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Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
223
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:07:00 -
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Alp Khan wrote:Brusanan wrote:Alp Khan wrote:[Asking someone to post naked pictures of their significant other with the false promise that they will get their assets back and having them write your name on their bodies with mayonnaise is far from asking someone to sing a song. You seem confused. Erotica has never asked for nude pics of significant others. Quote:PS. If you are an Erotica 1 alt, it wouldn't surprise me at all if you were abused as a children. Many victims of abuse who go rehabilitated turn to abusing others later in their lives. I like how all of the anti-Erotica people in this thread are so unconcerned with actually being right that they all just start wildly accusing Erotica of every crime they can think of. Oh yes, Erotica 1 has asked and received from his victims nsfw pictures of their significant others. And then, he posted them on forums. Of course, since you can falsely claim that Erotica 1 does not commit similar acts, you must be an Erotica 1 associate, and perhaps even one of the torturing company that we can listen to on Erotica 1 bonus room recordings? There are hundreds of people supporting him in this thread who are not his associates. Unless you think half of Eve are Erotica 1 escrow agents.
You are confused about how the pictures he posted on the forum came about. The pictures of [NAME REMOVED]'s girlfriend were not asked for, they were volunteered.
[NAME REMOVED] was asked to sing on TS for Erotica's CSM announcement for ISK. Eventually it was turned into a duet with [NAME REMOVED] and his girlfriend. The two of them were having fun with it, and the ISK was paid out in the end as promised. After the singing was over, Erotica asked for a picture of them with a sign that said "Erotica 1 for CSM", as he was doing with lots of people at the time. He asked for a plain picture, with a sign that said "Erotica 1 for CSM". That's it.
Later on in the night, the pictures you saw were given in addition to the picture that was asked for, without anyone on TS even aware that they were coming. [NAME REMOVED] and his girlfriend decided on their own to make those pictures.
You can't possibly hold those pictures against Erotica 1. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
lollerwaffle
Perkone Caldari State
229
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:08:00 -
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Imryn Xaran wrote:Where CCP should step in is when a players actions (either in or out of game) threaten to damage their intellectual property. I imagine that Riptard is reaching out to every news outlet he can reach to try to spread this story right now. Agreed. But in the same post you also say this?
Quote:In my opinion what CCP should do is make a public example of E1. A lifetime ban, bio massing all his accounts and assets, a permanent ban on his name, address, cards GÇô everything. The reason given should be GÇ£Bringing CCPGÇÖs IP into disreputeGÇ¥. So CCP should lifetime ban the person who did something to another player (not based on him breaking any rules, but just on public opinion), but does not take action against the player who, to quote "I imagine that Riptard is reaching out to every news outlet he can reach to try to spread this story right now."
Logic behind that? |
Salvos Rhoska
767
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:09:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:No, it's not clearly explained at all, it's white-washed away with excuses and sensationalism.
No scam can happen, no 'torture' would have taken place, if Sokhar had given Ero nothing. If Sokhar, at any point, had chosen differently, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all.
As is specifically outlined in my post, the circumstances under which torture occur, are immaterial to whether torture is occuring.
"Since 1973Amnesty International has adopted the simplest, broadest definition of torture:
"Torture is the systematic and deliberate infliction of acute pain by one person on another, or on a third person, in order to accomplish the purpose of the former against the will of the latter."
Erotica1 inflicts systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain, through means of several hours of subjecting the victim to demeaning and humiliating tasks alongside harassment and insulting from himself and his peers, in order to accomplish their purpose of causing the victim to leave the situation, against the will of the victim to fulfill the Bonus Rooms demands for the reward promised in the contract of the Bonus Room between the victim and the perpetrators.
It is not necessary to be restrained or prevented from being able to remove oneself from the situation, for it to constitue torture, and in this incidence, it is exactly that which the perpetrators are leveraging against the victim.
