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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
417
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Posted - 2014.03.23 19:36:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Where's your proof? My proof is in the proposed changes.
Tippia wrote:Who's denying it will benefit null? You are. If not, present a list of how the changes benefit null. Right now. If you don't, there is no proof that you do not deny it.
Tippia wrote:Why were you so insistent on finding out who's losing out if it didn't bother you? I'm not bothered by the changes.I already know who's losing out. My list clearly shows that :)
Tippia wrote:Reposting your wholly disproven list does not answer those questions. No, but I just answered them above. Check mate!
And again, the list of which you have not disproven even ONE entry:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Beneficiaries of the change are: -Null entities capable of financing the refinery efficiency installations -Null sec entitites with renters who now have some degree of added incentive to mine, refine and provide resources to null domestically. -Those renters, to some degree, depending on how sov owners adjust their rent, access to facilities, protection and possivle incenrive programs to ensure a greater flow of minerals from null domestically. -POS owners with compression capability throughout the universe. -Null sec entitites with the infrastructure to manufacture and sell products both to high sec markets, and also some null markets.
Those who stand to lose from the changes are:: -Reprossecors. -Mission/rat/plex runners -Entities currently dependant on what mission/rat/plex runners bring in. -High sec industrialists who now have to compete with null industrialists who have a wider margin owing to the better refinement efficiency in their native space -Miners without personal access to advanced refining facilities, in high sec as their raw output will be suppressed by the margins of compression services, in null sec because you will have to pay for the privilege as rent, which suppresses your profits. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20205
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Posted - 2014.03.23 19:36:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Sorry Tippia, did you say something? Yes Where's your proof? Who's denying it will benefit null? Why were you so insistent on finding out who's losing out if it didn't bother you?
Reposting your wholly disproven list does not answer those questions. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2719
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Posted - 2014.03.23 19:38:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Nobody has disproven that reprocessors lose. Nobody has disproven that mission/rat/plex runners lose Nobody has disproven that those dependant on what they bring in lose. Nobody has disproven that high sec mindustrialists nownhave to compete with nulls 20%incressed mineral yield Nobody has disproven (and infact Baltec1 has confirmed it in Dev thread) that miners without refining or access to a refinery lose out.
Tippia, you have done none of those things ;) Not one, but keep repeating your stonewalling, and I will just continue repeating the list till you do. That is not a problem for me and each time the list comes uo, I know you **** your pants that someone might read it and you try to gish it under again. Wont work! :D
The funny thing though, is there is nothing shameful or that needs "hiding" in the list. Its just an assessment of the repercussions of the changes. I am not disputing that the changes should be made, and that is up to CCP anyways, who's judgement I atleast superficially trust in (else I wouldn't be playing).
Just let it be Tippia. The list is "fine". No need to get your knickers in a mix that someone might actually read it and recognise what the changes actually entail. lol, and that;s your problem. As far as you are concerned people need to provide you evidence against these things, which you actually bother to read and accept. And it's your decision as to whether or not those points are valid. In the meantime you have to provide no evidence, in fact you've not even provided evidence that such a group as "reprocessors" even exist as a standalone path.
Your list is both inaccurate and incomplete. I really couldn't care less whether or not you agree.
And yeah, you're right. These changes will happen anyway. So why all the tears? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
406
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Posted - 2014.03.23 19:40:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:OK, so by #1, you mean mercoxit, and that's not at all scalable.
I'm also not entirely sure where you got your figures from, because from the market data it works out to be ~150% ark to veld. veldspar is also one of the lowest tier ores, so you are comparing the highest possible ore in null with one of the the lowest possible ores in high? It doesn't surprise me you are getting a large gap. It certainly doesn't translate directly to income though, since the resulting materials need to be shipped for sale.
Stop having such a fit about passive income. If you don't like it, leave. Stop crying that because you picked a choice which actively goes against using passive income that you are so hard done by.
