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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:07:00 -
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Rashnu Gorbani wrote:Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:A tank will cost you from two to ten million ISK every hour. I would have thought 10m/hr is a very high number to make at all while mining in hisec.
Ice Mining is currently at about 4.XMil/15mins in highsec.
It translates roughly to an Ice Miner being able to PLEX itself for 1hr Ice Mining, per day. For a few clicks every 15mins, that is enormously easy and profitable for an essentially inactive player.
Where this becomes problematic with Ice Mining in particular, is from the following reasons: -High sec is very safe. Not only due to CONCORD limiting the cost/benefit equation, but also due to the sheer volume of potential targets. Safety in numbers, and high sec ice fields are packed to the brim. -If we take the above figure of 4.xMil/15mins, so 1 hr per day to PLEX, any additional time soent mining Ice is pure profit. For 2hrs a day, you can PLEX 2 accounts. If you mine with several accounts (as many many do) the profits are enormous over a month. For example. 3 accounts at 1hr a day will PLEX themselves. 3 accounts at 2hrs a day will PLEX 6 accounts. -The Ice Belts are predictable. Both in location, and in spawn time. Meaning players know very reliably when and where to roll out and exploit them. -Ice Mining is cheap in terms of ship fits and training time. Seriously. Many non-miners would be seriously jealous if they knew just how fast and cheap it is to outfit a Retriever for example.
As I suggested earlier, I will restate it again:
-Make Ice Belts a random sweeping Anomaly spawn, similar to conventional Ore Anomalies.
As to TNO and other permits, think of it as a one time pass to not get ganked. If younthink the permit carries any kind of weight for an entire year, you are misinformed about the structure and function of TNO. The permits terms, and TNOs manifesto, provide so many internal loopholes that they can and will attack you regardless of a permit. TNOs informal Corp structure also means that there is no actual formal list of permit holders, let alone that list being updated every minute to all Agents and Knights of the Order.
10mil is a tiny price to pay for the atleast superficial opportunity to immediately relocate your operation to another field. Pay it to make them go away and bother someone else if you are not tanked. But dont expect it to protect you against the next Agent/K ight who happens along. It wont. |
Winchester Steele
403
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:09:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:All New Order permits are worthless. Anyone who forks out 10m for one is being scammed.
Or is supporting emergent gameplay and against the automated gameplay which has infested High Security space like a cancer.
All a matter of perspective I suppose. This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Enraku Reynolt
Peripheral Patrol Shadow's Edge Alliance
14
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:12:00 -
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Sarah McKnobbo wrote:When were they worth anything to start with?
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Winchester Steele
403
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:27:00 -
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Enraku Reynolt wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:
You are SEVERELY overestimating your importance. Noone is paying attention to you because you are an afk bot aspirant who contributes nothing to the sandbox or the community. You might as well be an NPC. Or an antimatter dumpster. Either way, not worth more than 30 seconds of the Order's time, and even then only if they feel like using you to create content for the real EvE players. HTH.
Sort of blows holes in your claims that you all were doing that to get rid of some perceived afk mining menace (over looking if that was really your goal, youd just go around trying to talk to people, and if they didn't respond, then attack, but I digress) thanks for being honest that your group are just 8th rate extortionists Sarah McKnobbo wrote:When were they worth anything to start with? cause it needs to be repeated, or posted next to those cans that started this thread
How you figure sports fan? The NO kills thousands of bot - aspirants. You think one irrelevant dude in Amarr matters? Sorry no. He is but one tiny barnicle among thousands to be scraped off the hull of high-sec. He must wait his turn in line like all the other NPC...err miners.
Edit: the NO agents and knights talk to bot-aspirants all the time. It usually doesn't pan out because having a convo with someone who is "doing their laundry" isn't very productive. This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries
308
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Posted - 2014.03.19 17:12:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:My hope is now on a dude that multiboxes Talosses and ganks freighters. This guy is NOT in an NPC corp. He's also NOT using cheap throw away alts. Based on the age of his characters he's forced to go lowsec to grind up his sec-status. He's also got a bunch of killrights on him like a boss. THAT is ganking for pro's. In my opinion. In MY story.