It is also not necessary for the victim to have entered involuntarily into the situation in which the torture occurs. It is immaterial how the victim ends up in the situation in which he is tortured, all that is material, is whether what the victim is subjected to in that situation, constitutes torture as defined above.
An analogy would be a wife remaining in an abusive relationship with a husband who inflicts upon her systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain, because she knows that if she files for divorce, all the assets, including the house, would remain in the property of her husband, as they are in his name. What the husband is doing to her, though superficially enabled by her remaining, nonetheless constitutes torture, as he is accomplishing the purposes of his will, namely of her remaining there for him to torture, against the will of the latter to leave the situation, as he knows full well she can and will not because then she is homeless and destitute.
In Erotica1s Bonus Room torture itself is the MEANS whereby they accomplish their goal and will, of, sooner or later, forcing the victim to leave the situation, at which point Erotica1 wins the Bonus Room. This is achieved by inflicting on the victim systemaric and deliberate acute psychological pain.
That Erotica1 causes the victims acute psychological pain, is evidenced by the psychological state the conduct they are subjected to in the Bonus Room results in. The victims are obviously suffering from it. Of that there is no question.
A Dev has been made to sing for his ship. But he did not suffer acute psychological pain in the process. It is evident from the recording, however that Sohkar and his wife, did.
Torture is internationally held illegal in almost every jurisdiction on Earth, including ALL international legal agencies.
Any even superficial indication of torture occuring, needs to be investigated thoroughly by all concerned authorities. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1784
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:09:00 -
[5524] - Quote
277....ish pages of rage, trolling, and other misc stuff.
When will it get locked/deleted?
Only time will tell! New player experience, more highsec PvE missions, casual play, balance, counters to AFK cloaking, expanding the NEX store, and Power Projection.
Azami Nevinyrall for CSM9! |
Qalix
Long Jump.
233
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:09:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:That entire 'elaboration' relies on the false premise that Sokhar was there against his will. Your 'elaboration' falls apart with a false premise. Do you even logic? This is clearly explained in my post here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219The will of the perpetrators in the Bonus Room is that the victim leaves the room. The will of the victim in the Bonus Room is to fulfill the contract and receive his reward. The perpetrators of the Bonus Room facilitate their will, that the victim leaves the room, by subjecting him to torture. Torture is internationally pronounced illegal in almost every single jurisdiction on Earth. Any even superficial indication that torture might be occuring requires immediate investigation by all concerned parties and authorities. The simple way of saying it is that it's a Catch-22.
BTW, you can stop posting now. Nothing you say or do is going to change any minds. It will, however, increase the page count, dilute your and other arguments, and place the really good tidbits out of reach of everyone who isn't willing to wade through 300 pages of trolling/reverse trolling/bad poasting. |
PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
141
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:09:00 -
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Danalee wrote:PinkPanter wrote: Lol you are talking to a alliance member that kicked E1 beacase of **** like that. How more stupid can you get blunt razor?
And you know WHY I believe him? Beacuse it's one of extremely few cases where even a goon tries to stay away from it and definitely does not want to be associated with. That alone is a ******* miracle and solid proof how far E1 is pushing people.
I don't care of who's in on the crusade against another player. I'm posting in regards to this posse formed by a vindictive csm against someone who just scammed some players and asked them to sing songs. I don't care one iota for any internal politics in goons or who kicked who for what. It is irrelevant. I listened to the recording and heard someone having a laugh and someone being a bigot, a racist and threatening a fellow man with murder. Try and take it any direction you want but this says a lot more about you than it does about me. My razor is quite sharp, thank you very much. D. And that's your problem and narrow mindset. Want to know the FACTS? Keep digging instead of satisfying yourself with the first page of words and ignore everything else.
Bravo. Tabloids must be your daily routine for world news and politics.
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Daeusvar
Adaptive Killers Inc.
2
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:09:00 -
[5527] - Quote
Throwing my support behind the 'Ban Erotica 1' bandwagon.
