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ImYourMom
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.21 15:55:00 -
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http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates.
All these are rental, nearly 13 regions. So is it just me seeing something fundamentally wrong here?
this is why we need multiple worlds jus tlike every other MMO. Becuase alliances like this just control everything, and always will |
Elzbieta Andrzejewski
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.03.21 15:56:00 -
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Yes, there is something wrong with it.
Fixing it is the problem.
Best of luck. |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
422
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Posted - 2014.03.21 15:56:00 -
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you not being in the kitchen making me a sammich?
OR you being too lazy to put together a coalition to kick the renters out of their space?
Personally, I don't care.
Wspace for life. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2362
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Posted - 2014.03.21 15:57:00 -
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This is how it works everywhere else.
What do you want, the United Federation Of Planets?
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
ImYourMom
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2014.03.21 15:58:00 -
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Himnos Altar wrote:you not being in the kitchen making me a sammich?
OR you being too lazy to put together a coalition to kick the renters out of their space?
Personally, I don't care.
Wspace for life.
Really yeah ill just spin up a 10000 man coaliion that has 10000000 titans and supers.. |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
177
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Posted - 2014.03.21 15:58:00 -
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ImYourMom wrote:http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates.
All these are rental, nearly 13 regions. So is it just me seeing something fundamentally wrong here?
this is why we need multiple worlds jus tlike every other MMO. Becuase alliances like this just control everything, and always will
You would just get multiple worlds filled with renter empires, yay! If you want to get rid of rental empires, give nullsec blocs a reason to use their space themselves. |
ImYourMom
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2014.03.21 15:58:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:This is how it works everywhere else.
What do you want, the United Federation Of Planets?
Everywhere else? Like? |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2362
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Posted - 2014.03.21 16:02:00 -
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ImYourMom wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:This is how it works everywhere else.
What do you want, the United Federation Of Planets?
Everywhere else? Like?
Everywhere, except perhaps the UFP.
Name somewhere, its like that there. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
ImYourMom
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2014.03.21 16:05:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:ImYourMom wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:This is how it works everywhere else.
What do you want, the United Federation Of Planets?
Everywhere else? Like? Everywhere, except perhaps the UFP. Name somewhere, its like that there.
Where? Just name them.. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2362
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Posted - 2014.03.21 16:07:00 -
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ImYourMom wrote:
Where? Just name them..
Doncaster.
Beijing.
Alice Springs.
Springfield.
Everywhere. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
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Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
422
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Posted - 2014.03.21 16:07:00 -
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ImYourMom wrote:Himnos Altar wrote:you not being in the kitchen making me a sammich?
OR you being too lazy to put together a coalition to kick the renters out of their space?
Personally, I don't care.
Wspace for life. Really yeah ill just spin up a 10000 man coaliion that has 10000000 titans and supers..
Brave Newbies did it.
And you've heard the stories of how the Brave boys got their start, right?
so it's not out of the realm of possibility.
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
392
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Posted - 2014.03.21 16:09:00 -
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Invariably either the CFC empire will fall, or EVE will fall.
Whichever comes first, one or the other is an inevitable certainty. |
ImYourMom
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2014.03.21 16:10:00 -
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Himnos Altar wrote:ImYourMom wrote:Himnos Altar wrote:you not being in the kitchen making me a sammich?
OR you being too lazy to put together a coalition to kick the renters out of their space?
Personally, I don't care.
Wspace for life. Really yeah ill just spin up a 10000 man coaliion that has 10000000 titans and supers.. Brave Newbies did it. And you've heard the stories of how the Brave boys got their start, right? so it's not out of the realm of possibility.
errrmmm they will never ever ever taken regions though will they. is not quite the same calibre is it, and every ohe coaltion that has tried has failed. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
839
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Posted - 2014.03.21 16:22:00 -
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ImYourMom wrote:http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Greater_Western_Co-Prosperity_Spherehttp://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Darkness._CitizensAll these are rental, nearly 17 regions and god knows how many systems abut 600+. and thats not all of them. So is it just me seeing something fundamentally wrong here? this is why we need multiple worlds jus tlike every other MMO or make some fundamental changes that stop this . Becuase alliances like this just control everything, and always will, and most of all this surely isnt what eve was supposed to be about was it? personally i would like all nullsec to be npc.
