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Shirley Serious
Gutter Press
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Posted - 2014.03.15 18:15:00 -
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The Minmatar tech corporation Boundless Creation has just revealed a gravity well generator one eighth the size of existing technologies.
As news spreads of this technological development, several citizens have expressed concern over the potential uses of this device, with citizens near the militia warzones particularly concerned.
"what if tribal terrorists use them to collapse planets in on themselves?" asked a concerned Ni-Kunni jewellery trader. "It'll all end in tears, so it will", said an Ealurian road sweeper. "I have every faith in the Imperial Navy to counter such Matari duplicity", said a Khanid fundamentalist extremist. "Artificial Gravity wells, eh? is that anything like the bottomless pit?", asked an Udorian teenage fashion model. "I tell you what, it's just one thing after another here", said an elderly Amarr churchman. "Go to the Bleak Lands, they said. Plenty of opportunity, they said. Blood Raiders, assassins, Minmatar terrorists, scoundrelous militiamen, on both sides, I tell you, and now there's artificial gravity bombs? I don't need to tell you what the Scriptures say about many hardships and closeness to God, why, with this sort of thing, God himself might as well be right here in the Bleak Lands. End Times? pah! they can't come quick enough if you ask me!"
The Imperial Navy has not yet commented officially regarding the potential terror uses of the device. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2220
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Posted - 2014.03.15 22:54:00 -
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I for one applaud Boundless Creation on their breakthrough. I hope this technogy is used for peaceful or at the very least, defensive purposes.
Boundless creation has always been one of my favorite ship builders, second only to CreoDron. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
934
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Posted - 2014.03.15 23:24:00 -
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They stole Caldari technology! Remember that Arekjaalan project, or how was it called? When minmatars took a Caldari scientist with a team, eh? They stole CALDARI technology!! |
Alica Wildfire
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
82
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Posted - 2014.03.15 23:47:00 -
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I can answer you the most important questions to this technology.
- Will the gravity well make us all geniuses or ultra rich? - NO, but maybe I get ultra rich by that I got connections to BC
- Will the gravity well make us all morons or ultra poor? - NO, unimportant as long as the rest get's hit worse than me
- Will the gravity well destroy industries? - YES, I hope those of the others
- Will the gravity well make us all better humans? - NO, the general direction is down
- Will the gravity well make us less caring? - NO, you can't care less than zero
- Will Minmatar teens use the gravity well for sex? - YES, who want's first?
- Were they going to have sex anyway? - YES, all teens do but the Amarrians. Amarrians actually don't have sex in their life. They let their Minmatar slaves do that and claim their babies as their heirs. If they are ugly enough. It's a question of diet.
- Will the gravity well destroy music? - NO, no but some music should be tested to make sure
- Will the gravity well destroy art? - NO, but you can throw it into the well and see
- But can't we go back to a time when - NO, well Boundless is working on a device that catapults you back in time, okay, you lose some skills doing that, but never mind
- Will the gravity well bring about world peace - I hope NOT, that would destroy my industry, which gets to point three
- Will the gravity well cause widespread alienation by creating a world of empty experiences? - we were already alienated
FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
246
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Posted - 2014.03.16 10:57:00 -
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I'm vaguely horrified by the prospects here, depending on the specifications and capabilities... |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
934
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Posted - 2014.03.16 11:17:00 -
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Alica Wildfire wrote:
Were they going to have sex anyway? - YES, all teens do but the Amarrians. What the... actual... You know, that sex is a process of making children. To bring up children you need first marriage. Having teens to marry and bring up children is highly inappropriate. To have sex and make children, they MUST reach first legal age of majority, and then have marriage. Only after these two conditions are met they are allowed to have sex.
Besides, the most important question you have missed:
Can the gravity well be used as a weapon?
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2223
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Posted - 2014.03.16 14:55:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:
Can the gravity well be used as a weapon?
Probably. However I'd imagine it wouldn't be for conventional warfare. The image in my mind is someone placing the gravity well inside a ship, docking in a station or flying near a large fleet, and letting hell loose.
That said, there are plenty of peaceful applications such as smaller gravity generators on stations, more efficient methods of interstellar travel, and so on.
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
49
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Posted - 2014.03.16 15:02:00 -
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Great news. Can't wait for the short-lived Minmatar patent terms to end so I can put my hands on this knowledge. The economic implications are also excellent, we can expect a short boom in profits for a while after it is put to use in industry and mining.
Diana Kim wrote: Can the gravity well be used as a weapon?
Diana, please. |
Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
83
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Posted - 2014.03.16 15:38:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:They stole Caldari technology! Remember that Arekjaalan project, or how was it called? When minmatars took a Caldari scientist with a team, eh? They stole CALDARI technology!!
i would like to remind you that it was EIfyr co. not Boundless creation |
Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
126
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Posted - 2014.03.16 15:49:00 -
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Naraish Adarn wrote: i would like to remind you that it was EIfyr co. not Boundless creation
Facts and Diana kim mix like matter and anti-matter.
