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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
718
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Posted - 2014.03.11 17:31:00 -
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ViolentDesire wrote:It seems there is an effort to shift the purpose of plex to something other than actual game time (multi training queue, magazine sub(?), painted ships). This is some kind of indirect microtransaction thing going on here.
Why would I want to pay real money for this game? Is PvE good? No. Is PvP good? Yes, but generally hard to find. Low sec is dead outside of FW and null is pretty empty. There are annoying bugs that should be easy to fix but have been around for years. Industry is just painful.
Ultimately, every million that goes into plex is one less million that goes into PvP.
Couldn't agree more. Not today spaghetti. |
Serene Repose
Saanen Freight Service
1002
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Posted - 2014.03.11 17:43:00 -
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I heartily endorse this service, and or, product. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
220
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Posted - 2014.03.11 18:06:00 -
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ViolentDesire wrote:It seems there is an effort to shift the purpose of plex to something other than actual game time (multi training queue, magazine sub(?), painted ships). This is some kind of indirect microtransaction thing going on here.
Why would I want to pay real money for this game? Is PvE good? No. Is PvP good? Yes, but generally hard to find. Low sec is dead outside of FW and null is pretty empty. There are annoying bugs that should be easy to fix but have been around for years. Industry is just painful.
Ultimately, every million that goes into plex is one less million that goes into PvP.
Bye then. Can I have your stuff please? |
Real Serious PVPer
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2014.03.11 18:07:00 -
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Word must have gotten round that I would be undocking and looking for targets.
-áSerious about being serious- Putting the "P "into PVP one fight at a time. -áMUFC |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14055
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Posted - 2014.03.11 18:18:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Knights Armament wrote:Icarus Able wrote:Its more expensive on weekends because more people are online? Possibly, but someone is buying up most of the plex and relisting, driving prices up. I thought CCP flooded the market with plex to prevent this type of behavior? What is to stop large alliances from using their vast income to buy up all the plex? CCP doesn't inject plexes into the game. The number of plex is dependent on how many people buy plex from CCP.
CCP have confirmed that they've used ISK and PLEX confiscated from banned accounts to stabilise the PLEX market in the past.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14055
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Posted - 2014.03.11 18:20:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:It seems there is an effort to shift the purpose of plex to something other than actual game time (multi training queue, magazine sub(?), painted ships). This is some kind of indirect microtransaction thing going on here.
Why would I want to pay real money for this game? Is PvE good? No. Is PvP good? Yes, but generally hard to find. Low sec is dead outside of FW and null is pretty empty. There are annoying bugs that should be easy to fix but have been around for years. Industry is just painful.
Ultimately, every million that goes into plex is one less million that goes into PvP. Couldn't agree more.
Those "millions" don't disappear. Indeed, most PLEX originate from time-poor, cash rich players who want to PVP, but lack the time to fund their habit through normal in-game means. I'd say that PLEX increase PvP.
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Tetsuo Tsukaya
Doom Generation THE H0NEYBADGER
319
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Posted - 2014.03.11 18:50:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:It seems there is an effort to shift the purpose of plex to something other than actual game time (multi training queue, magazine sub(?), painted ships). This is some kind of indirect microtransaction thing going on here.
Why would I want to pay real money for this game? Is PvE good? No. Is PvP good? Yes, but generally hard to find. Low sec is dead outside of FW and null is pretty empty. There are annoying bugs that should be easy to fix but have been around for years. Industry is just painful.
Ultimately, every million that goes into plex is one less million that goes into PvP. Couldn't agree more. Those "millions" don't disappear. Indeed, most PLEX originate from time-poor, cash rich players who want to PVP, but lack the time to fund their habit through normal in-game means. I'd say that PLEX increase PvP.
"I would do way more PVP if only I didn't have to spend so much of my ISK I made trading/mining/running a research POS to plex my account" - said nobody ever.
I would strongly suspect that as it is the only major activity that is primarily income negative, people who engage in PVP most likely make up the majority of plex sellers, not buyers. The people making x ISK/HR every time they log in likely aren't also selling plex to supplement their income. |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1317
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Posted - 2014.03.11 20:43:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote: Why would I want to pay real money for this game? Is PvE good? No. Is PvP good? Yes, but generally hard to find.
and still you choose to make PvE even more boring (you NEED to do it for longer time) and PvP even more hard to find (by moving your finances from PvP to PLEX) The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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ViolentDesire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2014.03.11 21:10:00 -
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Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote: I would strongly suspect that as it is the only major activity that is primarily income negative, people who engage in PVP most likely make up the majority of plex sellers, not buyers. The people making x ISK/HR every time they log in likely aren't also selling plex to supplement their income.