I live in null I am not affliated to any sov holding group and don't rent. Some of the renters have nice space that they don't defend and i lightly populated. great for running sigs or killing their ratters. There are certainly problems but multishard ain't the solution. People aren't sure what is though and we all have options within the current system. I believe the biggest corp in the game has just entered the null scene and has grown from scratch in about a year so someone can clearly still make an impact with hard work Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
839
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Posted - 2014.03.21 16:24:00 -
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ImYourMom wrote:Himnos Altar wrote:ImYourMom wrote:Really yeah ill just spin up a 10000 man coaliion that has 10000000 titans and supers.. Brave Newbies did it. And you've heard the stories of how the Brave boys got their start, right? so it's not out of the realm of possibility. errrmmm they will never ever ever taken regions though will they. is not quite the same calibre is it, and every ohe coaltion that has tried has failed.
Goons and TEST started the same way and both have or do own regions. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Twenty Five Percent
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2014.03.21 16:40:00 -
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Bring back Tech |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
422
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Posted - 2014.03.21 16:42:00 -
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ImYourMom wrote:Himnos Altar wrote:ImYourMom wrote:Himnos Altar wrote:you not being in the kitchen making me a sammich?
OR you being too lazy to put together a coalition to kick the renters out of their space?
Personally, I don't care.
Wspace for life. Really yeah ill just spin up a 10000 man coaliion that has 10000000 titans and supers.. Brave Newbies did it. And you've heard the stories of how the Brave boys got their start, right? so it's not out of the realm of possibility. errrmmm they will never ever ever taken regions though will they. is not quite the same calibre is it, and every ohe coaltion that has tried has failed.
you just asked about being able to spin up a coalition.
And Brave Newbies did just that over the what, last 6 months? Year?
No, they're not big sov holders. yet.
but I have a feeling that if you give them time they will become a big player in sov null. or at least influential. |
Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1034
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Posted - 2014.03.21 16:44:00 -
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Now is the perfect time for HERO to take advance orders on their rental program. Be quick and you can get in on the ground floor. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5160
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Posted - 2014.03.21 16:57:00 -
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ImYourMom wrote:http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Greater_Western_Co-Prosperity_Spherehttp://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Darkness._CitizensAll these are rental, nearly 17 regions and god knows how many systems abut 600+. and thats not all of them. So is it just me seeing something fundamentally wrong here? this is why we need multiple worlds jus tlike every other MMO or make some fundamental changes that stop this . Becuase alliances like this just control everything, and always will, and most of all this surely isnt what eve was supposed to be about was it? personally i would like all nullsec to be npc or sov costs need to go up massively.
If you would like all nullsec to be NPC space, then why are you worried about sov space?
There are plenty of options in EVE. If NPC Nullsec is what you want, um... then... uh... go fly there? There's lots of it you know.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1510
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Posted - 2014.03.21 16:58:00 -
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ImYourMom wrote: this is why we need multiple worlds jus tlike every other MMO or make some fundamental changes that stop this . Becuase alliances like this just control everything, and always will, and most of all this surely isnt what eve was supposed to be about was it?
Well considering CCP has done everything imaginable to make it like this, yes, it's what it's supposed to be about.
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4440
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Posted - 2014.03.21 17:02:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin will be bringing the rental empires to their knees. Just join Darwins Lemmings and send them your isk. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
1206
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Posted - 2014.03.21 17:02:00 -
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Renting will get fixed when either sov gets fixed, or a temporary bandaide if CCP dumps 5 new massive NPC nullsec systems into the game. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4443
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Posted - 2014.03.21 22:20:00 -
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Those who live in NPC null and those who rent SOV space have very different interests. You could drop 20 new NPC null regions and people would still want to rent. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Lothros Andastar
The Minutemen Li3 Federation
22
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Posted - 2014.03.21 23:01:00 -
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If you don't like people renting space then form an Alliance, kick out the people who own the space and don't rent it out. |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
158
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Posted - 2014.03.21 23:23:00 -
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I heard; get on with what you want to do in eve, if other people like being someone's *****. So be it. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
261
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Posted - 2014.03.21 23:33:00 -
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Wait.. wait... you want to take one of the best things about eve and change it?
You want to take the single universe, where everyone plays together, where I don't have to go 'dude come play eve but join the orion server man.. oh your on terra? well delete and come to orion" and make it so I have to go "dude come join orion no alpha centori!" Really? that is your soultion?
I can't believe I am about to say this, but as the single server is pretty much one of the biggest reasons I have played eve for so damn long... GTFO and go back to WoW |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:18:00 -
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Just get rid of sov, completely.