It is best to just ignore any posting she may do.
Additionally, there is some speculation amongst the nullsec crowd that these smaller gravity well generators can be used to anchor new stargates. But of course Boundless has yet to release any specifications. -áFear The Tribes |
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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
120
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Posted - 2014.03.16 16:41:00 -
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I believe some of you should... "brush up" on your physics. You speak as if artificial gravity wells are new. But I'm sure every one of you have had at least some experience with cynosural fields in the past.
I'm not really a scientist or engineer myself, so I can't exactly see more general uses for this. But I do know of some uses for a potentially mobile cynosural field. Coupled with a greatly reduced footprint... |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
1588
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Posted - 2014.03.16 17:30:00 -
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Ignore the racist ramblings of Kim-baka. She thinks that only the State produces great minds capable of such technological innovation. When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
934
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Posted - 2014.03.16 17:40:00 -
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Naraish Adarn wrote:Diana Kim wrote:They stole Caldari technology! Remember that Arekjaalan project, or how was it called? When minmatars took a Caldari scientist with a team, eh? They stole CALDARI technology!! i would like to remind you that it was EIfyr co. not Boundless creation I am sorry! Look, all minmatars do look the same for me, even their corporation. You just don't have to look far for examples: take these Ayallah and Anabella Rella, both have same faces and all they can do is just spit groundless insults with lies and run from combat. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
934
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Posted - 2014.03.16 17:44:00 -
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Apollo Lyserius wrote:Great news. Can't wait for the short-lived Minmatar patent terms to end so I can put my hands on this knowledge. The economic implications are also excellent, we can expect a short boom in profits for a while after it is put to use in industry and mining. Diana Kim wrote: Can the gravity well be used as a weapon?
Diana, please. P.S.: Gravity wells can and are used for weapons and industry right now. This breakthrough means smaller gravity well generators which means smaller ships doing more. I don't think it will be enough for a Hulk generator to be fit on, say, a Skiff, but it's a step forward. You can expect a good use of these in salvaging purposes, as well as mining operations. Smartbombs, tractor beams, mining lasers, all rely on gravity physics. More specifically on gravitons. Which can be harnessed, between other means, through artificial gravity generators. They're also what allow you to walk in stations or ships withouth floating around because of Zero-G. Does this mean I will get a gravity well handgun? Or at least gravity well cannon for a frigate? Can you use this stuff to blow up whole planets? |
Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
49
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Posted - 2014.03.16 21:28:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote: Does this mean I will get a gravity well handgun? Or at least gravity well cannon for a frigate? Can you use this stuff to blow up whole planets?
Nope.
That's not how gravity wells are used as weapons. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2378
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Posted - 2014.03.17 01:18:00 -
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Neat! Who'd they steal it from? Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
128
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Posted - 2014.03.17 11:33:00 -
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Jennifer Maxwell wrote:I believe some of you should... "brush up" on your physics. You speak as if artificial gravity wells are new. But I'm sure every one of you have had at least some experience with cynosural fields in the past.
I'm not really a scientist or engineer myself, so I can't exactly see more general uses for this. But I do know of some uses for a potentially mobile cynosural field. Coupled with a greatly reduced footprint...
Perhaps we could produce ships that could 'jump' to those mobile cynosural beacons. Maybe even make 'covert' versions with this new technology that are undetectable...
Or maybe our physics are fine and you missed the shuttle. -áFear The Tribes |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6109
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Posted - 2014.03.17 16:20:00 -
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Hmmm. Depending on how exactly the technology develops, I could see two potential paths:
The first is a cynosural beacon probe; we may see sufficient miniaturization of the cynosural technology that it could be included as a payload on a warp-capable drone or probe.
The second is an improved ability to generate navigation waypoints for in-system warping, due to how our navigation systems handle warp geometry.
I suspect, though, that we won't see a breakthrough from Boundless Creations itself. Let's be honest. While Matari technology is perfectly capable, Boundless Creations hasn't proven itself a reliable provider of high technology research services. My recommendation to my Matari counterparts would be to solicit an established research partner such as Ishukone Okusaika, who will respect your joint claim to the intellectual property so generated. Priano Trans-Stellar is recruiting! Interested in nullsec combat? Research? Exploration? Contact Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2234
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Posted - 2014.03.17 16:37:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:
I suspect, though, that we won't see a breakthrough from Boundless Creations itself. Let's be honest. While Matari technology is perfectly capable, Boundless Creations hasn't proven itself a reliable provider of high technology research services. .
They wrote the algorithm used in virtually all tracking systems, supply the Republic Fleet with all of it's subsystems and practically saved the Minmatar economy. Now they just created the most efficient and compact gravity well to date. What are you talking about?
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
935
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Posted - 2014.03.17 17:33:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote: I suspect, though, that we won't see a breakthrough from Boundless Creations itself. Let's be honest. While Matari technology is perfectly capable, Boundless Creations hasn't proven itself a reliable provider of high technology research services.