I can't imagine using a talos to hit anything smaller than an orca, its not economically pheasible. You can either spend 30 mill to kill and exhumer using three catalysts, or spend 100 mill for a single talos. Which sounds smarter? Also, we have been orca ganking for awhile and have been moving into freighters and even got a jump freighter kill last week. If you look at some of our more recent kill mails you will see brutix's and talos's. Ideally turnout would be higher so we could move back to t2 catalysts though.
As for corps, a suprisingly small number of NO players are in NPC corps. If you're going to fly around with kill rights on you, there's no reason to fear a wardec. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Serene Repose
Saanen Freight Service
1102
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:27:00 -
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"NOW" worthless? "NOW" WORTHLESS??? Pssst. Here's a clue. They've ALWAYS been worthless. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Tear Jar
The Conference Elite CODE.
19
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:09:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Tear Jar wrote:March rabbit wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Arancar Australis wrote:Buy a permit you say...you do know that us Aussies are stubborn and laugh in the face of supposed authority, right? Cheers, AA I'm an Aussie, and I accept James' authority over highsec. it's ok. Some people just NEED to follow somebody. You know: the world is complex and harsh. You NEED somebody to give you orders and be your leader. By becoming stronger you will be able to choose your own way. What planet do you live on? Because almost everybody on Earth has a leader. Nobody is completely above the law. At best, they can choose which group to follow. on the Earth you have no choice, i agree in Eve Online you have the choice. That's why i speak about NEED to be leaded and ordered.
Even in Eve, you are beholden to the rules of CCP and the laws of both your country and Iceland. You aren't strong enough to oppose the order they impose on you.
Edit: I will also note that the strongest people in the game are more tied down in rules and regulations than your average player. Strength in Eve is primarily determined by your ability to influence others, which requires negotiation and deal making. |
voetius
BITB Support Services
201
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Posted - 2014.03.19 22:02:00 -
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New Order permits were never worth anything due to the way extortion rackets work (or don't work in this case).
Extortion rackets, e.g. those in real life work because of some exclusivity, that guy who is going to break your legs will also make sure that no-one else is going to break your legs because there would be no point paying him otherwise.
This doesn't apply in EvE as anyone else can come along and extort you and James (or anyone else) can't protect you against them. |
Winchester Steele
427
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Posted - 2014.03.19 22:12:00 -
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voetius wrote:New Order permits were never worth anything due to the way extortion rackets work (or don't work in this case).
Extortion rackets, e.g. those in real life work because of some exclusivity, that guy who is going to break your legs will also make sure that no-one else is going to break your legs because there would be no point paying him otherwise.
This doesn't apply in EvE as anyone else can come along and extort you and James (or anyone else) can't protect you against them.
Why do you need someone to protect you in the first place? Why on God's green earth would you want to play a helpless victim in a video game? Don't you get enough of that IRL?
I've been a supporter of the Order since its inception and at no point do I ever recall anyone from NO talking about protecting miners. In fact the very opposite is enshrined in the code:
"Goofus whines in local after being suicide ganked. Gallant thanks the ganker for teaching him a lesson."
"- Upon being suicide ganked, a miner should congratulate the ganker on his success. A "good fight" or "gf" in local is customary."
Silly bear. Living in NO territory and not knowing, by rote, the single most important document in all of High-Sec. This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
478
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Posted - 2014.03.19 22:25:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:I'll just leave this here, as I have left in every other NO thread I find.
I mine semi-afk (alt-tabbed while I'm at work) 9-5 Eastern Standard Time from Monday to Friday, in a system 2 jumps from Amarr.
I mine in an untanked Mackinaw, and I spit in the face of your code. I have been spouting this disrespect for almost a month, and none of you have come to do anything about it yet. Your delusion that you are "creating content" is laughable, at best. As I've said and will re-iterate, you are fail PvP pilots that need to attack people who don't fight back with some kind of twisted mentality that makes you think you are "champions".