The only thing SRP covers is my wartime ships by the way. The reason I'm rolling in isk is because I put in the effort to actually learn my trade and do things right. Bear in mind that has happened since well before I was a member of a nullsec group. I still actively run and fund operations in both high and low sec space.
Im talking about profitability. Veldspar has the highest profitability of all ores in this game. It is for all intents and purposes the measuring stick of what constitutes valuation in mining and production. Its Isk/m3 is the best overall value in HS, just as Merc is the best overall value in NS. NS mining has a higher overall profitability than HS by an average of 213% assuming you are clearing out all the highends vs that of all the lowends in HS.
Personally I don't care what YOU do. It is the other 100K dudes who don't use the space they have. Thousands of unused systems, every single day, and yet despite CCP making NS the most profitable region of space for every single activity, no one uses the space. Why. They don't need to. As long as SRP pays pilots ways then they don't need to farm to replace what they lose. SRP backbone is in Passive income sources of Moon and Planets.
If CCP wants people to mine/refine/produce in NS then they need to fix the actual bottle neck...which is essentially free "income" streams from passive sources. People don't have to mine, or PVE at all in NS to get by. So they don't.
(unless getting by is generating enough belt rat bounty to plex their accounts) |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
417
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Posted - 2014.03.23 19:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Where's your proof? My proof is in the proposed changes.
Tippia wrote:Who's denying it will benefit null? You are. If not, present a list of how the changes benefit null. Right now. If you don't, there is no proof that you do not deny it.
Tippia wrote:Why were you so insistent on finding out who's losing out if it didn't bother you? I'm not bothered by the changes.I already know who's losing out. My list clearly shows that :)
Tippia wrote:Reposting your wholly disproven list does not answer those questions. No, but I just answered them above. Check mate!
@Lucas: I don't see any evidence there disproving any of part of the list.
And again, the list of which you have not disproven even ONE entry:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Beneficiaries of the change are: -Null entities capable of financing the refinery efficiency installations -Null sec entitites with renters who now have some degree of added incentive to mine, refine and provide resources to null domestically. -Those renters, to some degree, depending on how sov owners adjust their rent, access to facilities, protection and possivle incenrive programs to ensure a greater flow of minerals from null domestically. -POS owners with compression capability throughout the universe. -Null sec entitites with the infrastructure to manufacture and sell products both to high sec markets, and also some null markets.
Those who stand to lose from the changes are:: -Reprossecors. -Mission/rat/plex runners -Entities currently dependant on what mission/rat/plex runners bring in. -High sec industrialists who now have to compete with null industrialists who have a wider margin owing to the better refinement efficiency in their native space -Miners without personal access to advanced refining facilities, in high sec as their raw output will be suppressed by the margins of compression services, in null sec because you will have to pay for the privilege as rent, which suppresses your profits. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
1059
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Posted - 2014.03.23 19:46:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Nobody has disproven that reprocessors lose. Nobody has disproven that mission/rat/plex runners lose Nobody has disproven that those dependant on what they bring in lose. Nobody has disproven that high sec mindustrialists nownhave to compete with nulls 20%incressed mineral yield Nobody has disproven (and infact Baltec1 has confirmed it in Dev thread) that miners without refining or access to a refinery lose out.
Tippia, you have done none of those things ;) Not one, but keep repeating your stonewalling, and I will just continue repeating the list till you do. That is not a problem for me and each time the list comes uo, I know you **** your pants that someone might read it and you try to gish it under again. Wont work! :D
The funny thing though, is there is nothing shameful or that needs "hiding" in the list. Its just an assessment of the repercussions of the changes. I am not disputing that the changes should be made, and that is up to CCP anyways, who's judgement I atleast superficially trust in (else I wouldn't be playing).
Just let it be Tippia. The list is "fine". No need to get your knickers in a mix that someone might actually read it and recognise what the changes actually entail.
Here's an idea: You prove that they lose, and lose a material ammount not "this guy loses 6 isk an hour", and then I'll take you seriously. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20205
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Posted - 2014.03.23 19:49:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:My proof is in the proposed changes. Eh, no. They don't prove anything of the kind. Hell, you don't even know what they're supposed to prove any more because you've got so tangled up in trying to dance around the question.
