on Ebay for real life money?
Tought, i honestly cant see this changing. If CCP brought this in i recon a good 50% if not more would leave the game. It seems that most MMORPGS are now non PVP or you have to go on PVP only servers.
Also, the 3bil ISK is unfair on smaller industrial corps, so nothing would change. It just means that the rich stay safe and the poor get ganked to kingdom come because of the smaller availabilty of targets. -----------------------------------------------
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sales Merchant
Originally by: Swethren If you don't wanna get war dec'ed, don't **** people off.
I'm talking about random war decs where a big industrial or mining based corporation is playing peacefully and get war deced because some pvpers are bored and what a cheap thrill out of killing non combatants.
You have money? There are lots of merc corps in the game. Agony included. Use your money to pay us to fight for you.
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sales Merchant
Because I dont like being blown up to the amusement of someone else in high sec when i have no interest in fighting at all.
I take it your some indi corps sales alt, so i ask u this, how on earth did your corp make money???
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:30:00 -
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I'll agree to your stipulation on the sole condition that you cannot put anything on market. Fair's fair.
I make bizarre sigs
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:30:00 -
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Why does anyone bother seriously replying to someone that speaks for "all carebears"?
And has the most moronic idea to grace these forums the past month? ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Ms Freak
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cypherous Because EVE is a PvP game, if you get wardecced fight back and as for the 0.5 system thing, thats not gonna happen, its a bad idea and won't make it in-game.
And where does it say EVE is a PvP ONLY game??
Why do some people (this is not aimed specicly at the above poster) refuse to beleive that there is more to EVE than PvP??
I don't agree with that the OP is suggesting but he does have a point that there should be some mechanism that would protect the Carebare community (and restrict them to being just that) from an element of the game they simply do not want to partisipate in.
PvP between a PvP char and a Trader is a no-brainer as to who would win, there are NPC's that would give a better fight.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Cypherous Because EVE is a PvP game, if you get wardecced fight back and as for the 0.5 system thing, thats not gonna happen, its a bad idea and won't make it in-game.
And where does it say EVE is a PvP ONLY game??
Why do some people (this is not aimed specicly at the above poster) refuse to beleive that there is more to EVE than PvP??
I don't agree with that the OP is suggesting but he does have a point that there should be some mechanism that would protect the Carebare community (and restrict them to being just that) from an element of the game they simply do not want to partisipate in.
PvP between a PvP char and a Trader is a no-brainer as to who would win, there are NPC's that would give a better fight.
There is a very good mechanic in place already... and it's called... PLAY ANOTHER FREAKING GAME!!!! GEEZ Just leave us the hell alone, these moronic ideas are gettign so freaking old. Read the box ( the site ) before you open it. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Berak FalCheran I'll agree to your stipulation on the sole condition that you cannot put anything on market. Fair's fair.
Berak fur President. ----------------
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Swethren
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:34:00 -
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there is another mechanid too, it's called surrender and disband...
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Cypherous Because EVE is a PvP game, if you get wardecced fight back and as for the 0.5 system thing, thats not gonna happen, its a bad idea and won't make it in-game.
And where does it say EVE is a PvP ONLY game??
Why do some people (this is not aimed specicly at the above poster) refuse to beleive that there is more to EVE than PvP??
I don't agree with that the OP is suggesting but he does have a point that there should be some mechanism that would protect the Carebare community (and restrict them to being just that) from an element of the game they simply do not want to partisipate in.
PvP between a PvP char and a Trader is a no-brainer as to who would win, there are NPC's that would give a better fight.
im sorry but you do not understand this game.
I dont care for killing you and crippling your corp, but ya know what? that corp your undercutting selling tritanium prolly does, and there prolly *****d. So what do they do? hire someone to do the fighting for them and to cripple you. You take this out of the game, you kill it.
There is NO SUCH THING as a PVP char..we all do 'some; carebearing at some point. And all you 'carebears' DO PVP ALL THE TIME.
And im sure the devs have said time and time again that EVE IS A PVP GAME, whether it be combat, industrial etc.
so dont give me your warped view of the game.
The SHOULD NEVARRR!! be a mechanism to stop people interacting at every level. you wanna not pvp, then dont sell anything, just mine and build thats it..is that fair?
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Cypherous
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Cypherous Because EVE is a PvP game, if you get wardecced fight back and as for the 0.5 system thing, thats not gonna happen, its a bad idea and won't make it in-game.
And where does it say EVE is a PvP ONLY game??
Why do some people (this is not aimed specicly at the above poster) refuse to beleive that there is more to EVE than PvP??