Because prices keep going up, we should then be seeing more PvP. Sounds great.
March rabbit wrote:and still you choose to make PvE even more boring (you NEED to do it for longer time) and PvP even more hard to find (by moving your finances from PvP to PLEX) The game isn't good/fun enough for me justify paying in any other way, and given the popularity of plex, it appears im not alone. |
Marsha Mallow
115
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Posted - 2014.03.11 21:30:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:No cause for panic. Everything is as it should be. Posting about plex spikes and ranting a bit is precisely the thing to do, with a variety of possible benefits
- Traders with stockpiles spot the panic and start dumping. Plex is a reasonably popular long term investment for people taking a break so reporting it alerts the unsubbed - particularly if it hits a news site
- People who might have been about to buy RMT ISK decide they get better value for money from CCP
- People who occasionally buy Plex to buffer their funds decide now is when they'll get the most return
- CCP spot the yelling and dump some confiscated Plex to try stabilise things
- CCP rub their paws together and run a discount Plex offer to cash in
- CCP adjust the amount of Aurum available for direct sale (currently 2500 Aur for -ú12.99 vs 3500 from a plex)
- Somerblink finds a few trillion stashed and an inventive way to RMT it for ETC sales
All of those work to drive prices back down, and benefit the playerbase. So - everybody panic - it's for the best.
Re the whole plexing vs paying debate - it's really down to how you value your time and enjoy spending it. Pay with real money by all means, buy the odd plex and sell it to me. But please don't do the smug justification of how much you earn ph or pay for cinema tickets irl. If you only have one account in game you're probably playing very narrowly. $10 or -ú10 a month sounds reasonable until you consider many players have multiple accounts - at which point Eve is comparitively expensive.
Not everyone grinds NPCs until their fingers bleed for plex subs either - some of us genuinely enjoy the strategic side of large scale ISK making to the point our enjoyment hinges on it. Just the same as #mindless mission runner 7480 - making ISK for no reason at all other than a sense of achievement. At the extreme end of that are people who will unsub if they see inflation as curbing their enjoyment and returning players (on promo return offers) disgusted at inflation without time to find the new faucets. CCP clearly do monitor this or they would never have committed to intervening where required. - |
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Tetsuo Tsukaya
Doom Generation THE H0NEYBADGER
319
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Posted - 2014.03.11 21:31:00 -
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ViolentDesire wrote:March rabbit wrote:and still you choose to make PvE even more boring (you NEED to do it for longer time) and PvP even more hard to find (by moving your finances from PvP to PLEX) The game isn't good/fun enough for me justify paying in any other way, and given the popularity of plex, it appears im not alone.
It's possible you feel that way because of how many hours you need to spend doing tasks only because you need to pay for PLEX instead of the things you really want to do. There's a stunning variety of gameplay options in EVE once you aren't worried about how much ISK/HR you'll get out of them. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
226
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:20:00 -
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You didn't actually even read my posts, did you.
I'll just assume you grabbed that random quote out of context and then give you the benefit of the doubt that you addressed the rest of your post to the general reader, rather than to me. Nor am I going to bother debunking much of the nonsense in it as I've already identified from your general posting format that you are not the kind of individual I want to discuss with. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
413
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Posted - 2014.03.11 23:19:00 -
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Rightly or wrongly a large part of the player base see the challenge of EVE is making ISK and get a sense of achievement out of seeing the ISK roll in. These people will never pay to sub as it defeats the purpose of playing.
Someone once said to me "much as you may be tempted to cash in on a good deal keep your account above 100 bill, that way if you lose 20 bill in a bad deal or get ganked and lose a 3 or 4 bill ship you can just shrug it off and not lose any sleep".
On the other extreme you see some PvPers posting in local getting all excited about killing a pod with +4 implants when a full set only costs 50 mill (basically one good lvl IV mission worth) and some LP.
ISK means different things to different people and once you get past a certain income in game its not really about buying stuff anymore. its no different in real life. Once you make more than a few thousand a week its pretty hard to spend it on "normal" stuff like haircuts and takeaway you need to buy cars and houses or it just accumulates. Take your income up a step again in real life and its almost impossible to spend it buying stuff you can only "lose it" in bad investments. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
806
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Posted - 2014.03.11 23:42:00 -
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Whatever will we do? Oh that's right, run one more hub. I was gonna do that anyway... Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Bael Malefic
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.03.11 23:48:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
Those "millions" don't disappear. Indeed, most PLEX originate from time-poor, cash rich players who want to PVP, but lack the time to fund their habit through normal in-game means. I'd say that PLEX increase PvP.