Prove it (I'll save you some trouble, though: you can't. Because nothing of the kind has ever been said other than by you in one of your innumerable strawman arguments.)
Quote:I'm not bothered by the changes.I already know who's losing out. So why were you so insistent on finding out?
Quote:No, but I just answered them above. Not really, no. Or well, yes, you provided answers. They were incorrect, incomplete, or completely irrelevant though. Some proper answers would be really nice.
Quote:I don't see any evidence there disproving any of part of the list. You know that you explicitly acknowledge and accepted it the first time it happened, right, and that you're just lying now? Also, you understand that your list is false by default since you have not been able to prove any part of it correct, right? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2719
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Posted - 2014.03.23 19:50:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Im talking about profitability. Veldspar has the highest profitability of all ores in this game. It is for all intents and purposes the measuring stick of what constitutes valuation in mining and production. Its Isk/m3 is the best overall value in HS, just as Merc is the best overall value in NS. NS mining has a higher overall profitability than HS by an average of 213% assuming you are clearing out all the highends vs that of all the lowends in HS. And I disagree with your measurements. As far as I can see it's a vastly inflated figure.
Mario Putzo wrote:Personally I don't care what YOU do. It is the other 100K dudes who don't use the space they have. Thousands of unused systems, every single day, and yet despite CCP making NS the most profitable region of space for every single activity, no one uses the space. Why. They don't need to. As long as SRP pays pilots ways then they don't need to farm to replace what they lose. SRP backbone is in Passive income sources of Moon and Planets. If null is so unused, why are the top 10 systems for NPC kills in the past 24 hours all in null: 1.Z-M5A1 (Period Basis)24977 2.NC-N3F (Deklein)21461 3.MVUO-F (Period Basis)19430 4.1M7-RK (Cobalt Edge)17384 5.S-DN5M (Deklein)17338 6.RO-AIQ (Oasa)16661 7.89-JPE (Etherium Reach)16141 8.30-D5G (Tenal)15406 9.UVHO-F (Querious)14631 10.P3X-TN (Malpais)14212
SRP only covers war losses for most groups. And if null groups were forced into smaller spaces, they'd only attract more attackers. Spreading out is a method of ensuring security, and is a choice that null alliances can make. If you don;t like it, go kick them out. But you can't You'd rather cry and cry until CCP come and kick people out of their space so you can live in a bit of your own. And you know what would happen? We'd kick you out and you'd be back to crying.
And if passive income was removed, we'd just have increased taxes and push for more renters, and the list above shows why we would continue to thrive without a problem. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2719
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Posted - 2014.03.23 19:52:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Tippia wrote:Where's your proof? My proof is in the proposed changes. Tippia wrote:Who's denying it will benefit null? You are. If not, present a list of how the changes benefit null. Right now. If you don't, there is no proof that you do not deny it. Tippia wrote:Why were you so insistent on finding out who's losing out if it didn't bother you? I'm not bothered by the changes.I already know who's losing out. My list clearly shows that :) Tippia wrote:Reposting your wholly disproven list does not answer those questions. No, but I just answered them above. Check mate! @Lucas: I don't see any evidence there disproving any of part of the list. And again, the list of which you have not disproven even ONE entry: I've given as much evidence against your list as you have given for it. Then on top of that, I have first hand knowledge of the subject matter, while you do not.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
417
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Posted - 2014.03.23 19:58:00 -
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Still not a single item disproven:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Beneficiaries of the change are: -Null entities capable of financing the refinery efficiency installations -Null sec entitites with renters who now have some degree of added incentive to mine, refine and provide resources to null domestically. -Those renters, to some degree, depending on how sov owners adjust their rent, access to facilities, protection and possivle incenrive programs to ensure a greater flow of minerals from null domestically. -POS owners with compression capability throughout the universe. -Null sec entitites with the infrastructure to manufacture and sell products both to high sec markets, and also some null markets.