CCP I strongly hope you listen to your community on this one.
The EVE player base does not lose their proverbial **** over scammers. Not like this.
Erotica 1 is a vile, sociopathic piece of work and the allegations of coercion to provide naked pics of significant others should be passed on to the relevant authorities.
Goons, even you guys kicked him for being a creepy scum bag. Please provide what evidence you can to CCP of these allegations.
In game ramifications only are not enough, legal authorities need to be involved. |
lollerwaffle
Perkone Caldari State
229
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:10:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:lollerwaffle wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:For that I believe he should be perma banned, of course many disagree which is there right. Good post with solid reasoning. I disagree with the above, but let's just agree to disagree on that. I do however have one thing to bring up. You believe that Erotica 1 should be banned based on what he did, rather than if he broke any rules. On the other hand, I find it distasteful that no less than a CSM, someone who should be objective in presenting his views, is inciting a hate campaign against one player. In addition, he is actually giving EVE a bad name by posting this on various blogs/internet posting sites etc. This would mean he may be at fault for breaching the following term of the EULA (no matter how vaguely it is written): ToS wrote: You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies
Would Sokhar's racist and anti-ethnic views be considered as advocated by said CSM by omission? Would you support a ban on the CSM in light of the above? Just curious to know where you stand on this. If he was advocating these views then yes I would, however he is reporting what happened. The two whilst can look similar are completely different. I doubt anybody would in any seriousness would say that Jester is in anyway shape or form advocating any of groups or philosophies Then why does he not comment on the vile language and RL death threats uttered by the 'victim'? |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
942
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:11:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:against the will of the latter Entering the bonus room in voluntary.
Turns out I don't have to go out for nearly another hour.
Try again later.
Regards, Crumplecorn [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Asuka Langley S
Anime Masters Pasta Syndicate
6
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:11:00 -
[5530] - Quote
Daeusvar wrote:Throwing my support behind the 'Ban Erotica 1' bandwagon.
CCP I strongly hope you listen to your community on this one.
The EVE player base does not lose their proverbial **** over scammers. Not like this.
Erotica 1 is a vile, sociopathic piece of work and the allegations of coercion to provide naked pics of significant others should be passed on to the relevant authorities.
Goons, even you guys kicked him for being a creepy scum bag. Please provide what evidence you can to CCP of these allegations.
In game ramifications only are not enough, legal authorities need to be involved.
"I gave him all my space pixels"
Good Lord, call the police!! |
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Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
698
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:11:00 -
[5531] - Quote
PinkPanter wrote:Danalee wrote:PinkPanter wrote: Lol you are talking to a alliance member that kicked E1 beacase of **** like that. How more stupid can you get blunt razor?
And you know WHY I believe him? Beacuse it's one of extremely few cases where even a goon tries to stay away from it and definitely does not want to be associated with. That alone is a ******* miracle and solid proof how far E1 is pushing people.
I don't care of who's in on the crusade against another player. I'm posting in regards to this posse formed by a vindictive csm against someone who just scammed some players and asked them to sing songs. I don't care one iota for any internal politics in goons or who kicked who for what. It is irrelevant. I listened to the recording and heard someone having a laugh and someone being a bigot, a racist and threatening a fellow man with murder. Try and take it any direction you want but this says a lot more about you than it does about me. My razor is quite sharp, thank you very much. And that's your problem and narrow mindset. Want to know the FACTS? Keep digging instead of satisfying yourself with the first page of words and ignore everything else. Bravo. Tabloids must be your daily routine for world news and politics.
Unlike you, I've read everything posted and have spoken to many of the people involved. Unless you can provide me with proof to the contrary of what my proof points out, I'm quite confident in bringing this madness to light.
D.
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
154
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:11:00 -
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Danalee wrote: No such links exist. Ero NEVER asked ANYONE to do that stuff.