If your bark had ANY kind of bite, I'd have lost a ton of barges by now. The fact that I can publicly taunt you, time and time again, and you are powerless to do anything about it, will hopefully steer away any aspirant code-compliers from falling for your troll scams.
Still waiting, WW
You are SEVERELY overestimating your importance. Noone is paying attention to you because you are an afk bot aspirant who contributes nothing to the sandbox or the community. You might as well be an NPC. Or an antimatter dumpster. Either way, not worth more than 30 seconds of the Order's time, and even then only if they feel like using you to create content for the real EvE players. HTH.
Also you guys do not exactly have a strong Amarr presence at the moment.
Just saying. |
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Winchester Steele
435
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Posted - 2014.03.20 00:44:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:I'll just leave this here, as I have left in every other NO thread I find.
I mine semi-afk (alt-tabbed while I'm at work) 9-5 Eastern Standard Time from Monday to Friday, in a system 2 jumps from Amarr.
I mine in an untanked Mackinaw, and I spit in the face of your code. I have been spouting this disrespect for almost a month, and none of you have come to do anything about it yet. Your delusion that you are "creating content" is laughable, at best. As I've said and will re-iterate, you are fail PvP pilots that need to attack people who don't fight back with some kind of twisted mentality that makes you think you are "champions".
If your bark had ANY kind of bite, I'd have lost a ton of barges by now. The fact that I can publicly taunt you, time and time again, and you are powerless to do anything about it, will hopefully steer away any aspirant code-compliers from falling for your troll scams.
Still waiting, WW
You are SEVERELY overestimating your importance. Noone is paying attention to you because you are an afk bot aspirant who contributes nothing to the sandbox or the community. You might as well be an NPC. Or an antimatter dumpster. Either way, not worth more than 30 seconds of the Order's time, and even then only if they feel like using you to create content for the real EvE players. HTH. Also you guys do not exactly have a strong Amarr presence at the moment. Just saying.
Amarr space sucks. I stick with the dirty hippies down in Sinq. The chicks are easier and the weed is better.
This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3213
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Posted - 2014.03.20 00:47:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Also you guys do not exactly have a strong Amarr presence at the moment.
Just saying.
Idk about anyone else, but most of my ganking alts start out Gallente. Quite naturally as a consequence, Caldari and Gallente space is heavily patrolled since it's much more intertwined than Amarr/Minmatar space is.
Amarr space does have a healthy amount of ganking, however. I have a couple of characters out there and I rarely go a day without seeing a decent gank nearby Amarr. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1227
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Posted - 2014.03.20 01:46:00 -
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CODE content creation .....
lol.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2291
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Posted - 2014.03.20 02:44:00 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote: Despite the fine efforts of so many New Order members and supporters there is still such a vast sea of misunderstanding and ignorance out there. I know a lot of it is willfully refusing to accept that we mean what we say because "principle!" and "honor!" but some of it appears to be just plain not-getting-it. I think no one will argue with the statement that there are players in Eve who believe they should be able to safely PvE in highsec without interference from other players. These players are concentrated in three areas. 1) The players who AFK autopilot between systems, mainly haulers, 2) the players who run missions in expensive, over-fitted non-PvP ships and of course 3) the max yield ice and ore miners. They often compound their stupidity by doing these activities with pods full of expensive implants chosen to maximize their ISK generation. Each of these types of players thumbs their nose at the idea that they are doing something provably stupid, despite Eve's long history of separating these foolish people from their assets. None of this would be a problem if they didn't fly to the petition page and the forums ( and the comments section of www.minerbumping.com) to demand changes to the game that would prevent them from having to take actual actions themselves to prevent another sudden but justifiable loss of their precious ISK. And THAT wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't clear that CCP has been listening to them. In what is certainly an attempt to carve out a safe space for the risk adverse (and their subscriptions) we have seen numerous changes to highsec that have been obvious concessions to the "highsec should be safe" crowd. Increased EHP built into the mining ships, massive ore holds, CONCORD response times buffed, can-flipping agro changes, and, of all things, a safety button were put in to save the carebears from themselves and their