Those who stand to lose from the changes are:: -Reprossecors. -Mission/rat/plex runners -Entities currently dependant on what mission/rat/plex runners bring in. -High sec industrialists who now have to compete with null industrialists who have a wider margin owing to the better refinement efficiency in their native space -Miners without personal access to advanced refining facilities, in high sec as their raw output will be suppressed by the margins of compression services, in null sec because you will have to pay for the privilege as rent, which suppresses your profits. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20210
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:00:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Still not a single item disproven: Still incorrect. Now, would you like to have a second go at providing proper answers to those questions? I mean, the second one is easy GÇö you can just admit that you were wrong, but #1 and #3 remain. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Arduemont
The State of War. Vendetta Mercenary Group
3142
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:00:00 -
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This change has been a long time coming. Its a buff to more or less everyone but people refining their loot, which has always been a horrible injustice for the industrial guys and has needed needing since forever.
I whine about CCPs choices fairly regularly, but they're doing a good thing here by everyone. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2720
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:02:00 -
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No matter how many times you spam your list, it will not suddenly be validated. Do you not see the hypocrisy in your providing a list based on know evidence and not even first hand knowledge, then claiming that others must disprove it by providing evidence of the effect of changes that will happen in the future?
Post constructively or don't post. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
417
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:03:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:This change has been a long time coming. Its a buff to more or less everyone but people refining their loot, which has always been a horrible injustice for the industrial guys and has needed needing since forever.
Ironically, the industrial guys where using the same reprocessing efficiency as a tool to recycle their own products though. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20210
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:03:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Arduemont wrote:This change has been a long time coming. Its a buff to more or less everyone but people refining their loot, which has always been a horrible injustice for the industrial guys and has needed needing since forever. Ironically, the industrial guys where using the same reprocessing efficiency as a tool to recycle their own products though. That's not really ironic, so much as a problem that was in dire need of fixing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Arduemont
The State of War. Vendetta Mercenary Group
3142
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:09:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:No matter how many times you spam your list, it will not suddenly be validated. Do you not see the hypocrisy in your providing a list based on know evidence and not even first hand knowledge, then claiming that others must disprove it by providing evidence of the effect of changes that will happen in the future?
Post constructively or don't post.
As someone who has spent a great deal of their time working in and studying research science, it has always annoyed me when people throw around the words 'proof' and 'evidence' when they clearly don't know what they mean. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
417
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:10:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Is there a single thing you won't argue?
I bet you are sitting there beaming from ear to ear every time you post, right? "Look at how amazing I am! I'm posting on the interwebs!".
And yet another example of irony.
You completely overlook, conveniently, the fact that it was Tippia who began arguing my use of the word "ironic", and attack me for it instead.
1-2 combo, eh? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20210
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:15:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:The term "ironic" fits it perfectly. GǪaside from the lack of irony. It is exactly what you'd expect them to do since it benefitted them just as much as, or even more than, others. Their using it doesn't remove the injustice of having their domain intruded upon by all and sundry.
Quote:And please, stop with the like farming with alts. I'd have to start before I'd be in a position to stop.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2720
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:16:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Is there a single thing you won't argue?
I bet you are sitting there beaming from ear to ear every time you post, right? "Look at how amazing I am! I'm posting on the interwebs!". And yet another example of irony. You completely overlook, conveniently, the fact that it was Tippia who began arguing my use of the word "ironic", and attack me for it instead. 1-2 combo, eh? It wasn't an attack. Yet again you see attacks where there are none. It's a simple statement of the facts presented.
And Tippia was simply stating that it's not irony that the change affected industry reporcessing, it's actually one of the intended changes. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Emuar
Vak'Atioth War Veterans
16
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:16:00 -
[920] - Quote
Tippia is pamphleteer. We all know this.
Great that we have ignore option in game...
The mind is a constant. Unfortunately the number of people increases every year.... |
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
417
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:17:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:As someone who has spent a great deal of their time working in and studying research science, it has always annoyed me when people throw around the words 'proof' and 'evidence' when they clearly don't know what they mean.