In other words, they stole it.
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6109
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Posted - 2014.03.17 18:22:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:
I suspect, though, that we won't see a breakthrough from Boundless Creations itself. Let's be honest. While Matari technology is perfectly capable, Boundless Creations hasn't proven itself a reliable provider of high technology research services. .
They wrote the algorithm used in virtually all tracking systems, supply the Republic Fleet with all of it's subsystems and practically saved the Minmatar economy. Now they just created the most efficient and compact gravity well to date. What are you talking about?
And they also have a reputation for being an unexciting corporation routinely unable to deliver on ambitious prototypes. A bit of programming talent and some industrial backbone don't a research and development corporation make, Fred.
Priano Trans-Stellar is recruiting! Interested in nullsec combat? Research? Exploration? Contact Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. DARKNESS.
4357
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Posted - 2014.03.17 18:36:00 -
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Oh look, it's another "take a giant **** all over Minmatar research corporations with pretty much no reasonable justification" thread. Mane 614
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6109
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Posted - 2014.03.17 19:04:00 -
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When they show us something deliverable, I'll laud them. Until then, I'll suggest a perfectly natural and reasonable strategic partnership.
Considering the Okusaika's experience with Gallente imperialism during the Crielere project, they could do-- and are doing --a lot worse. Priano Trans-Stellar is recruiting! Interested in nullsec combat? Research? Exploration? Contact Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Cuci Cairi
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2014.03.17 19:28:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:When they show us something deliverable, I'll laud them. Until then, I'll suggest a perfectly natural and reasonable strategic partnership.
Considering the Okusaika's experience with Gallente imperialism during the Crielere project, they could do-- and are doing --a lot worse.
You don't think that information from breakthroughs are deliverable? -á |
Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
128
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Posted - 2014.03.17 19:29:00 -
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It is becoming very clear that Makoto is closer to Diana's level of fact-finding.
Because Boundless hasn't proven itself
I have a statue in Amarr I want to sell you. -áFear The Tribes |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6109
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Posted - 2014.03.17 19:43:00 -
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Cuci Cairi wrote:
You don't think that information from breakthroughs are deliverable?
A research and development firm can only profit when it takes a concept from prototype to product, and then competes effectively on the market with said product. I can't deny that Boundless Creations has a variety of advanced-technology ship designs on the market, but I don't see anything revolutionary about any of their designs; they simply look like fairly well engineered combat ships. The Muninn sees a fair use, sure, but beyond that...? You're more likely to see Core Complexion designs in specialist roles, for instance.
So.
As it stands, I think of Boundless Creation as a fairly staid, unremarkable weapons manufacturing firm, which still needs to demonstrate that it can take an advanced technology concept and bring it to the market in a way that up-ends the market.
Right now, we have an instance of commendable miniaturization, and a promise that this technology has many civilian and military applications.
Very nice.
Now, show me the products and bring them to market in a way that makes me go, "Without Boundless Creation, I could not have done this," whatever this is. Priano Trans-Stellar is recruiting! Interested in nullsec combat? Research? Exploration? Contact Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2239
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Posted - 2014.03.17 19:48:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:
And they also have a reputation for being an unexciting corporation routinely unable to deliver on ambitious prototypes. A bit of programming talent and some industrial backbone don't a research and development corporation make, Fred.
What prototypes? I've had significant trouble digging up any information about failed prototypes. And if everything I mentioned don't qualify them as a research and development company then what exactly would? It's apparent they clearly do plenty of both.
To me it sounds less like you are interested in supporting a fledgling company, and more interested in swiping their products and profits. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6109
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:01:00 -
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Fred, businesses don't operate as a charity; I'd expect this of neither Boundless Creation nor Ishukone Okusaika. Neither of us should negotiate a deal unless we both have something to gain from it. Yes, then, profit is my motive. But it should also be the Matari motive.
Further, it's not enough to have prototypes; one must be able to then develop them. Otherwise, you're generating intellectual property that molders in a database somewhere. Research and development, done properly, is resource-intensive; unless it generates products and thus profits, it can be a tremendous drain on one's ledgers.
That said, consult the Galnet brief for a discussion of the corporation's history.
Priano Trans-Stellar is recruiting! Interested in nullsec combat? Research? Exploration? Contact Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Cuci Cairi
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:06:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote: Now, show me the products and bring them to market in a way that makes me go, "Without Boundless Creation, I could not have done this," whatever this is.
I assume you realize that there is often a period of time between breakthrough and production, yes? You are demanding marketable products the second a breakthrough is realized. That is silly.
You also fail to provide any information about their past prototypes or research that failed to deliver utility. -á |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6109
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:13:00 -
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Maker. Yes. Obviously there's lead-time. Cairi, consult the link above and get back to me. Priano Trans-Stellar is recruiting! Interested in nullsec combat? Research? Exploration? Contact Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
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