dumb activities. And so, there is the New Order of Highsec. Pushing back. Not just against the players but the people who decide the things in the previous paragraphs were good ideas. Somebody care to explain how any of those things made Eve a better game? How it matches with the dark, dangerous universe? How it isn't something Blizzard would do? We say we are against the AFKers and the bot aspirants. Its what we call people who think highsec is or should be safe. We call them bot aspirants for two reasons. One because what they do is barely different from a bot, ie a click or two every 45 minutes. Two because they WOULD bot if CCP allowed it. I know, they claim they would NEVER bot. But the truth is, if CCP put a macro function into Eve that allowed them to automate their PvE, they would use it. For many, the whole point is to make ISK while doing something else. Many miners have moved so close to being bots they are indistinguishable to the observer. And the bots hide amongst them in clear sight as no one can tell the difference. So, finally, we get to the permits. Despite the clear history of the New Order where James has told us the permits exist because CCP REQUIRED James to create a profit aspect of the Code it serves another useful purpose. It allows us Agents to tell who is with us and who is against us. Who supports us and who supports the bot aspirants. When I see a miner without a permit I recognize him as someone who supports a safe highsec, afk play and bot aspirancy. I cheerfully bump or gank said player because he is the ENEMY of this game. For his own selfish reasons, he is willing to turn Eve into a theme-park. I, for one, will hunt down people like this and drive them wailing into the wilderness. Or back to their safe on-line games. Eve is better off without them. And I am definitely not roleplaying when I say this. Highsec is worth fighting for. Bing Bangboom Agent of the New Order of Highsec Belligerent Undesirable
Exactly this.
I encountered someone mining just a couple days ago on my scout. While slowboating my scout toward them, I looked at their bio and saw a permit listed there.
Solely because of that, I chose to gank a different miner in the same anomoly.
Their permit saved them a 160m Mackinaw plus whatever their fittings were worth (probably 15m) and cost one of their rivals a Covetor (~40m fitted).
This is not ISK Progressquest. And highsec is worth killing for. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1227
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Posted - 2014.03.20 04:11:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: Whiney Drivel. This is GD F&ID is elsewhere |
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
85
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Posted - 2014.03.20 05:40:00 -
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The best quote i have ever heard is 'All rules, laws, fears and boundaries are self imposed"
Yes laws are set up to impose a rule over people, but those laws only work so long as the person accepts the law. If this was not the case there would be no crimes because each person would accept the laws and the consequences for breaking them...ask a murderer next time if he thought about what the consequences of his actions were while in the act. I am fairly sure they were not thinking as they killed a person "Oh no i better stop or i might go to jail or get the death penalty" |
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
85
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Posted - 2014.03.20 05:45:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Bing Bangboom wrote: Despite the fine efforts of so many New Order members and supporters there is still such a vast sea of misunderstanding and ignorance out there. I know a lot of it is willfully refusing to accept that we mean what we say because "principle!" and "honor!" but some of it appears to be just plain not-getting-it. I think no one will argue with the statement that there are players in Eve who believe they should be able to safely PvE in highsec without interference from other players. These players are concentrated in three areas. 1) The players who AFK autopilot between systems, mainly haulers, 2) the players who run missions in expensive, over-fitted non-PvP ships and of course 3) the max yield ice and ore miners. They often compound their stupidity by doing these activities with pods full of expensive implants chosen to maximize their ISK generation. Each of these types of players thumbs their nose at the idea that they are doing something provably stupid, despite Eve's long history of separating these foolish people from their assets. None of this would be a problem if they didn't fly to the petition page and the forums ( and the comments section of www.minerbumping.com) to demand changes to the game that would prevent them from having to take actual actions themselves to prevent another sudden but justifiable loss of their precious ISK. And THAT wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't clear that CCP has been listening to them. In what is certainly an attempt to carve out a safe space for the risk adverse (and their subscriptions) we have seen numerous changes to highsec that have been obvious concessions to the "highsec should be safe" crowd. Increased EHP built into the mining ships, massive ore holds, CONCORD response times buffed, can-flipping agro changes, and, of all