You are a lying little prick defending a racist bigot.
As it is you who was screaming for proof somewhere (at least I think so...)
where's the proof that E1 never did that stuff? (personally, I don't care as this is not the point)
I didn't see many people trying to defend Sokhar. That is your interpretation.
Also, as in Kindergarten, one wrong cannot be excused by another. e.g. You're not allowed to steal from a rapist. And to me it just doesn't look very right to do what is being done in the bonus room. But I'd refrain from a ban for now. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2967
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:12:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:No, it's not clearly explained at all, it's white-washed away with excuses and sensationalism.
No scam can happen, no 'torture' would have taken place, if Sokhar had given Ero nothing. If Sokhar, at any point, had chosen differently, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all. I'm a human echo chamber because fresh, reasonable arguments are beyond my ability to handle.
I know, it must be difficult for you. Anyway, I've addressed what makes your entire 'elaboration' collapse under any sensible, reasonable position of a rational, logical human being who qualifies as a halfwit. Ignore it all you want, but the good lawyers don't ignore facts :) You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4720
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:12:00 -
[5534] - Quote
I welcome a civil debate between myself and Ripard on a neutral teamspeak moderated by Chribba. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Asuka Langley S
Anime Masters Pasta Syndicate
6
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:12:00 -
[5535] - Quote
Salvos Rhoska wrote:[quote=Remiel Pollard] ---
I am quite convinced that you are taking us for a ruse cruise at this point. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2317
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:12:00 -
[5536] - Quote
Crumplecorn wrote:In my day we posted ASCII spam. Over dial-up modems. In the snow. Both ways.
That's lovely.
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
223
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:13:00 -
[5537] - Quote
Daeusvar wrote:Throwing my support behind the 'Ban Erotica 1' bandwagon.
CCP I strongly hope you listen to your community on this one. Yes CCP, please start banning players based on popular vote. That couldn't possibly end badly. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
942
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:13:00 -
[5538] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:277....ish pages of rage, trolling, and other misc stuff.
When will it get locked/deleted?
Only time will tell! This may be your last chance to win most-frequent-poster-in-the-thread! Act now and we'll throw in free likes for every pro-E1 post! But wait, there's more! We'll also throw in free likes for every anti-E1 post! Don't miss out! Post today! [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Korhaka Mirunas
Unkindness Incorporated Unkind Initiative
15
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:13:00 -
[5539] - Quote
Daeusvar wrote:Throwing my support behind the 'Ban Erotica 1' bandwagon.
CCP I strongly hope you listen to your community on this one.
The EVE player base does not lose their proverbial **** over scammers. Not like this.
Erotica 1 is a vile, sociopathic piece of work and the allegations of coercion to provide naked pics of significant others should be passed on to the relevant authorities.
Goons, even you guys kicked him for being a creepy scum bag. Please provide what evidence you can to CCP of these allegations.
In game ramifications only are not enough, legal authorities need to be involved.
You want CCP to listen to a community that cant even agree with its self? And have you actually listened to the clip, or just taking someone else's word for what happens within it. |
Ssieth
Tenebras Exteriores Dominatus Atrum Mortis
22
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:13:00 -
[5540] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:277....ish pages of rage, trolling, and other misc stuff.
When will it get locked/deleted?
Only time will tell!
Soon I hope. It should be obvious to everyone now that this is an issue that polarizes the community. One on which there will be no agreement and only really a chance for things to spiral down lower in the gutter.
Clearly it's something that CCP need to take seriously, the depth of feeling in the community (on both sides) is clear and it needs CCP to think hard about this and to produce a definitive statement that will hopefully left folks move on.
What it really _doesn't_ need is pages and pages of more opinions on whether someone should or shouldn't face the ban-hammer. |
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PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
141
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:13:00 -
[5541] - Quote
Danalee wrote:PinkPanter wrote:Danalee wrote:PinkPanter wrote: Lol you are talking to a alliance member that kicked E1 beacase of **** like that. How more stupid can you get blunt razor?
