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Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:13:00 -
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Our humble shuttle has a mass of 1.6 million kilos, that means on earth it weighs around 3 TIMES the Max Takeoff weight of the world's biggest aircraft when its FULLY LOADED (0.64 mil kilos), the Antonov An-225 Mriya.
NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE MIGHTY SHUTTLE AGAIN!
(and its a bargain price of 13,000 isk) Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2404
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:18:00 -
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How does the mass automatically equate to size?
A metric tonne of lead takes up signifgantly less space than a metric tonne of feathers.
Also if you are paying that much from your shuttles, I have a metric tonne of lead as measured on Jupiter to sell you. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
635
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:21:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:How does the mass automatically equate to size?
A metric tonne of lead takes up signifgantly less space than a metric tonne of feathers.
Also if you are paying that much from your shuttles, I have a metric tonne of lead as measured on Jupiter to sell you.
Who said anything about shuttle size ???
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
435
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:28:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:A metric tonne of lead takes up signifgantly less space than a metric tonne of feathers. Not if you compress the feathers with Planck scale tech! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:30:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote: Shuttle SIze is 5 kilometres cubed
It clearly isnt though *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
798
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:30:00 -
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The shuttles are still relatively large and about equivalent in size to an Antonov:
http://i.imgur.com/li1WE.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Antonov_An-225_Manchester_Coleman.jpg
Gallente Shuttle Length: 82 m (I think) Antonov AN-225 Length: 84 m eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:57:00 -
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A shuttle is roughly 50 meters long. About the size of a medium sized building.
OP is really bad at math or just has a poor understanding of what a cubic kilometer is. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:48:00 -
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5,000 cubic meters is not 5 cubic kilometers. It's actually 0.000005 cubic kilometers.
5 cubic kilometers would be 5,000,000,000 cubic meters.
A shuttle 50 meters long, 10 feet tall and 10 feet wide has a bounding box volume of 50 * 10 * 10 = 5,000 cubic meters. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2735
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:05:00 -
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Regarding shuttles and sizes and stuff, here's what I don't get...
A Gallente shuttle, for example, is 64m on its long axis. So that would be the diameter of the sphere it would fit inside. It's also comparable to the length, from nose to tail, of a Boeing 777-200.
It supposedly takes up 5000m^3 of space unpackaged.
A Firbolg is 19m on its long axis. That's the same as the length and only 1m less than the wingspan of an F-14 Tomcat. (So stop calling them frigate-sized, cuz that just sounds dumb, but I digress).
It also takes up 5000m^3 of space.
And there are so many similar size discrepancies that I understand are determined as such for the sake of consistent gameplay, and don't get me wrong here, I'm not complaining about lack of realism. I'm just thinking out loud, really... You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
635
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:13:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:5,000 cubic meters is not 5 cubic kilometers. It's actually 0.000005 cubic kilometers.
5 cubic kilometers would be 5,000,000,000 cubic meters.
A shuttle 50 meters long, 10 feet tall and 10 feet wide has a bounding box volume of 50 * 10 * 10 = 5,000 cubic meters.
10 feet is 3 metres, oh my
Evelopedia;-á
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Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:37:00 -
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A cubic meter is a cube with an edge length of one meter.
A cubic kilometer is a cube with an edge length of one thousand meters.
5000 cubic meters do not equal 5 cubic kilometers.
And seeing how one foot is roughly 33 centimeters, yes, ten feet do equal roughly 3 meters. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
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Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
635
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:55:00 -
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Ya, I stand corrected, shouldve said 5 Cubic decametres, oops ... Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9228
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Posted - 2014.03.25 11:14:00 -
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Probably just easier to say 5,000 cubic meters.
But yeah, one cubic kilometer is 1,000 meters by 1,000 meters by 1,000 meters (1 km * 1 km * 1 km = 1 km^3). "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1181
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Posted - 2014.03.25 11:22:00 -
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10 m3 cargobay.