I agree completely.
Yet these two idiots try to ask for proof for the repercussions of a changes that have not even happened yet. Its like asking someone to prove what the weather is like tomorrow. You can't. You can only predict with a margin of error.
Then when the weatherman explains this to them, they yell YOU ARE WRONG, without being able to disprove the projection themselves, anymore than the meteorologist can prove it until the next day actually arrives and the weather does indeed behave as he predicted. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
218
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:20:00 -
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I keep checking in the hope that this thread will just die. But again I am disappointed. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
417
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:20:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:And Tippia was simply stating that it's not irony that the change affected industry reporcessing, it's actually one of the intended changes.
It is both an intended change, but it is also ironic in the context it was expressed in. She argued that. You then accused me of arguing when it was her who had done so.
Sequence of events and proper assignment of responsibility. How does it work. I know she's your tag-mate, but you don't have to make it so bloody obvious. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
406
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:21:00 -
[924] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Im talking about profitability. Veldspar has the highest profitability of all ores in this game. It is for all intents and purposes the measuring stick of what constitutes valuation in mining and production. Its Isk/m3 is the best overall value in HS, just as Merc is the best overall value in NS. NS mining has a higher overall profitability than HS by an average of 213% assuming you are clearing out all the highends vs that of all the lowends in HS. And I disagree with your measurements. As far as I can see it's a vastly inflated figure. Mario Putzo wrote:Personally I don't care what YOU do. It is the other 100K dudes who don't use the space they have. Thousands of unused systems, every single day, and yet despite CCP making NS the most profitable region of space for every single activity, no one uses the space. Why. They don't need to. As long as SRP pays pilots ways then they don't need to farm to replace what they lose. SRP backbone is in Passive income sources of Moon and Planets. If null is so unused, why are the top 10 systems for NPC kills in the past 24 hours all in null: 1.Z-M5A1 (Period Basis)24977 2.NC-N3F (Deklein)21461 3.MVUO-F (Period Basis)19430 4.1M7-RK (Cobalt Edge)17384 5.S-DN5M (Deklein)17338 6.RO-AIQ (Oasa)16661 7.89-JPE (Etherium Reach)16141 8.30-D5G (Tenal)15406 9.UVHO-F (Querious)14631 10.P3X-TN (Malpais)14212 SRP only covers war losses for most groups. And if null groups were forced into smaller spaces, they'd only attract more attackers. Spreading out is a method of ensuring security, and is a choice that null alliances can make. If you don;t like it, go kick them out. But you can't You'd rather cry and cry until CCP come and kick people out of their space so you can live in a bit of your own. And you know what would happen? We'd kick you out and you'd be back to crying. And if passive income was removed, we'd just have increased taxes and push for more renters, and the list above shows why we would continue to thrive without a problem.
I could run a list of entire regions that show several used systems and dozens of unused systems I did so the other day in the Dev comments thread discussing this very thing here. As a member of the CFC I am sure you see first hand the increase and decrease in numbers during wartime and off war time. Everyone in EVE can see it so I am sure it is easy for you. Why is that? Because people don't have to worry about paying their own way. As long as they show up they get their ships covered and in the case of GSF double reimbursement! Make money dying space friends.
As for forcing null groups into smaller spaces the only negative aspect is more people will come fight them?
Its funny that you accuse me of crying and crying to kick CFC out of their space. I could care less who owns the space that I use daily to plex/anom in because it is empty. Infact having the CFC in the state it is has been nothing but beneficial to my wallet. I romp and run all over Tribute and Vale farming in the most profitable space. If Null groups were forced to hold only space they could reasonably control then this would be a big detractor to me personally, and numerous other people who live in lowsec who make all their money in unused nullsec space.
Fact is Passive income allows Alliances to far exceed their realistic control range. This is bad game mechanics. Allowing groups like CFC to project across 3/4 of EVE when under realistic ACTIVE participation in the game they would not be able to do so. Heck most of the alliances in CFC and N3 would not be capable of holding space on their own without the big hitters supporting them, and the only reason they can do that is because of passive mechanics.