Look at w-space: we don't have sov there, yet people still own systems. You use and defend a system -> you own it. Simple as that. If someone comes and throws you out of your system it's usually because they either want to use your space themselves, or because you pi*sed them of in some way - not because they just wanted to put their sticker on some map, which sadly is what most of sov 0.0 looks like today. You can roam safely through most parts of space that those sov alliances "own", pull shiny loot out of their DED and exploration sites, completely unchallenged... as long as you don't dare touching their sticker on the map. If someone in w-space would just even think about touching the anoms in our home system, we would pod them back to k-space immediately. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4475
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:20:00 -
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You know, I've known fellows who would think that if they didn't chase every skirt they could get within voice distance of, they would wake up magically gay the next day, shout "faaabulous" and start decorating the house or something.
I watched them ruin relationships and marriages because...
SOMETHING CONVINCED THEM
... of this thing whereby if they didn't chase every skirt they saw it meant they were not men or "going gay".
(I never saw this false viewpoint applied in Scotland however I imagine it would not go down well there).
What does this have to do with the thread?
Note the part I put in all caps.
Something is convincing people that "nullsec is the thing". So much the thing, that being a renter is somehow a good thing.
Yet, much like chasing skirts and wrecking one's own personal life on some strange notion, those of us who look at nullsec from outside the box and consider the ramifications of.. renting... can't see the magic in it. It looks like work - having to pay that rent and all that - when there are so many other options for ISK.
Funny how the same people who may be renters themselves endlessly complain that highsec has too much ISK in it.
What is it then?
There's just too much propaganda and BS going on. Maybe some nullsec systems are worth it, and others not. Who knows?
But I get the impression that renting is merely a transient (no pun intended) thing whereby people go into renting thinking that:
- it's a huge magical ISK fountain - it's LEET PVP and leaving highsec means you are a leet PVPer and give license to point back at highsec and look down at everybody who is not in nullsec. - it's playing the game the way it should be played: with company.
But how long does the bloom last on the rose? On the outside, those of us who like to trespass and do what we like see this differently: - It's NOT a huge ISK fountain nor guaranteed and then there's rent to pay. - the LEET PVP is gate camping - company in the game means nerd-rage, undue drama, backstabbing and all the other wonderful trappings of a declining civilization that had us staying home on the weekend and playing video games in the first place
So, if you want to put an end to this renting thing, it's more of an educational move.
Why is there such a herd?
For the same reason that every major city has a rush hour twice a day with the same people in it at the same time, day after day, year after year.
So whoever is in control of the information is the culprit. I can think of a large nullsec block that has enough people in it to spread a lot of lies to a lot of other players in the forums and out.
Destroy these lies and renting is reduced. I would be curious to see what the present "turnover" of renters is. I don't imagine that individual players are really gung ho about "keeping their corp out there". I think most of them are in it for themselves and when their status is pressed, it falls apart and they end up back in highsec farming with tengus.
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. The Storm Collective
212
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Posted - 2014.03.22 01:00:00 -
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Charlie Firpol wrote:ImYourMom wrote:http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates.
All these are rental, nearly 13 regions. So is it just me seeing something fundamentally wrong here?
this is why we need multiple worlds jus tlike every other MMO. Becuase alliances like this just control everything, and always will You would just get multiple worlds filled with renter empires, yay! If you want to get rid of rental empires, give nullsec blocs a reason to use their space themselves.
Emulate real life. System ownership can be sub-let but at a tax rate to the original owner.
Obviously the real challenge is to give the renters a credible reason to blow the birdy at cfc and make their own empire. Continuous nerfs to incomes all over the game and incentives for local null production/consumption might help.
A static universe mineral count and "asteroid field fatigue" could help there also. Force empires to expand and of course it makes them strongest at their borders and weakest in their guts. Ripe for being subvertes through guerilla warfare. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
vyshnegradsky
Hejaz Industries Executive Outcomes
171
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Posted - 2014.03.22 01:03:00 -
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ImYourMom wrote:Himnos Altar wrote:you not being in the kitchen making me a sammich?
OR you being too lazy to put together a coalition to kick the renters out of their space?
Personally, I don't care.
Wspace for life. Really yeah ill just spin up a 10000 man coaliion that has 10000000 titans and supers..
Having that many super capitals for that number of characters seems unnecessary. I suppose a few spares never hurt. This one's a bit over the edge guys.
Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.
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