A big +1 to that. I don't have the time or the patience to multibox an Orca fleet or run a POS for moon goo or manage PI. I have time to fly for pew-pew and that's about it. So I buy the occasional PLEX and sell it when I completely run out of shiny ships to explode with. Although as I get better at PVP I find I am making enough in looting/salvage to fund my bad habit.
I can understand why there are some who think it's OK to pay for their game time with imaginary money they make mining moon goo or whatnot, but it takes real life money to feed the hamsters that keep them servers running.
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Divine Entervention
Infinity Divided
107
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Posted - 2014.03.11 23:51:00 -
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Right now is when all the people who subbed after the b-5 promotion will be running out of play time.
So they're inflating the price so the new people won't be able to afford playying. |
Regan Rotineque
Rl'yeh Interstellar Ltd. Mildly Sober
237
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Posted - 2014.03.12 01:07:00 -
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Soooo...I should not buy 1000 plex to makes all them purdy new blue abbys?
But they so purdy...me likey
Want big blue Apoc too.......plex= 800m when that happen |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
413
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Posted - 2014.03.12 01:14:00 -
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Considering the entire rest of GD got moved to other forums, how did this thread miss getting moved to market Discussion ? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
571
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Posted - 2014.03.12 01:17:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Considering the entire rest of GD got moved to other forums, how did this thread miss getting moved to market Discussion ? Shhh you're discussing over moderation.
That's bad mmkay. We'll all be in trouble shortly. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
50
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Posted - 2014.03.12 01:21:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:What the hell is going on.
Prices goes up and down on plexes that is apart of the EvE market cycle.
Ask the Goons they will know why I am not a CCP employee-ájust having a input in the EvE forum
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2326
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Posted - 2014.03.12 01:51:00 -
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Prices are going to top 1 billion. This idiotic skins program has not even started, it is only a pilot program, and we already have wild speculation on the plex market.
Now, this is only one of the factors that are driving prices to insane levels. But it is now a systemic driver if CCP actually continues with "ISK for skins", and ramps up the program.
We also have the one-time spike of more narcissists spending plex to get their words of wisdom buried under a statue for a few decades.
And lastly, and the biggest one, is that cfc, pl, and their renters are now in total ISK grind more. They are creating more null sec ISK than ever seen before in the game, with 75% of sov null blue to one another. These people will not be needing to dump a plex on the market, but are instead drowning in ISK. What they can't spend on skins, or in other real life methods, they are using to plex all their accounts. When cfc and pl are not deployed, they don't have much else to do but to make ISK. That is driving plex demand through the roof, and at the same time driving down supply.
Put it all together, and you have a real mess on your hands for the casual player that tries to grind enough ISK every month for a plex or 2. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1032
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Posted - 2014.03.12 02:06:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Caviar Liberta wrote:Knights Armament wrote:Icarus Able wrote:Its more expensive on weekends because more people are online? Possibly, but someone is buying up most of the plex and relisting, driving prices up. I thought CCP flooded the market with plex to prevent this type of behavior? What is to stop large alliances from using their vast income to buy up all the plex? CCP doesn't inject plexes into the game. The number of plex is dependent on how many people buy plex from CCP. CCP have confirmed that they've used ISK and PLEX confiscated from banned accounts to stabilise the PLEX market in the past. Wouldn't those still be PLEX that were bought at one point? I get that it is PLEX that would have otherwise been forever lost, but it's still time that has been paid for. |
Vance Armistice
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2014.03.12 02:10:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:Jurou Yuan wrote:Knights Armament wrote:I just don't see the point in allowing plex prices to climb un-regulated, your average 2 month old character isn't going to spend 2.5 billion on a plex. They can just pay with money then. Paying with plex is a option not a right. You're right paying with money might be cheaper in the long run, it would also probably be cheaper to just uninstall the game and play something else.
Perhaps if you can make yourself seem like a victim of some sort then CCP can be lobbied into making the wealthier players in Eve subsidize your game play...after all how the hell is it your fault that you are not successful enough in life to make enough money to play this game?!?
Personally, I think Chribba has been conspiring to keep you down |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1032
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Posted - 2014.03.12 02:14:00 -
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Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:Malcanis wrote: Those "millions" don't disappear. Indeed, most PLEX originate from time-poor, cash rich players who want to PVP, but lack the time to fund their habit through normal in-game means. I'd say that PLEX increase PvP.
