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Druthlen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
87
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:53:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Druthlen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Druthlen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:There is no justification for wanting to see erotica1 hurt so that you can laugh at it.
Period.
This last part....LMAO So ironic since that is exactly what E1 does. Hurt people so he and his friends can lulz. Hurt feelings are not real harm. Wow, emotional abuse is just as real and hurtful as physical abuse. You are delusional. It went way past hurt feelings of lost pixels. It went well into emotional distress and abuse caused by E1. What part? The reading the Wikipedia entries, or the Disney song? I know some Disney songs are pretty bad, but I hardly think they count as "emotional abuse". Or are you talking about being laughed at? Because in that case, I'm emotionally abusing you right now. Did nobody ever teach any of you sorry ***** the "Stick and Stones" rhyme?
You are obviously part of this scheme and want it to continue. No human is that ignorant. Barney songs have been used to torture individuals. The person couldn't leave or was drawn back by wanting the return of the hostage(his pixels). Which had obviously alot of intrinsic value. I understand because my pixels have value to me. What I value more is human beings. Obviously something you care nothing for since feelings have no value to you and all we are is a collection of thoughts and feelings. |
Drakast
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:54:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Well wow, 250 pages now.
In other news, Erotica 1 is Bonus Rooming himself and live streaming it.
Cuz it's just space pixels.
And reading The Code ain't torture, yo.
code? never heard of it,
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
719
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:54:00 -
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Just as we put money where mouth is in-game with our Kill-It-Forward Jihad against nerfs to EvE, so too should pansies calling for a response to Erotica1's actions....
If you pansies are truly heartbroken by what happened to Sohkar, there are two meaningful things you can do (beyond sperging endlessly in a forum for maximum fail)...
1) Give your assets to Sohkar 2) Unsub
For that has been shown (as during the summer of rage) as a meaningful way to get CCP to act
Do this not, and you are just a pansy mewling and wailing in impotent fury based on projecting your own life fail inadequacies into a gaming context.
There is no avoiding this realization oh sad pansy... After 250 pages its time to put money where mouth is, or not...
F
p.s. Your inquisitors of HTFU zapped an innocent carebear in hisec last night in response to calls for nerfs in this thread. One down, four more to go. Your heresies, my hands, their blood, your conscience...
Would you like to know more? |
Talon SilverHawk
Ronin Cartel The G0dfathers
647
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:54:00 -
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Really ppl are supporting this ? All the in game scamming, pvp and what ever is fine, using Eve to pull someone out of the game so you can bully them isn't.
Even id they avoided the EULA and such this reflectts poorly on the Eve community and saying he did nothing wrong in game so it's fine is laughable. They used Eve to put him in the situation.
Send this to all the gaming sites BBC etc and see what the general response is.
Its not about Eve its about being a decent human being.
Tal
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Druthlen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
87
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:54:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Druthlen wrote:
Torturing a person in TS is not a playstyle. Its just sick.
Tell me.... Have you ever been tortured? Do you understand what torture is? People don't normally submit to it willingly like Sokhar did. If anything, the fact that he consented to everything indicates he was enjoying himself.
It wasn't willing. E1 had a hostage(the pixels) which Sokhar felt he could save. Was Sokhar irresponsible with the pixels yes but he still cared for them. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1698
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:54:00 -
[5316] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Druthlen wrote:
Torturing a person in TS is not a playstyle. Its just sick.
Tell me.... Have you ever been tortured? Do you understand what torture is? People don't normally submit to it willingly like Sokhar did. If anything, the fact that he consented to everything indicates he was enjoying himself.
What do you mean?!!