things, a safety button were put in to save the carebears from themselves and their dumb activities. And so, there is the New Order of Highsec. Pushing back. Not just against the players but the people who decide the things in the previous paragraphs were good ideas. Somebody care to explain how any of those things made Eve a better game? How it matches with the dark, dangerous universe? How it isn't something Blizzard would do? We say we are against the AFKers and the bot aspirants. Its what we call people who think highsec is or should be safe. We call them bot aspirants for two reasons. One because what they do is barely different from a bot, ie a click or two every 45 minutes. Two because they WOULD bot if CCP allowed it. I know, they claim they would NEVER bot. But the truth is, if CCP put a macro function into Eve that allowed them to automate their PvE, they would use it. For many, the whole point is to make ISK while doing something else. Many miners have moved so close to being bots they are indistinguishable to the observer. And the bots hide amongst them in clear sight as no one can tell the difference. So, finally, we get to the permits. Despite the clear history of the New Order where James has told us the permits exist because CCP REQUIRED James to create a profit aspect of the Code it serves another useful purpose. It allows us Agents to tell who is with us and who is against us. Who supports us and who supports the bot aspirants. When I see a miner without a permit I recognize him as someone who supports a safe highsec, afk play and bot aspirancy. I cheerfully bump or gank said player because he is the ENEMY of this game. For his own selfish reasons, he is willing to turn Eve into a theme-park. I, for one, will hunt down people like this and drive them wailing into the wilderness. Or back to their safe on-line games. Eve is better off without them. And I am definitely not roleplaying when I say this. Highsec is worth fighting for. Bing Bangboom Agent of the New Order of Highsec Belligerent Undesirable Exactly this. I encountered someone mining just a couple days ago on my scout. While slowboating my scout toward them, I looked at their bio and saw a permit listed there. Solely because of that, I chose to gank a different miner in the same anomoly. Their permit saved them a 160m Mackinaw plus whatever their fittings were worth (probably 15m) and cost one of their rivals a Covetor (~40m fitted). This is not ISK Progressquest. And highsec is worth killing for.
I would suggest to Bing that they need to take a chill pill because they are taking a game way too seriously |
Percival Rose
J44 Capital Axiom Initiative
15
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Posted - 2014.04.09 11:01:00 -
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Michael Ruckert wrote:Does anyone know if this is a corp? Anyone seen a mining ship with a New Order permit taken out? Or is this just a propaganda war? It's mostly propaganda. They don't have the numbers or the ISK New Order has. De you know who's going to inherit New Eden? Arms dealers. Because everyone else is too busy killing each other. |
Bunnie Hop
531
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Posted - 2014.04.09 13:40:00 -
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No matter how often I read 'New Order' I can't help but laugh... I am glad they are there just for the comedy of it all, though I think they are a bunch of delusional self important muppets. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3263
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:00:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:No matter how often I read 'New Order' I can't help but laugh... I am glad they are there just for the comedy of it all, though I think they are a bunch of delusional self important muppets.
Who, through their actions, have improved the safety and the standards of mining throughout HighSec
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
555
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:04:00 -
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Posting in the stealth Ero necro thread. |
Bunnie Hop
531
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:08:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:No matter how often I read 'New Order' I can't help but laugh... I am glad they are there just for the comedy of it all, though I think they are a bunch of delusional self important muppets. Who, through their actions, have improved the safety and the standards of mining throughout HighSec
I credit CCP with that when they redesigned the barges. Correct me if wrong, but that wasn't the result of N.O. but the Goons with their hulkageddon. N.O. is just...well...a James fan club run amok. |
Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
82
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:12:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote: The New Order have provided a vast amount of content for huge numbers of people in high sec. Content provision is a scam now? Mind blown.
What's with that "we provide content" that is cited like a mantra by anyone who does anything questionable?
Geez, stand by what you do. You blow up mining ships. While I personally find that boring and think that calling it "PvP" is bordering on offending anyone who ever flew a ship against something that shoots back it's a valid game play and thus your CCP-given right.
