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Nalelmir Ahashion
Omen Industries -Entropy-
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Posted - 2014.03.20 14:19:00 -
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Started actually as a joke on our corp channel doing some EFT tests...
here is a max yield Rokh:
[Rokh, minerokh] Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade
[empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Drone Mining Augmentor I
Mining Drone II x5
- You got enough pg\cpu here to fit u a tank but I'm just testing a fittable max yield with skills at V setup. So this baby got base yield of: 1498m3 ores \ minute with maxed boosts: 1613m3 ores \ minute.
pros: no tank at all u start with over 43k EHP, no need for mining crystals, can target 8 rocks, cycle time is only 60 seconds. Cons: stupid idea, managing 8 different lasers + drones, skill dependent, no ore bay need to jettison after each cycle pretty much...
now let's take the skiff (doing BS comparison after all...)...
Skeleton for max yield all skills V:
[Skiff, skheef] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
[empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I
Mining Drone II x5
- plenty of fitting options.... without tank starts with something like 39k EHP base yield without boosts: 1504m3 ores minute with full skills V boosts: 1624m3 ores per minute
Pros: minimal gain in yield but it's mostly due to the drones.. without them less yield then the rokh. Tanky and easy to fit, Strip miners, smaller hull, bigger ore bay. Cons: 180 sec cycle, Using crystals, only 1 target... if the rock is empty mid way you wasted time...
so according to this a Battleship can gain same yield as the mack\skiff while being a BS ofc... also takes much less time to train for and no more afk screen watching need to actually manage all the lasers and jettison stuff - > interactive mining. Also please note this are without highwall\michi's implants which will increase the yield even more....
Let lol's commence. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
312
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Posted - 2014.03.20 14:26:00 -
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...honestly not sure what point you're trying to make. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omen Industries -Entropy-
194
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Posted - 2014.03.20 14:30:00 -
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well I thought mining ships should be superior to all other hulls while mining... from our in-corp joking session it seems with some skills\mods combo BS with just normal mining lasers can get around same yield of exhumer while still being BS (tanky and all the drone bay etc...) "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
312
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Posted - 2014.03.20 14:35:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:well I thought mining ships should be superior to all other hulls while mining... from our in-corp joking session it seems with some skills\mods combo BS with just normal mining lasers can get around same yield of exhumer while still being BS (tanky and all the drone bay etc...) Can't be bothered to verify the yield numbers, but you've got a BS with 2+ billion in mining upgrade modules and enough CPU left for a single meta shield hardener as a tank. Have fun with that. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omen Industries -Entropy-
194
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Posted - 2014.03.20 14:52:00 -
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was just testing maxed out options... it is obviously not viable to fly but in theory possible... Let's test now with my current skills fits I can use now and what stats I get....
1: Rokh [Rokh, minerokh] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Photonic CPU Enhancer I Photonic CPU Enhancer I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Drone Mining Augmentor I
Mining Drone II x5
EHP: 70k Base Yield: 1246m3 ore per minute full boosts: 1343m3 ore per minute
2. Skiff [Skiff, skheef] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Limited Explosive Deflection Field I Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I
Mining Drone II x5
-51k EHP base yield: 1480m3 per minute full boosts: 1600m3 per minute
Again we can see here that overall for same\bit cheaper isk wise and much less skills intensive to get into about same yield more or less and without implants ofc. the downside mostly as I see it is the need with the BS to jettison pretty much every cycle and the need to split the lasers into 4 groups of 2 and make sure only 2 of them finish each time so u can jettison so u won't lose ores. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
20
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:31:00 -
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This used to be the standard way to mine.
The Apoc used to be the best miner in the game due to being the only ship with 8 turret hardpoints and 7 lows for mining upgrades and CPU mods.
This was back before dedicated mining ships of course.
Hell, I used to go to Yulai, put a single miner I on a badger MK II, lock the biggest veldspar roid I could find, then go to sleep. When I woke up in the morning I would SOMETIMES have a full hold worth a couple hundred thousand isk...lol Vacuums suck. |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
312
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:36:00 -
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*shrug* Ok, it's viable. Assuming your numbers are right, you have a ship that mines 15% slower than the worst-case Exhumer and has to be emptied every 15 seconds. Doesn't sound like my idea of fun, personally. Can you get close to that yield with a T1 Mining Barge? |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omen Industries -Entropy-
194
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:46:00 -
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Hmm it's very important for me to make it clear that I think that those BS mining fits are only for lols and no way I'll take them seriously while I got access to exhumers and mining barrages.