I for one regularly consent to having my eyes burned out with a hot poker and fingers smashed with a rusty hammer. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
883
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:55:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:Ok so your saying if the the victim stated he wanted his assets of se he could log and sleep erotica1 would do it . No he would keep them Of course. If you told me you wanted my assets so you can log and sleep you'd be told a lot worse that 'no I'm keeping them'. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2932
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:55:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:olan2005 wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:olan2005 wrote:The control to end this was completely in Erotica1 hands . Ultimate responsibility is with the scammer Erotica1 for this entire situation Actually the client ultimately has more control over the situation. It can't even begin without their consent. here is the full text not a snippet quote so my response can be put into context "I think you hit the nail on the head with that . Where is the line in these situations. For all discussions and commentators most agree, myself including scamming is fine. But once scam is completed and you have all possible assets extracted , is it ok to prolong the ordeal for the sucker ( victime , self inflicted) for tear extraction as it is called in-game. Should the EULA be more stringent on that aspect of scamming. Me personally i say yes . As for punshment i will disagree , there should be perma ban for Erotica1 for taking it too far, then putting this public domain which has a consequence for the whole community. There should be a temp ban for the sucker (victim ,self inflicted ) for the racism , and threats that followed. Why the lesser punishment . He was under self inflicted emotional duress, which was not completely under his control as his assets where being held to ransom , by that he had to play or loose everything he built up in his eve carrier . Coercion is used by Erotica1 , the scenario was set up by erotica1 , The control to end this was completely in Erotica1 hands . Ultimate responsibility is with the scammer Erotica1 for this entire situation" For the scamming aspect yes it happend with the victims consent . He willingly handed over assets like a idiot. The bonus room shenanegians involved coercion by holding victims assets to ransom. The bonus room was done in a teamspeak which belongs to erotica1 or his freinds. Erotica1 set it up with the intent to focus on humilating people , not avatars not just to scam. The scenario of what went down was under his control as he was the one giving instructions . The putting of the recording in public domain was done by him . The capacity to stop boot the sucker (VICTIM) from teamspeak and end this was within erotica1 control . Erotica1 choose to set up the room out of game to humilate people not just to scam , and continued his antics after the scam was complete. He already had all the guys assets We've all read it, dude. We've read the whole thing. Crumplecorn's point remains, and so does the little issue of there can be no coercion if the 'victim' hands over his assets willingly from the very beginning, and continues to consent to everything throughout the entire process. He even managed to leave at one stage, and then he willingly came back. Sokhar was ENTIRELY responsible for all his choices the moment he handed over his very first isk. Not to mention virtual assets aren't real, they are virtual, which means that nothing exists to coerce him with. Ok so your saying if the the victim stated he wanted his assets of se he could log and sleep erotica1 would do it . No he would keep them and threaten to never return them if his sucker (victim ) does not participate . Once the assets are handed over . Then used to make someone play erotica1 game it becomes coercion from scam to sick saddistic, narcaccisitc activity with no other purpose other than to draw pain and suffering from a individual person not avatar
Dude, let's go back to the start where Sokhar WILLINGLY GAVE ERO THOSE ASSETS TO BEGIN WITH.
Okay, now that we're at the beginning, let's try some rational thought shall we?
Go. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Kaius Fero
8
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:55:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:...
A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.
Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey. A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****. I'm sure that in the goon philosophy a drug dealer is a good guy, actually he is a hero. Because yeah.. he ease the pain of the addicts and also help the humanity to get rid of those too weak to resist drugs. Pretty valid argument, it reminds me of a last century ideology. |
Tor Norman
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:56:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Really ppl are supporting this ? All the in game scamming, pvp and what ever is fine, using Eve to pull someone out of the game so you can bully them isn't.
Even id they avoided the EULA and such this reflectts poorly on the Eve community and saying he did nothing wrong in game so it's fine is laughable. They used Eve to put him in the situation.
Send this to all the gaming sites BBC etc and see what the general response is.
Its not about Eve its about being a decent human being.
Tal
"His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose." WTF did I just read? |
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Tor Norman
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:57:00 -
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Kaius Fero wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:...
A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.
Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey. A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****. So space money is narcotics, now? WTF did I just read? |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2935
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:57:00 -
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Kaius Fero wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:...
A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.
Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey. A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****. I'm sure that in the goon philosophy a drug dealer is a good guy, actually he is a hero. Because yeah.. he ease the pain of the addicts and also help the humanity to get rid of those too weak to resist drugs. Pretty valid argument, it reminds me of a last century ideology.