There is absolutely no need to hide behind some vague "content creation" excuse.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3263
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:15:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:
I credit CCP with that when the redesigned the barges. Correct me if wrong, but that wasn't the result of N.O. but the Goons with their hulkageddon. N.O. is just...well...a James fan club run amok.
Bunnie, those barges werent fitted to deal with ganks, only for yield, and the Procurer was underused and now its the single most popular hull due to the infamousness of New Order.
People watch DScan and local now far more than they did before.
You can deny it if you want, but NO is responsible for the mining community actually attempting to look after itself.
I simply dont see the logic in preferring your gankers to come without warning, and not wearing a big badges that says I AM A GANKER
I dont support the NO because I have any love for James (though, I dont have anything against him either, he has organised a better more cohesive group than 99% of the corps or alliances out there), I support it because it is demonstratably a good thing for High Sec industry. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Rikanin
30plus Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
84
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:23:00 -
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Anybody who buys a mining permit ... [sigh]
Really? |
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER CODE.
162
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:24:00 -
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Pytria Le'Danness wrote: What's with that "we provide content" that is cited like a mantra by anyone who does anything questionable?
Geez, stand by what you do. You blow up mining ships. While I personally find that boring and think that calling it "PvP" is bordering on offending anyone who ever flew a ship against something that shoots back it's a valid game play and thus your CCP-given right.
There is absolutely no need to hide behind some vague "content creation" excuse.
Just compare local chat in a system where a New Order Agent enforces the CODE and compare it to a system full of AFK miners without a New Order Agent. All this people suddenly interact where before was just silence and no one at the keyboards. That's what creating content means. We provide content for the biggest part of space in New Eden with the biggest population. That's why we are so important and well known.
I know that some not so well informed people out there in null think they should be the center of all attention. But who cares about null, the endgame is in highsec. |
Oshia Launay
Galactic Fringe Inc
5
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:55:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:People watch DScan and local now far more than they did before.
You can deny it if you want, but NO is responsible for the mining community actually attempting to look after itself. I'm not sure I get what you are trying to say here.
Praise to the rapists who make their victims carry pepper sprays with them to ward off future aggressions, that kind of thing ? |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
110
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Posted - 2014.04.09 15:06:00 -
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Alyth Nerun wrote:Pytria Le'Danness wrote: What's with that "we provide content" that is cited like a mantra by anyone who does anything questionable?
Geez, stand by what you do. You blow up mining ships. While I personally find that boring and think that calling it "PvP" is bordering on offending anyone who ever flew a ship against something that shoots back it's a valid game play and thus your CCP-given right.
There is absolutely no need to hide behind some vague "content creation" excuse.
Just compare local chat in a system where a New Order Agent enforces the CODE and compare it to a system full of AFK miners without a New Order Agent. All this people suddenly interact where before was just silence and no one at the keyboards. That's what creating content means. We provide content for the biggest part of space in New Eden with the biggest population. That's why we are so important and well known. I know that some not so well informed people out there in null think they should be the center of all attention. But who cares about null, the endgame is in highsec.
There can be genuine reasons for suicide ganking. For the New Order it is to stop AFK/ISBoxer/macro miners & mining fleets. For me it is to regulate mining in just one system so the belts are not wiped by, usually AFK, mining fleets operated by one or very few people.
For security reasons local chat isn't usually used for genuine communication so if local is used as you say in New Order systems that is interesting. I don't have a problem with the New Order as long as they only target AFK type miners. The miner bumping website isn't that good a read though although the guides on there are very good. |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
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Oshia Launay wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:People watch DScan and local now far more than they did before.
You can deny it if you want, but NO is responsible for the mining community actually attempting to look after itself. I'm not sure I get what you are trying to say here. Praise to the rapists who make their victims carry pepper sprays with them to ward off future aggressions, that kind of thing ?
That isn't really a true comparison is it. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Oshia Launay wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:People watch DScan and local now far more than they did before.
You can deny it if you want, but NO is responsible for the mining community actually attempting to look after itself. I'm not sure I get what you are trying to say here.
Willful ignorance is a poor thing to pretend to have.
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