But it's kinda funny u can manage same yield more or less and now with MTU u can do active BS mining and once every 30 seconds u jettison ur ores to the mtu.... once it full u can drop second MTU maybe and then come back with indy to pick up 58k m3 of ores in much less training time I guess...
Let's check how much I get with procurer...
[Procurer, Not Skiff] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I
Mining Drone II x5
- this fit is something usable with my current skills. EHP 42k base yield: 1445m3 \ minute full boosts: 1561m3 \ minute again downside is the fact u must focus on 1 rock with your entire yield so many times u actually get less then the stated above numbers due to small roids sizes.
"What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
312
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:52:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:again downside is the fact u must focus on 1 rock with your entire yield so many times u actually get less then the stated above numbers due to small roids sizes. Survey scanner remedies that, and it's probably less work to manage than having to dump your cargo so often. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omen Industries -Entropy-
194
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:54:00 -
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I don't like survey scanners much.... I think that with the huge gigantic ore pull u get with a mining ship u can just mine side to side the whole belt and call it a day. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
241
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:54:00 -
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Stop, stop, stop.
You won't even get one cycle completed before you have to empty your cargo hold. You're going to have to replace about 1/2 of your mining upgrades with cargo expanders, and then mine like a hulk/coveter (jet can).
It'll cut your yield at least in half, and you'll have to move ore to the can at least every 120 seconds, most likely every 60.
If you want to ********** with sandpaper go for it. If I'm mining it's because I want to make some cash afk while I'm reading or cleaning the house.
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Nalelmir Ahashion
Omen Industries -Entropy-
194
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:05:00 -
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Noxisia Arkana wrote:Stuff
1. don't afk mine. 2. Don't afk while mining. 3. please be at your keyboard while you do mining.
After we finished that part I'll again share that this was a joke we had on our corp chat today and while testing with EFT I was surprised with how big ore pulls u can get with Rokh (Combat Battleship!) so hence I shared a joke.
About cycle times...
you basically split the lasers in group of 2 so u got total of 5 rocks targeted...
Drones \ 2 lasers A \ 2 Lasers B \ 2 Lasers C \ 2 Lasers D
you just send the drones and ignore them to boost the process.... Activate Laser A+B and wait 30 seconds until they finish 50% cycle. Activate lasers C+D.
Now your lasers will fill the hangar more or less every 30 seconds (in theory) where you just keep jettison after each group\drones finish a cycle.
Doable, different but not impossible. Again not the best or even worth thinking about but for the joke it was worth making the calculations. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
312
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:20:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:I don't like survey scanners much.... I think that with the huge gigantic ore pull u get with a mining ship u can just mine side to side the whole belt and call it a day. Survey scanner doesn't stop you from doing that, it helps you do it more quickly. |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
312
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:26:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:Again not the best or even worth thinking about but for the joke it was worth making the calculations. I guess the reason people aren't laughing along is what Last Wolf said... BS mining used to be the status quo. And even as recently as before Barge/Exhumer tiericide, I think a mining BS could get better yield than a Procurer and about equivalent to a Retriever. Since tiericide, though, there just isn't really a good reason to justify it. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Cruis3r's Cr3w Inc. Margin of Silence
85
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:42:00 -
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Zor'katar wrote:Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:Again not the best or even worth thinking about but for the joke it was worth making the calculations. I guess the reason people aren't laughing along is what Last Wolf said... BS mining used to be the status quo. And even as recently as before Barge/Exhumer tiericide, I think a mining BS could get better yield than a Procurer and about equivalent to a Retriever. Since tiericide, though, there just isn't really a good reason to justify it.
only reason i can see is corp mining op and u can only field a mining bs else yeap u r right no use for them.