This is just so far left field that I don't know where to begin. In order to force someone to do anything, you have to deny them a choice. Ero did not deny Sokhar the choice to hand over his assets to begin with, so your analogy is invalidated right there. Also invalidated automatically by "Grr Goons". What the **** do the Goons have to do with it? A whole bunch of them have been in the forums condemning Ero right along with you.
Crazy numpty. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1700
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:58:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote: Send this to all the gaming sites BBC etc and see what the general response is.
Isn't BBC busy making things up so people get killed for real in real shooting wars. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Prince Kobol
1531
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:59:00 -
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Tor Norman wrote:Kaius Fero wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:...
A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.
Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey. A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****. So space money is narcotics, now?
Lol of course not, however if your space pixels and space money mean nothing to you, just give away everything you have to the some random guy and start over again.
After, it just a bunch if pixels |
Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
680
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:59:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Really ppl are supporting this ? All the in game scamming, pvp and what ever is fine, using Eve to pull someone out of the game so you can bully them isn't.
Even id they avoided the EULA and such this reflectts poorly on the Eve community and saying he did nothing wrong in game so it's fine is laughable. They used Eve to put him in the situation.
Send this to all the gaming sites BBC etc and see what the general response is.
Its not about Eve its about being a decent human being.
Tal
Welcome to the thunderdome!
As not to tire you with facts presented in this 260+ paged thread, I'll give you the cliffnotes; I'm gonna post this every time someone beats the poor dead horse;
What happend; Ero: Give me your isk and I double it. Adult ATC: Here's all my isk Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go Adult ATC: ok Ero: read this text please Adult ATC: Ok, N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant Ero: Sing songs Adult ATC: NO! N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant Adult ATC: I'l gonna kill you! Adult ATC: My wife will come and scream at you some more
How it should have been; Ero: Give me your isk and I double it. Adult ATC: Here's all my isk Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go Adult ATC: Wait what? Naaaah... You scammed me, well played.
What normal people do: Ero: Give me your isk and I double it. Adult ATC: No way dude, I know it's just pixels but I want to buy space bling with them.
Riptar started a crusade because asking someone to sing = TORTURE in some twisted way and sheeple are piling on to confirm their stupidity.
D.
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PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
137
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:59:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dude, let's go back to the start where Sokhar WILLINGLY GAVE ERO THOSE ASSETS TO BEGIN WITH.
Okay, now that we're at the beginning, let's try some rational thought shall we?
Go.
AND THAT"S WHERE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO END AND ALL WOULD BE FINE.
Like caps? Hope you can read it now cause damn you are one braincell away from reaching veggie level of thinking. |
Bayonnefrog
Hedion University Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:59:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:For me there are 3 main issues here.
Did E1 break any rules?
The way the rules are written they are open to interpretation. Some say that he did break them, other say he didn't, nobody here can say with any certainty whether he did or did not break them as we didn't write them, we can only give our opinions, only CCP say that he did or did not definitely.
Should he be banned on Ethical and Morale grounds?
I will agree that this is a very difficult decision to make. Do we want the stereotype that we all psychopaths hell bent on making every bodies life hell reinforced.
I believe we have one of the best communities in the gaming world yet the overriding perception of many gamers outside of Eve is the opposite.
My opinion is that E1 only has reinforced the negative views people already have of Eve players. He took something which is one of Eve greatest assets and turned it something which it was never meant to be, a way of doing nothing but causing a person as much humiliation as possible Out of Game.
For that I believe he should be perma banned, of course many disagree which is there right.
Should Sohkar also be banned if E1 is?
Yes. Even thou I deplore E1's actions, there is no excuse for using the language that Sohkar did. Many will argue that he was under duress and in a highly emotional state when he made those comments and that he apologised afterwards.
This does not matter, not to ban him for a period of time would open a door that would basically kill Eve.
You would just have petition after petition being raise with this person said x,y and z in comms.
I would not perma ban him because of the circumstance of the situation, but he should still receive some kind of ban.
This seems reasonable. Ban both or none.