I don't agree with that the OP is suggesting but he does have a point that there should be some mechanism that would protect the Carebare community (and restrict them to being just that) from an element of the game they simply do not want to partisipate in.
PvP between a PvP char and a Trader is a no-brainer as to who would win, there are NPC's that would give a better fight.
What Does MM stand for in MMORPG? Massivly Multiplayer
That means more than one player, whcih means things are done against other players, which is what PvP stands for, Player VS Player, everything you do affects others on a different level so get used to it, if all you want to do is mine then go play X3 :)
Hell i have a copy i'm not using if it will get rid of a moaning carebear i'll mail it to them >.<
O RLY?! --Jorauk Way cooler than Jorauk - Cortes |
Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:39:00 -
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You should shop around and see how much Merc power you can buy for that 3b... and how often are you Wardecced anyway? If it's lots, then you must be doing something wrong or annoying the wrong people.
I also do not think you've thought about the implications such a non-PvP option has on game mechanics... Can flagging, Eye-for-an-Eye, low sec access... _
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Chaddy
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:41:00 -
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No! That is simply a bad idea!
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 24/04/2006 13:42:25 Shhhhh everyone settle down. Dont worry, CCP is not so stupid as to listen to suggestions like the OP. They have been plagued with them since the game opened with accompanying predictions of the failure of the game. Now three years running it hasnt failed and is the best MMOG out there. CCP knows that such a stupid modification would loose half their customers.
So dont worry.
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Logi3
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Laythun
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Cypherous Because EVE is a PvP game, if you get wardecced fight back and as for the 0.5 system thing, thats not gonna happen, its a bad idea and won't make it in-game.
And where does it say EVE is a PvP ONLY game??
Why do some people (this is not aimed specicly at the above poster) refuse to beleive that there is more to EVE than PvP??
I don't agree with that the OP is suggesting but he does have a point that there should be some mechanism that would protect the Carebare community (and restrict them to being just that) from an element of the game they simply do not want to partisipate in.
PvP between a PvP char and a Trader is a no-brainer as to who would win, there are NPC's that would give a better fight.
im sorry but you do not understand this game.
I dont care for killing you and crippling your corp, but ya know what? that corp your undercutting selling tritanium prolly does, and there prolly *****d. So what do they do? hire someone to do the fighting for them and to cripple you. You take this out of the game, you kill it.
There is NO SUCH THING as a PVP char..we all do 'some; carebearing at some point. And all you 'carebears' DO PVP ALL THE TIME.
And im sure the devs have said time and time again that EVE IS A PVP GAME, whether it be combat, industrial etc.
so dont give me your warped view of the game.
The SHOULD NEVARRR!! be a mechanism to stop people interacting at every level. you wanna not pvp, then dont sell anything, just mine and build thats it..is that fair?
Great post. You ever thought that your industrial corp is causing another corp a loss of income or something along those lines and that war has been paid by a rival corp to cripple you.
Suck it up, or pack up and leave. -----------------------------------------------
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Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: Balazs Simon on 24/04/2006 13:45:13 No, because 0.0 Alliances would move their industry into corps like this, and they could not be tuched by the enemy. wich is of course realy realy bad.
just imagine the scennario, you know that your enemy is runing ****load of trades, haulling capital ship stuff through high sec, and you cant do anything about it.
This is already a problem that frighters pilotscan be in noob corps.
What I suggest it to have the same restrictions in noob corps like if you would be in a trial account. Ie. ship and skill restrictions. - POST WITH YOUR MAIN!
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Plan Neun
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:49:00 -
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I hope with all my heart that CCP never buy this suggestion.
"I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Balazs Simon What I suggest it to have the same restrictions in noob corps like if you would be in a trial account. Ie. ship and skill restrictions.
Wrong thread, but no regardless.
To the OP: You don't speak for all, so don't say you do. I'm a carebear, I'm a miner and occasional industrialist. I sit in high sec empire mining, not really caring for what else happens. But, just because I don't like losing my ship doesn't mean I would even consider agreeing to something like this.
As others have already said, the only way to be perfectly safe from PvP is to NEVER leave a station, NEVER buy or sell stuff on the market, and if you can't do those, then stop playing. Thats how you avoid all PvP in this game. EVEBay
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Noluck Ned
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:56:00 -
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If you have 3 Bill isk to spend on PVPO-Proofing your corp, why not hire Mercenaries to take care of your problems for much much less?
you would have to be wardecced very often to every spend that 3 bill on hired guns(the cheap disposable kind)
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