"I would do way more PVP if only I didn't have to spend so much of my ISK I made trading/mining/running a research POS to plex my account" - said nobody ever. I would strongly suspect that as it is the only major activity that is primarily income negative, people who engage in PVP most likely make up the majority of plex sellers, not buyers. The people making x ISK/HR every time they log in likely aren't also selling plex to supplement their income. So... the same thing he just said?
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Tetsuo Tsukaya
Doom Generation THE H0NEYBADGER
321
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Posted - 2014.03.12 03:03:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:Malcanis wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:It seems there is an effort to shift the purpose of plex to something other than actual game time (multi training queue, magazine sub(?), painted ships). This is some kind of indirect microtransaction thing going on here.
Why would I want to pay real money for this game? Is PvE good? No. Is PvP good? Yes, but generally hard to find. Low sec is dead outside of FW and null is pretty empty. There are annoying bugs that should be easy to fix but have been around for years. Industry is just painful.
Ultimately, every million that goes into plex is one less million that goes into PvP. Couldn't agree more. Those "millions" don't disappear. Indeed, most PLEX originate from time-poor, cash rich players who want to PVP, but lack the time to fund their habit through normal in-game means. I'd say that PLEX increase PvP. "I would do way more PVP if only I didn't have to spend so much of my ISK I made trading/mining/running a research POS to plex my account" - said nobody ever. I would strongly suspect that as it is the only major activity that is primarily income negative, people who engage in PVP most likely make up the majority of plex sellers, not buyers. The people making x ISK/HR every time they log in likely aren't also selling plex to supplement their income. So... the same thing he just said?
Pull up a seat son, and let me explain to you how the basic flow of a conversation works... |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1032
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Posted - 2014.03.12 03:20:00 -
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Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:Pull up a seat son, and let me explain to you how the basic flow of a conversation works... Your flow pointed the sarcastic remark in reply to the guy saying the same thing you did. Doesn't really seem like an effective flow. If it was meant to provide further supportive reasoning it didn't come over well, not as I read it.
But sure, explain away. |
Baron Chauman
Dread Phoenix Society Fidelas Constans
8
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:20:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Put it all together, and you have a real mess on your hands for the casual player that tries to grind enough ISK every month for a plex or 2.
You think casual players should be able to plex accounts easily? It doesn't work that way, since the amount of plex, or the number of people willing to pay real money for isk, is more limited then the number of people who want to play the game or have dozens of accounts without paying real money for it, or who buy plex as an investment.
Compare it to the housing market in the real world. On one side you have people who need a place to live, on the other people with too much money who need a safe place to invest it, and they drive up prices so that people can just barely afford to rent/buy a roof over their heads. Then the prices crash as people can't afford their rent/mortgage anymore and find somewhere cheaper to live. This is all fair and good and as it should be.
Or what are you, a socialist? |
Vance Armistice
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:55:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Prices are going to top 1 billion. This idiotic skins program has not even started, it is only a pilot program, and we already have wild speculation on the plex market.
Now, this is only one of the factors that are driving prices to insane levels. But it is now a systemic driver if CCP actually continues with "ISK for skins", and ramps up the program.
We also have the one-time spike of more narcissists spending plex to get their words of wisdom buried under a statue for a few decades.
And lastly, and the biggest one, is that cfc, pl, and their renters are now in total ISK grind more. They are creating more null sec ISK than ever seen before in the game, with 75% of sov null blue to one another. These people will not be needing to dump a plex on the market, but are instead drowning in ISK. What they can't spend on skins, or in other real life methods, they are using to plex all their accounts. When cfc and pl are not deployed, they don't have much else to do but to make ISK. That is driving plex demand through the roof, and at the same time driving down supply.
Put it all together, and you have a real mess on your hands for the casual player that tries to grind enough ISK every month for a plex or 2.
Casual players should pay the monthly subscription rate then. One would hope that their reason for causal play is that they have a successful life outside of this game and can give up a pizza or two worth of money per month to play. |
Kyperion
Aliastra Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:56:00 -
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Irony: that most of these people talking about the glories of the PLEX 'free market' probably voted for Obama or some other socialist in their respective homeland. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
333
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Posted - 2014.03.12 05:40:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:Icarus Able wrote:Its more expensive on weekends because more people are online? Possibly, but someone is buying up most of the plex and relisting, driving prices up. I thought CCP flooded the market with plex to prevent this type of behavior? What is to stop large alliances from using their vast income to buy up all the plex?
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