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Bjurn Akely
Knights of Nii The 20 Minuters
51
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:59:00 -
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I think this thread has devolved into a quagmire of bickering about interpretation of law. I'm pretty sure there is someone professionally trained in law sitting laughing her/his arse of at it.
It would probably be best to leave the decisions what any repercussions in this matter should be up to CCP. But hey, do continue if you please, many of you seem to like it.
0,02 ISK that is all.
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H aVo K
Tycheon Industries Northern Associates.
11
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:00:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote: Its not about Eve its about being a decent human being.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18375933
What did that poor Caracal pilot do to deserve being ganged up on and killed by you and your friends?
How could a decent person kill another just because they had wandered into "the wrong" space? |
Druthlen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:00:00 -
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Tor Norman wrote:Kaius Fero wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:...
A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.
Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey. A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****. So space money is narcotics, now?
Lets be honest we pay real money to get access to this space money. It has value. |
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2935
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:01:00 -
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Druthlen wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Druthlen wrote:
Torturing a person in TS is not a playstyle. Its just sick.
Tell me.... Have you ever been tortured? Do you understand what torture is? People don't normally submit to it willingly like Sokhar did. If anything, the fact that he consented to everything indicates he was enjoying himself. It wasn't willing. E1 had a hostage(the pixels) which Sokhar felt he could save. Was Sokhar irresponsible with the pixels yes but he still cared for them.
In order for Ero to have them, what does Sokhar need to do?
Huh? Think about it a moment.
That's right, HE HAS TO HAND THEM OVER WILLINGLY YOU DUMB CHUMP. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Prince Kobol
1531
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:01:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Kaius Fero wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:...
A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.
Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey. A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****. I'm sure that in the goon philosophy a drug dealer is a good guy, actually he is a hero. Because yeah.. he ease the pain of the addicts and also help the humanity to get rid of those too weak to resist drugs. Pretty valid argument, it reminds me of a last century ideology. This is just so far left field that I don't know where to begin. In order to force someone to do anything, you have to deny them a choice. Ero did not deny Sokhar the choice to hand over his assets to begin with, so your analogy is invalidated right there. Also invalidated automatically by "Grr Goons". What the **** do the Goons have to do with it? A whole bunch of them have been in the forums condemning Ero right along with you. Crazy numpty.
Well I suppose E1 was part of Goonswarm therefore he will always be a goon in some peoples eyes. |
Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
55
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:01:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:So whats your point? He doesn't force anyone to do anything. They do it of their own free will in order to gain wealth in a video game. There is no point. She's trying to make insinuations, but doing a very poor job at it, because her post doesn't bear 5 seconds of critical thinking (well, not five seconds of my critical thinking... I'm sure the masses of sheeple will buy it hook line and sinker, which is what she's betting on. She will now resort to personal attacks in an attempt to discredit me, most likely).
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Druthlen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:01:00 -
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H aVo K wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote: Its not about Eve its about being a decent human being.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18375933What did that poor Caracal pilot do to deserve being ganged up on and killed by you and your friends? How could a decent person kill another just because they had wandered into "the wrong" space?
Oh we have someone that is using ingame villainy to try to justify out of game villainy. So because someone did it in a game should E1 be allowed to hurt others in rl? Please do tell. |
Tor Norman
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:01:00 -
[5335] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Tor Norman wrote:Kaius Fero wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:...
A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.
Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey. A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****. So space money is narcotics, now? Lol of course not, however if your space pixels and space money mean nothing to you, just give away everything you have to the some random guy and start over again. After, it just a bunch if pixels My space pixels mean something to me, so I don't want to just give them away. That doesn't mean I'm addicted to them. WTF did I just read? |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
888
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:01:00 -
[5336] - Quote
PinkPanter wrote:AND THAT"S WHERE IT WAS SUPPOSE TO END AND ALL WOULD BE FINE. Then why didn't Sohkar end it there? [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Qalix
Long Jump.
