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Vaeldan Athargan
Copperhead Arsenal The Fourth District
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:27:00 -
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Many capital ships have an "alt-mode" to heighten their effectiveness in their role. Freighters could benefit from a "Bunker" mode that heightens damage reduction and shield/cap restoration amount bonuses. But, once triggered, they cannot move nor warp for a timer amount afterward... somewhat like a Cyno causes a ship to be immobilized, combined with a timer. |
TehCloud
Mastercard.
219
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:36:00 -
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"have an "alt-mode" to heighten their effectiveness"
So how would being immobile. incapable of warp be an increase in effectivity? This alt mode should reduce the HP as the downside, because not being able to warp would make it useless, but I can't think of any remotely useful active effect. My Condor costs less than that module! |
Anhenka
Daktaklakpak. Red Coat Conspiracy
369
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Posted - 2014.03.14 02:18:00 -
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TehCloud wrote:"have an "alt-mode" to heighten their effectiveness"
So how would being immobile. incapable of warp be an increase in effectivity? This alt mode should reduce the HP as the downside, because not being able to warp would make it useless, but I can't think of any remotely useful active effect.
This is a non-stealth nerf freighter ganking thread. Someone got freighter ganked recently, and came to ask for a superstrength mode with which to stop people from suicide ganking his 5 bil isk freighter in Niarja. Again. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3101
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Posted - 2014.03.14 02:24:00 -
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Or you can just double web your freighter and not get ganked in the first place. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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BlakPhoenix
Veni Vidi Vici Reloaded
67
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Posted - 2014.03.14 06:20:00 -
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I'm not entirely opposed to this idea., however I would suggest a slight modification:
Dryad Module - Damage taken is reduced by X% for 2 minutes. Ship cannot move or warp for 5 minutes. Can only be fit to freighters.
This would allow a freighter pilot to survive an initial onslaught in an attempt to transfer the goods to a smaller friendly ship, or allow pirates/gankers to perform a bounty payment. After the 2 minutes though the freighter is stuck for a further 3 minutes allowing gankers/pirates to claim their prize should the freighter be unwilling to negotiate.
What would this do to ganking as a profession? At worst it would mean that ganking would end up costing twice as much, this increasing the safe isk to transport in a freighter. At best it would allow gankers to get away with using less ships as they can arrange a bounty payout. |
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
72
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Posted - 2014.03.14 06:29:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Or you can just double web your freighter and not get ganked in the first place.
That presumes he and the webber are in the same player corp. |
Anhenka
Daktaklakpak. Red Coat Conspiracy
373
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Posted - 2014.03.14 06:30:00 -
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BlakPhoenix wrote:I'm not entirely opposed to this idea., however I would suggest a slight modification:
Dryad Module - Damage taken is reduced by X% for 2 minutes. Ship cannot move or warp for 5 minutes. Can only be fit to freighters.
This would allow a freighter pilot to survive an initial onslaught in an attempt to transfer the goods to a smaller friendly ship, or allow pirates/gankers to perform a bounty payment. After the 2 minutes though the freighter is stuck for a further 3 minutes allowing gankers/pirates to claim their prize should the freighter be unwilling to negotiate.
What would this do to ganking as a profession? At worst it would mean that ganking would end up costing twice as much, this increasing the safe isk to transport in a freighter. At best it would allow gankers to get away with using less ships as they can arrange a bounty payout.
Would it banish/prevent concord from arriving? Because since a half dozen Talos just suicided against that freighter, it's now sitting in the middle of a swarm of Concord BS's.
Which now means that before the gankers can try again, they need to go get new ships, then get even more ships in order to randomly agress enough people elsewhere in system to draw off ALL of the Concord (If you can even do that anymore, I dunno), and then get together enough ships and people without shoot on sight timers to finish the initial job.
Otherwise the freighter just sits fat and happy for 15 minutes, then logs off, safely siting in the cloud of instant death concord BS's. |
Anhenka
Daktaklakpak. Red Coat Conspiracy
373
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Posted - 2014.03.14 06:31:00 -
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Petrified wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Or you can just double web your freighter and not get ganked in the first place. That presumes he and the webber are in the same player corp.