Defending passive income mechanics because "we might get shot at" is a very very poor defense, especially when you crow about Risk/Reward being the important balancing metric.
If that was the important balancing metric LowSec groups would be shitting bricks of Gold. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20210
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:23:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:I agree completely. GǪand yet you throw around the words without understanding them. You demand that things be GǣdisprovenGǥ when you have yet to prove them. You equate assumption with fact. You equate supposition with proof. You even try to use negative evidence.
Quote:Yet these two idiots try to ask for proof for the repercussions of a changes that have not even happened yet. Yeah, no. We are asking you for something to disprove since you keep asking us to disprove things.
We then tell you that you're wrong when you assert your baseless speculations as truth. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
1059
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:24:00 -
[926] - Quote
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Tippia wrote:That's not really ironic, so much as a problem that was in dire need of fixing. The term "ironic" fits it perfectly. But its clear words have a weird and mutable meaning in Lady Tippia's Lalaland. Yet another example of irony right there. That you are extremely critical and literal of the specific words and definitions others use, but absolutely and completely refuse to accept responsibility for the words YOU use yourself. I'd think it almost a result of some kind of brain damage, if I didn't know that it is deliberate for purposes of destroying discourse. Cheap and dirty trick really. Suits you. And please, stop with the like farming with alts. I mean really, try to have some standards atleast.
No what's ironic is that you keep asking people to prove how a certain set of people don't lose out but when I've asked you to provethey lose out in a material way (i.e. a serious detriment to their gameplay) you have totally ignored my request. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
417
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:25:00 -
[927] - Quote
Let me rephrase, my dear Tippia.
These are my PREDICTIONS of the results of the change:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Beneficiaries of the change are: -Null entities capable of financing the refinery efficiency installations -Null sec entitites with renters who now have some degree of added incentive to mine, refine and provide resources to null domestically. -Those renters, to some degree, depending on how sov owners adjust their rent, access to facilities, protection and possivle incenrive programs to ensure a greater flow of minerals from null domestically. -POS owners with compression capability throughout the universe. -Null sec entitites with the infrastructure to manufacture and sell products both to high sec markets, and also some null markets.
Those who stand to lose from the changes are:: -Reprossecors. -Mission/rat/plex runners -Entities currently dependant on what mission/rat/plex runners bring in. -High sec industrialists who now have to compete with null industrialists who have a wider margin owing to the better refinement efficiency in their native space -Miners without personal access to advanced refining facilities, in high sec as their raw output will be suppressed by the margins of compression services, in null sec because you will have to pay for the privilege as rent, which suppresses your profits. |
Lucas Kell
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Arduemont wrote:As someone who has spent a great deal of their time working in and studying research science, it has always annoyed me when people throw around the words 'proof' and 'evidence' when they clearly don't know what they mean. I agree completely. Yet these two idiots try to ask for proof for the repercussions of a changes that have not even happened yet. Its like asking someone to prove what the weather is like tomorrow. You can't. You can only predict with a margin of error. Then when the weatherman explains this to them, they yell YOU ARE WRONG, without being able to disprove the projection themselves, anymore than the meteorologist can prove it until the next day actually arrives and the weather does indeed behave as he predicted. Except you are not the weatherman. You're the homeless guy standing in the street screaming. You've stated yourself that you have no experience with the subject, so why when neither side has evidence is what you say automatically correct? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Let me rephrase, my dear Tippia.
These are my PREDICTIONS of the results of the change: GǪand they are lacking in sound reasoning or basis, as has been demonstrated. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
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Tippia wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Let me rephrase, my dear Tippia.
These are my PREDICTIONS of the results of the change: GǪand they are lacking in sound reasoning or basis, as has been demonstrated.
Actually his predictions are pretty spot on. Again ignoring the production aspect as that will remain relatively unchanged. If anything we might see more LowSec production come from the changes, but that is doubtful as well. HS will always be the producer. |
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