231
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:02:00 -
[5337] - Quote
does anyone know what the longest thread page count is? are we getting close to a record? |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
888
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:03:00 -
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Druthlen wrote:Oh we have someone that is using ingame villainy to try to justify out of game villainy. So because someone did it in a game should E1 be allowed to hurt others in rl? Please do tell. >blowing up ships in a blowing-up-ships-game >sing me some songs and i'll give you eleventy billion isk >villany
Are you even trying? [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Druthlen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:03:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Druthlen wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Druthlen wrote:
Torturing a person in TS is not a playstyle. Its just sick.
Tell me.... Have you ever been tortured? Do you understand what torture is? People don't normally submit to it willingly like Sokhar did. If anything, the fact that he consented to everything indicates he was enjoying himself. It wasn't willing. E1 had a hostage(the pixels) which Sokhar felt he could save. Was Sokhar irresponsible with the pixels yes but he still cared for them. In order for Ero to have them, what does Sokhar need to do? Huh? Think about it a moment. That's right, HE HAS TO HAND THEM OVER WILLINGLY YOU DUMB CHUMP.
Just because he is of questionable intelligence doesnt mean he deserved to be tortured. He still thought he could recover the pixels and thought he could even multiply them. that is why he was in the TS3 and that is why he stayed. Out of game. OUT OF GAME. What do you not understand about that?? |
Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
104
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:03:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Quote: The problem with your position is that its based on Slippery Slope Fallacy.
1) Erotica1s actions are only "out of game" in the most pedantic sense. They are a final step in a progression of events that takes place in game, and directly relate to and concern the disposition of in game assets. Out-of-game software is used only to evade obvious violations of CCPs terms, and allow the sort of amateurist legal argument you are making. Even in real life law there are principles of equity and fairness in application; not just a linguistic battle to see who is closer to the letter of the law or contract, hence why we have lawyers argue cases rather than linguists.
2) It is a Slippery Slope Fallacy to claim that CCP would be open to any and all calls for bans by any group becaus they banned oneplayer based on a generalized community reaction. "People who don't like Erotica 1" are not a group in any meanngful sense; their unity is solely around the issue at hand. CCP could just as easily be pressured to ban gays by homophobes or Russians whether or not they ban Erotica; th dollar vote is equally strong. CCP on the other hand has absolutely no obligation to listen to those groups just because they ban Erotica 1; it is not as if homophobes or Russians have any right to demand "consistency", andCCCP would not be inconsistent in the first place. Being gay is unrelated to game play; Erotica's performance is directly connected to it, pedantic claims that its "out of game" notwithstanding.
You make a poor attempt at reducio ad absurdm based on slippery slope and pedantry. Neither vays nor scammers are at any risk if Erotica 1 gets banned.
LOL, the 'claim it's all fallacy' fallacy. Do you not see the glaring logic hoops you just jumped through to make what you want to believe make any kind of sense at all?
There is no such thing as the "claim it's all a fallacy fallacy." All that is, is you not liking the fact that Malcanis's error in reasoning has been identified and addressed. You utterly failed to address any of my points at all, all you did was LOL as if that's an argument.
There are no "logic holes" (whatever that's supposed to be) either. That's why you didn't identify them, and just asked a rhetorical question about whether I saw them or not - in other words, trying to get people to just accept the assumption that they exist, when in fact, they don't. It's a classic dishonest debate technique from people who don't understand how to construct proper argument.
You, in fact, clearly don't. You've been on the "but then they can ban anyone that anyone else doesn't like!" side the entire time. Actually, they can ban anyone any time and in any case, they won't ban anyone just because someone else doesn't like them; that clearly WOULD be very bad for their business and in any case, "I don't like this other person, ban them" is not the same as "This behavior is clearly unacceptable by established standards, and they are evading punishment by means of legalistic maneuvering (namely, using different software."
If that weren't the case, people wouldn't be trying to have it both ways by arguing CCP shouldn't punish out-of-game behavior, but then also claiming this is "emergent gameplay".
Come back when you understand how to respond to and address points rather than relying on rhetorical games that make no points at all, and inventing "logical fallacies" that don't actually exist. Until you can do that you have no business having your own opinion, much less stating it. |
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