And you know WHY I believe him? Beacuse it's one of extremely few cases where even a goon tries to stay away from it and definitely does not want to be associated with. That alone is a ******* miracle and solid proof how far E1 is pushing people.
I don't care of who's in on the crusade against another player. I'm posting in regards to this posse formed by a vindictive csm against someone who just scammed some players and asked them to sing songs. I don't care one iota for any internal politics in goons or who kicked who for what. It is irrelevant. I listened to the recording and heard someone having a laugh and someone being a bigot, a racist and threatening a fellow man with murder. Try and take it any direction you want but this says a lot more about you than it does about me. My razor is quite sharp, thank you very much. And that's your problem and narrow mindset. Want to know the FACTS? Keep digging instead of satisfying yourself with the first page of words and ignore everything else. Bravo. Tabloids must be your daily routine for world news and politics. Unlike you, I've read everything posted and have spoken to many of the people involved. Unless you can provide me with proof to the contrary of what my proof points out, I'm quite confident in bringing this madness to light. D.
I'm sure CCP already knows it. Now will somebody give us a link to posts that contain material that will give you a insta ban here at least on forums??
LAWL |
Razefummel
Unknown Dimension Alpha Volley Union
868
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:14:00 -
[5542] - Quote
Just a little thing from a Carebear like me:
We read the EULA and ToS. After that we will see that scamming ist ALLOWED. Than we will see if this Soundcloud file is an case of harrasement or not.
IF it is --> Permaban IF it-¦s NOT --> Nothing has to happen.
Just as easy as that. And CCP allone has to decide IF or IF NOT. Otherwise we coud just burn the next witch after that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I
fly safe
Raze 21 Tage Trial: https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=5a429c6a-3cfd-4ecd-8ffc-0d8921dbbaad&action=buddy Difficile est saturam non scribere. |
Salvos Rhoska
767
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:14:00 -
[5543] - Quote
Qalix wrote:---BTW, you can stop posting now. Nothing you say or do is going to change any minds. It will, however, increase the page count, dilute your and other arguments, and place the really good tidbits out of reach of everyone who isn't willing to wade through 300 pages of trolling/reverse trolling/bad poasting.
It gives CCP cause to thoroughly investigate and audit Erotica1's activities in any extension to the service they provide.
For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in the Bonus Room constitutes torture: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5461
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:15:00 -
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Druthlen wrote:Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Ssieth wrote:It's pretty pure and simple really. If this is the sort of behaviour that CCP are happy to be associated with EVE then they need do nothing but shrug and say "it's the nature of EVE, live with it".
If they don't want this sort of behaviour to be associated with EVE then they need to take a strong stance (altering EULA if required).
Sittining in the middle doing nothing looks a bit weak no matter what they think. If you're talking about the carebears hauling pitchforks up to Ero's doorstep, then yes, CCP needs to start cleaning up this thread. Better yet, lock it and be done with it. Because no behaviour has been worse than that on display in this thread by the carebears with the pitchforks wishing for harmful things to befall Ero IRL. Not even Sokhar's. Really. It shows how completely worthless the forum moderation is around here. Broken rules generally get threads locked, usually on the flimsiest of pretenses. IE: A thread gets trolled by asshats. If CCP just 'doesn't like' the subject because it puts them in a bad light - BAM - thread locked for trolling. On the other hand, of the mods LIKE the topic - "Hey, lets allow 260 pages of hate slamming Erotica 1 as a pretense for nerfing his playstyle!" - Well, then rules don't matter and the ISD's are directed to go on vacation. Trolling, hate, personal attacks, this thread has it all. But guess what, its still chugging along. CCP Falcon and the forum mods have really shamed themselves here and deserve any lack of respect hey have earned. Torturing a person in TS is not a playstyle. Its just sick. I agree. If the "victim" considers singing a song and reading text upon request torture, it is indeed sick that he willingly subjected himself to it for a couple of hours.