[Rokh, lol mining]
8x Miner II
2x Large Shield Extender II 100MN Afterburner II Upgraded Thermic Dissipation Amplifier I 2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Co-Processor II 3x Mining Laser Upgrade II Expanded Cargohold II
2x Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Cargohold Optimization I
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Eyana Starstruck
The Scope Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2014.03.20 17:06:00 -
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Ok I must be missing something
With all V I am getting these numbers from these fits:
Skiff
Mining laser upgrade IIx2
Adaptive inv field IIx2 Em ward amp II Medium shield extender IIx2
Modulated strip miner II
medium core defense field extender Ix2
with 5 mining drones II
Yield is 1541 with veldspar II crystal and has 72k ehp on 234 sig
Rokh
While when i fit the fit already posted I get 83k ehp with 1315 yield with drones and all and sig of 521
Not to mention the faster align time of skiff and greater hold |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cataclysmic Paradox
141
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:15:00 -
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My eyes are bleeding. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1890
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:18:00 -
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Why is it funny/a joke? Many of us old timers remember mining in battleships when that's all we had. During the height of Hulkageddon (before it became a joke) plenty of people mined in battleships. Back when I still mined occassionally I would use a Rokh during HG. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omen Industries -Entropy-
194
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:22:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Why is it funny/a joke? Many of us old timers remember mining in battleships when that's all we had. During the height of Hulkageddon (before it became a joke) plenty of people mined in battleships. Back when I still mined occassionally I would use a Rokh during HG.
I'm young clone here didn't basked in that glory... "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2014.03.20 19:45:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Why is it funny/a joke? Many of us old timers remember mining in battleships when that's all we had. During the height of Hulkageddon (before it became a joke) plenty of people mined in battleships. Back when I still mined occassionally I would use a Rokh during HG.
Yeah. I only refit my old mining Rokh about a year ago. It used to be that the most common mining ships you'd see would be the Hulk & the Rokh. Hulk for max yield, Rokh for safety. You could not be AFK back then... Had to move ore into the jet-can almost constantly. |
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Melekhar Tazinas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2014.03.20 21:23:00 -
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You have a weird definition of "Max Boosts". A Mindlink will push the foreman bonus to 15%. A maxed Orca will cut the cycle time to... around 40 seconds.
Managing that with so little cargospace would make me go bonkers within a half-hour. :I |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
257
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Posted - 2014.03.21 13:24:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:The Apoc used to be the best miner in the game due to being the only ship with 8 turret hardpoints and 7 lows for mining upgrades and CPU mods.
Except that when the Apoc was one of the best miners* there were no mining upgrades.
* The Domi was arguably better if you were willing to run 15 Harvester mining drones because it could still fit other things... like a tank. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omen Industries -Entropy-
194
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Posted - 2014.03.21 14:00:00 -
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hahahaha 15 harvester drones.... "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
264
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Posted - 2014.03.21 15:28:00 -
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OP you are an idiot. A properly fit Skiff will
1. Mine faster and than a Rokh 2. Have more tank against ganking than a Rokh 3. Hold more Ore than a Rokh 4. Travel faster (in warp, without, aligning) than a Rokh 5. Cost less than a Rokh
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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
959
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Posted - 2014.03.21 16:07:00 -
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An addition to the set up, bring a mobile depot to drop the ore into, and a mobile tractor unit to grab cans of ore that you toss out of the depot every time it gets close to being full.
This has the added benefit of giving bored fight club members something to shoot at while they try to get a Limited engagement.
Joking of course, but imagining a line of these ships grinding ore, it's either absurd or hysterical IDK which.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1015
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Posted - 2014.03.21 17:09:00 -
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The trick is to do it in style with a Vindicator. Then at least you have something to brag about when barge better at mining tell you you are doing it wrong.
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
353
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Posted - 2014.03.21 19:29:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:hahahaha 15 harvester drones....
Why is that funny?
Anyway, I remember mining in a Stabber to buy my first BS.
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LAZMAN
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:35:00 -
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Back in my day battleship mining was the only mining |
LAZMAN
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:38:00 -
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Back in my day battleship mining was the only mining |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
209
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:48:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:hahahaha 15 harvester drones.... Why is that funny?
130 million per drone > mine for a day only to lose all profits to a rat frigate nuking your 130 mill drone? "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
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