Duel your freighter with your webber. 5 minute limited personal aggression, refreshes after each web. As long as time between systems is less than 5 minutes, it stays active. If not you can always just restart the duel. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3685
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Posted - 2014.03.14 06:51:00 -
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Interesting idea.... although I prefer this suggestion instead:
Roadside Service Deployable
Deploy it and it stops your ship from leaving grid. If you are still alive after 15 minutes, it teleports your ship to the closest station.
I also call it the "Hurry up and gank me or lose your opportunity" deployable. |
Dav Varan
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
161
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Posted - 2014.03.14 12:47:00 -
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Anhenka wrote:TehCloud wrote:"have an "alt-mode" to heighten their effectiveness"
So how would being immobile. incapable of warp be an increase in effectivity? This alt mode should reduce the HP as the downside, because not being able to warp would make it useless, but I can't think of any remotely useful active effect. This is a non-stealth nerf freighter ganking thread. Someone got freighter ganked recently, and came to ask for a superstrength mode with which to stop people from suicide ganking his 5 bil isk freighter in Niarja. Again.
He asked for a way to respond rather than just sitting there waiting to die. The Horror.
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Dave Stark
4524
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Posted - 2014.03.14 19:19:00 -
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Dav Varan wrote:Anhenka wrote:TehCloud wrote:"have an "alt-mode" to heighten their effectiveness"
So how would being immobile. incapable of warp be an increase in effectivity? This alt mode should reduce the HP as the downside, because not being able to warp would make it useless, but I can't think of any remotely useful active effect. This is a non-stealth nerf freighter ganking thread. Someone got freighter ganked recently, and came to ask for a superstrength mode with which to stop people from suicide ganking his 5 bil isk freighter in Niarja. Again. He asked for a way to respond rather than just sitting there waiting to die. The Horror.
don't be dumb and load your freighter with lots of shiny loot. don't be dumb and undock in a freighter while at war. etc.
there are plenty of things he can do rather than just sitting there waiting to die. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3106
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Posted - 2014.03.14 19:25:00 -
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Dav Varan wrote:Anhenka wrote:TehCloud wrote:"have an "alt-mode" to heighten their effectiveness"
So how would being immobile. incapable of warp be an increase in effectivity? This alt mode should reduce the HP as the downside, because not being able to warp would make it useless, but I can't think of any remotely useful active effect. This is a non-stealth nerf freighter ganking thread. Someone got freighter ganked recently, and came to ask for a superstrength mode with which to stop people from suicide ganking his 5 bil isk freighter in Niarja. Again. He asked for a way to respond rather than just sitting there waiting to die. The Horror.
Guess what, slick?
You have to be proactive, not reactive. The horror. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
10887
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Posted - 2014.03.14 19:33:00 -
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Yes..lets give freighter pilots the ability to tackle themselves! This would save us the time in sacrificing noobships to CONCORD to hold you down!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Batelle
HOMELE55
2245
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Posted - 2014.03.14 20:28:00 -
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Anhenka wrote:This is a non-stealth nerf freighter ganking thread. Someone got freighter ganked recently, and came to ask for a superstrength mode with which to stop people from suicide ganking his 5 bil isk freighter in Niarja. Again.
Asking to nerf freighter ganking doesn't mean you got your freighter ganked. I ask for that and I've never lost a freighter. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
72
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Posted - 2014.03.14 20:46:00 -
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Anhenka wrote:Petrified wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Or you can just double web your freighter and not get ganked in the first place. That presumes he and the webber are in the same player corp. Duel your freighter with your webber. 5 minute limited personal aggression, refreshes after each web. As long as time between systems is less than 5 minutes, it stays active. If not you can always just restart the duel.
*smacks self in head* Good thinking. Completely to take that into account. |
Anhenka
Daktaklakpak. Red Coat Conspiracy
376
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Posted - 2014.03.14 20:48:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Anhenka wrote:This is a non-stealth nerf freighter ganking thread. Someone got freighter ganked recently, and came to ask for a superstrength mode with which to stop people from suicide ganking his 5 bil isk freighter in Niarja. Again. Asking to nerf freighter ganking doesn't mean you got your freighter ganked. I ask for that and I've never lost a freighter. Not all the time. But frequently? Definitely.