Takes all types I guess. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2971
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:17:00 -
[5545] - Quote
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Qalix wrote:---BTW, you can stop posting now. Nothing you say or do is going to change any minds. It will, however, increase the page count, dilute your and other arguments, and place the really good tidbits out of reach of everyone who isn't willing to wade through 300 pages of trolling/reverse trolling/bad poasting. It gives CCP cause to thoroughly investigate and audit Erotica1's activities in any extension to the service they provide. For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in the Bonus Room constitutes torture: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219
CCP are quite aware you are a moron though, as is anyone that is capable of rational thought due to you demonstrating it of yourself time and again, as well as your outright lies, so they will ignore anything you say anyway. Why do you keep going? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
701
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:17:00 -
[5546] - Quote
PinkPanter wrote: Quick! I don't have anything factuous to say, let's shoot a messenger!
Nice...
D.
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Salvos Rhoska
768
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:18:00 -
[5547] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:[CCP are quite aware you are a moron though, as is anyone that is capable of rational thought due to you demonstrating it of yourself time and again, as well as your outright lies, so they will ignore anything you say anyway. Why do you keep going?
Insults and ad hominem disregarded.
I keep going because it is my prerogative to do so, and I will not stand by idly while people are potentially being subjected to what constitutes torture, in a game that I love. For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2320
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:19:00 -
[5548] - Quote
embrel wrote:
where's the proof that E1 never did that stuff? (personally, I don't care as this is not the point)
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
You cant prove a negative. There are many nasty things Erotica 1 is guilty of. As much as I would like Erotica 1 to be guilty of extorting explicit photos of someone, (something that he could easily be banned for) there is no proof that such a thing happened. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Prince Kobol
1533
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:19:00 -
[5549] - Quote
lollerwaffle wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:lollerwaffle wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:For that I believe he should be perma banned, of course many disagree which is there right. Good post with solid reasoning. I disagree with the above, but let's just agree to disagree on that. I do however have one thing to bring up. You believe that Erotica 1 should be banned based on what he did, rather than if he broke any rules. On the other hand, I find it distasteful that no less than a CSM, someone who should be objective in presenting his views, is inciting a hate campaign against one player. In addition, he is actually giving EVE a bad name by posting this on various blogs/internet posting sites etc. This would mean he may be at fault for breaching the following term of the EULA (no matter how vaguely it is written): ToS wrote: You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies
Would Sokhar's racist and anti-ethnic views be considered as advocated by said CSM by omission? Would you support a ban on the CSM in light of the above? Just curious to know where you stand on this. If he was advocating these views then yes I would, however he is reporting what happened. The two whilst can look similar are completely different. I doubt anybody would in any seriousness would say that Jester is in anyway shape or form advocating any of groups or philosophies Then why does he not comment on the vile language and RL death threats uttered by the 'victim'?
Well since I am not Jester I can only hazard a guess.
I will guess and say he is giving Sokhar the benefit of the doubt because he was under severe distress and had been driven to the point where he lost all control.
Now not knowing Sokhar personally I have no idea if he has ever voiced these kind of view points before in a calm and rational manner.
Whilst I personally feel these views are abhorrent, I do consider myself a fair person and understand that under certain circumstances when a person is in a highly emotional state then can say things that they regret later on.
However with that and still giving him the benefit of the doubt that he only said the things that he did due to the pressure he was under and his state of mind, he should still receive a ban if E1 does. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:[CCP are quite aware you are a moron though, as is anyone that is capable of rational thought due to you demonstrating it of yourself time and again, as well as your outright lies, so they will ignore anything you say anyway. Why do you keep going? Insults and ad hominem disregarded.
It's not ad hominem if it's demonstrable. And it's not ad hominem if your arguments have been addressed. Which I've done. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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