That's 5/2/1 metres corridor. GAME BALLANCE. Edit signature? What's the point? |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
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Posted - 2014.03.25 11:29:00 -
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This thread is now about the metric system. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2786
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Posted - 2014.03.25 11:36:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:10 m3 cargobay. That's 5/2/1 metres corridor. GAME BALLANCE. None of the dimensions and capacities in EVE really fit together. Coherence in the world logic isn't very high on the to-do list for development. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Serene Repose
1167
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:50:00 -
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That, of course, is assuming an Antonov An-225 Mriya can takeoff when fully loaded. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
222
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:24:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Our humble shuttle has a mass of 1.6 million kilos, that means on earth it weighs around 3 TIMES the Max Takeoff weight of the world's biggest aircraft when its FULLY LOADED (0.64 mil kilos), the Antonov An-225 Mriya. NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE MIGHTY SHUTTLE AGAIN! (and its a bargain price of 13,000 isk)
+1 for arbitrary mass values entered into a spreadsheet by game designers... |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
272
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Posted - 2014.03.25 17:22:00 -
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Yes, ships in Eve are big...even the "small" ships are big, and the "big" ships are ******* massive! |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4486
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Posted - 2014.03.25 17:28:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Regarding shuttles and sizes and stuff, here's what I don't get...
A Gallente shuttle, for example, is 64m on its long axis. So that would be the diameter of the sphere it would fit inside, giving that sphere a volume of 137,000m^3. It's also comparable to the length, from nose to tail, of a Boeing 777-200.
It supposedly takes up 5000m^3 of space unpackaged.
A Firbolg is 19m on its long axis. That's the same as the length and only 1m less than the wingspan of an F-14 Tomcat. (So stop calling them frigate-sized, cuz that just sounds dumb, but I digress). It would fit inside a sphere with a 19m diameter, giving it a volume of 3591.36m^3.
It also takes up 5000m^3 of space.
And there are so many similar size discrepancies that I understand are determined as such for the sake of consistent gameplay, and don't get me wrong here, I'm not complaining about lack of realism. I'm just thinking out loud, really...
I'm reminded of how Star Trek and all of the other spinoffs were constantly plagued with scale issues.
That scene from First Contact when the Enterprise passed by the Defiant for example, it was said that the Defiant was heinously out of scale. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
457
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Posted - 2014.03.25 17:39:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Our humble shuttle has a mass of 1.6 million kilos, that means on earth it weighs around 3 TIMES the Max Takeoff weight of the world's biggest aircraft when its FULLY LOADED (0.64 mil kilos), the Antonov An-225 Mriya. NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE MIGHTY SHUTTLE AGAIN! (and its a bargain price of 13,000 isk) +1 for arbitrary mass values entered into a spreadsheet by game designers...
Its not really arbitrary, different building environment. Shuttles are constructed in space, essentially negating the mass. This is why we use the lightest materials possible in construction of planes and rockets, We have to break gravity in order to achieve flight, or orbit. The same would not apply if we built craft already in orbit, we could use lead as a construction component for craft build in space and the applicable mass would be largely redundant. |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
636
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:11:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Shizuken wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Our humble shuttle has a mass of 1.6 million kilos, that means on earth it weighs around 3 TIMES the Max Takeoff weight of the world's biggest aircraft when its FULLY LOADED (0.64 mil kilos), the Antonov An-225 Mriya. NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE MIGHTY SHUTTLE AGAIN! (and its a bargain price of 13,000 isk) +1 for arbitrary mass values entered into a spreadsheet by game designers... Its not really arbitrary, different building environment. Shuttles are constructed in space, essentially negating the mass. This is why we use the lightest materials possible in construction of planes and rockets, We have to break gravity in order to achieve flight, or orbit. The same would not apply if we built craft already in orbit, we could use lead as a construction component for craft build in space and the applicable mass would be largely redundant.
Mass still would affect inertia therefore propulsion even in space, so engineers building in space would Always prefer lighter materials. Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Pew Terror
Green Associates TITANS.
169
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:32:00 -
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Are you telling me mario cant really jump that high and gorillas dont throw barrels? HOW DARE YOU! |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3112
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:08:00 -
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Well, the pod technology itself is pretty complex. I think the shuttle is a technological marvel, able to fit and support all the systems involved with containing the clone and consciousness of a capsuleer. Could you build a smaller spaceship? You bet... but one that could hold an immortal internet spaceship demigod? I don't see how.
Edit: Also note you can fling your shuttle 200 AU in half a heartbeat! Let's see a Mira do that! The Leopard is simply amazing. Probably the most amazing ship in game (without a jump engine), if you think about it.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9296
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:52:00 -
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This wasn't the first time I've had this discussion about the metric system.
Scott Manley made a mistake on one of his videos, saying something about needing 400 cubic kilometers of ore to create a titan. I corrected him in a comment which subsequently got marked as spam. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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