People who get ganked come her to propose ideas about how to nerf it, miners who get bumped come here with ideas on how to stop that. People who get cloaky camped come here and propose ideas on how to nerf that. Just part of F&I.
In any case, the OP just threw out this idea, didn't stick around to explain it, never replied to it after posting, never laid out any mechanics, limitations, etc for his idea.
So if someone is just going to come propose something with huge holes in it then not even stick around to discuss it at all, some degree of dismissal is in order. |
Vaeldan Athargan
Copperhead Arsenal The Fourth District
7
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:43:00 -
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Anhenka wrote:Batelle wrote:Anhenka wrote:This is a non-stealth nerf freighter ganking thread. Someone got freighter ganked recently, and came to ask for a superstrength mode with which to stop people from suicide ganking his 5 bil isk freighter in Niarja. Again. Asking to nerf freighter ganking doesn't mean you got your freighter ganked. I ask for that and I've never lost a freighter. Not all the time. But frequently? Definitely. People who get ganked come her to propose ideas about how to nerf it, miners who get bumped come here with ideas on how to stop that. People who get cloaky camped come here and propose ideas on how to nerf that. Just part of F&I. In any case, the OP just threw out this idea, didn't stick around to explain it, never replied to it after posting, never laid out any mechanics, limitations, etc for his idea. So if someone is just going to come propose something with huge holes in it then not even stick around to discuss it at all, some degree of dismissal is in order.
You believe what you want, but no, haven't lost a freighter. This didn't come from some rage-quit moment, it came from a conversation, simple as that.
The discussion here is mimicking the discussion had in-game pretty closely, and the sides are the same. Gankers don't want a nerf, and I don't really see this as a nerf. Just an added defense against a defenseless ship type, and an opportunity to vary the game a bit. Good points raised about Concord, that wasn't factored in. The idea was initially just to allow the freighter's corp/alliance time to rally a counterforce, is all.
How about I just STFU, eh, Anhenka? |
Anhenka
Daktaklakpak. Red Coat Conspiracy
400
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Posted - 2014.03.20 21:15:00 -
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Vaeldan Athargan wrote: How about I just STFU, eh, Anhenka?
I would have preferred you had actually stuck around to discuss your idea in the discussion thread you started, but since that's not possible anymore, I'd settle for you not dredging up a thread where the last post was a week ago on a subject that you apparently already got plenty of negative feedback on, both ingame and on forum.
And if you don't see cockblocking gankers in the middle of the gank as a nerf, and didn't even bother to think about Concord when discussing suicide ganking, then I guess the original dismissal was well deserved.
Or how about you actually change or argue your proposal instead of calling someone else out for poking holes in it, then attempting to straw man it down to "Oh gankers don't want a change, this is a change that helps defenseless ships, therefore it's good, and needs no criticizing on the actual change itself" instead of defending or modifying the proposal.
Feel free to argue or discuss all you want. It's how things are refined. Of course, you actually have to be active in the thread you started in order for this to happen, but I guess that's too much work. |
Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
265
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Posted - 2014.03.20 23:46:00 -
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Vaeldan Athargan wrote: The idea was initially just to allow the freighter's corp/alliance time to rally a counterforce, is all
My counter-point: What's keeping the freighter's corp/alliance from just escorting it in the first place? |
Ronny Hugo
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
65
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Posted - 2014.03.21 04:00:00 -
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instead, offer your corpies some isk to escort you with remote rep ships. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3269
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Posted - 2014.03.21 07:34:00 -
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Ronny Hugo wrote:instead, offer your corpies some isk to escort you with remote rep ships.
Or the incredibly awesome remote rep/double web escort. He doesn't even have to be in your corp, just duel him now and again. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
368
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Posted - 2014.03.21 07:49:00 -
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Can we remove concord from systems 0.5-0.7 at the same time? This will put more content to the game, and militia will again have something to do.
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Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
153
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Posted - 2014.03.21 08:05:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Or you can just double web your freighter and not get ganked in the first place. Not to mention double bubble the cargo. |
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