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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4533
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:33:00 -
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It is possible to get angry enough that the mind searches for "the worst things to say".
Mel Gibson for example. Nobody goes into an explosive rant better IMO.
Now back in my day (TM) when people went into this state, it was uncommon for it to be full of racial and sexual slang and epithets.
Why was that?
Because back then such words were not lent such power. There was no political correctness turning mere words (which were also interchangeably used as terms of endearment) into weapons of mass destruction.
So now, when someone has gone completely off the end of their rope, their mind looks to the "shelf" of the worst things to say.
And guess what's on that shelf now, thanks to 20+ years of political correctness?
So of course it's only expected that the same victims (or fools who can't see how manipulated they are) will act like the person who said those words has committed an act completely disconnected from the mental state, one that was induced, in which those words were said.
It's like winning a trophy for these people, the sort that would use such incident as a whip of progressiveness to beat others with, such as "Oh so you say he was under duress? Why are you a racist too?".
The tactic is plainly obvious, and I see people do this on Twitter all of the time too. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Prince Kobol
1535
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:34:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Really ppl are supporting this ? All the in game scamming, pvp and what ever is fine, using Eve to pull someone out of the game so you can bully them isn't.
Even if they avoided the EULA and such this reflectts poorly on the Eve community and saying he did nothing wrong in game so it's fine is laughable. They used Eve to put him in the situation.
Send this to all the gaming sites BBC etc and see what the general response is.
Its not about Eve its about being a decent human being.
Tal And another one completely and utterly misses the point. Nobody is saying what was done was tasteful, or even funny. We are saying no rules were broken and a ban is not an appropriate response from CCP. Does it become clear yet?
No because we do not know if any rules were broken.
The rules are open to interpretation, we each have own opinion on how the rules can be interpreted. The only people who can say definitely if any rules were broken is CCP.
I guess with time we will find out. |
PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
141
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:35:00 -
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Let's see if they find it interesting.
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
329
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:36:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:I welcome a civil debate between myself and Ripard on a neutral teamspeak moderated by Chribba.
I welcome you, your alts and your gang of emotional rapists out of my game. Get out, dont come back. |
Harah Noud
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:37:00 -
[5585] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Really ppl are supporting this ? All the in game scamming, pvp and what ever is fine, using Eve to pull someone out of the game so you can bully them isn't.
Even if they avoided the EULA and such this reflectts poorly on the Eve community and saying he did nothing wrong in game so it's fine is laughable. They used Eve to put him in the situation.
Send this to all the gaming sites BBC etc and see what the general response is.
Its not about Eve its about being a decent human being.
Tal And another one completely and utterly misses the point. Nobody is saying what was done was tasteful, or even funny. We are saying no rules were broken and a ban is not an appropriate response from CCP. Does it become clear yet?
fortunately it s not up to u to decide or ascertain if the rules were broken or not... u just can say that "u don't think that the rules were broken..."
meanwhile, i think that they were :o and even if they don't, new rules should be written to stop such behavior! |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
696
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:38:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:I welcome a civil debate between myself and Ripard on a neutral teamspeak moderated by Chribba. I welcome you, your alts and your gang of emotional rapists out of my game. Get out, dont come back.
I vote you should leave, because your toxic posting is terrible for this community. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
948
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:39:00 -
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Harah Noud wrote:fortunately it s not up to u to decide or ascertain if the rules were broken or not... u just can say that "u don't think that the rules were broken..."
meanwhile, i believe that they were :o and even if they don't, new rules should be written to stop such behavior!
Do you perchance work in the Russian government? [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Jerome Gouillot
Pangalactic Frontline Supply Agency
15
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:39:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:lollerwaffle wrote:[quote=Prince Kobol][quote=lollerwaffle] Then why does he not comment on the vile language and RL death threats uttered by the 'victim'? (...) I have been called a scouse ******* a number of times, does that mean the person has a hatred of scouses or did they call me that because I am actually scouse? The answer is there is no way of telling, especially the heat of the moment. It usually something which shows overtime by a person actions.
Sir, I apologise for english being not even my second language. You are not sure whether or not you are a beef skew? I'd suggest you take a bite. Could be lamb as well ...
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2091
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:40:00 -
[5589] - Quote
The scam part is fine, this is the part that isn't acceptable for me, and why I consider the bahaviour of Ero and his buddies to be beyond the pale.
"...Early in the proceedings, the victim admits to having a minor speech impediment that quickly becomes apparent. One of the instigators pounces on this and suggests that any word the victim cannot pronounce properly, he be made to look up the definition for and read that definition as well..."
The above quote is taken from Jester's blog on the subject. This is not a signature. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2975
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:40:00 -
[5590] - Quote
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:I welcome a civil debate between myself and Ripard on a neutral teamspeak moderated by Chribba. I welcome you, your alts and your gang of emotional rapists out of my game. Get out, dont come back.
'Your' game?
You're paying my sub now? THANKS!! :D You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
149
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:41:00 -
[5591] - Quote
Interesting 3 accounts stopped replying at the same time.
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H aVo K
Tycheon Industries Northern Associates.
18
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:41:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:I welcome you, your alts and your gang of emotional rapists out of my game. Get out, dont come back.
You are essentially the archetype of those who wish to protect the stupid from themselves.
E1's ilk are essentially the archetype of those who wish to fleece the stupid.
Between the two of you, you represent everything wrong with society; I wish you'd both leave. |
lollerwaffle
Perkone Caldari State
238
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:41:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:It is a valid argument, one I have head many times.
I usually reply with when you were a teenager how many times did you said I hate you mum / dad? Does that mean that as a teenager you truly hated them?
How many times have you heard somebody say "I wish you were dead" Did they really mean they wished they would die?
How many people have said in the heat of the moment to a partner I hate you only to then go on and live happy joyful lives together?
I have been called a scouse ******* a number of times, does that mean the person has a hatred of scouses or did they call me that because I am actually scouse?
The answer is there is no way of telling, especially the heat of the moment. It usually something which shows overtime by a person actions. Good answer. I will say this though, apart from in jests with my friends, I have never once said "I hate you" in anger to a person without meaning it.
Same goes to "wish you were dead", not even in jest.
I have been often called a chinky slit-eyed bastard, especially while living/working in predominantly white nations. And yes I agree that these words may be uttered in anger without actual hatred/discrimination on the part of the utterer.
However, I have been threatened with physical violence before, and the people saying tend to attempt to follow up. If and when I threatened someone with physical violence, it would be because I meant it.
So discarding the notion that Sokhar is a racist bigot, the threat of physical violence, in my opinion is a very serious matter, especially when it is uttered over a VIDEO GAME. In short, my conclusion is that even if Sokhar is not a racist, the fact is that he threatened another video game player with physical violence over a video game, and the author makes no mention of this fact.
Could you not consider this as advocating one or the other by (A) presenting a biased view; (B) omitting the over-the-top reaction from the other player? |
lollerwaffle
Perkone Caldari State
238
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:42:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:The scam part is fine, this is the part that isn't acceptable for me, and why I consider the bahaviour of Ero and his buddies to be beyond the pale.
"...Early in the proceedings, the victim admits to having a minor speech impediment that quickly becomes apparent. One of the instigators pounces on this and suggests that any word the victim cannot pronounce properly, he be made to look up the definition for and read that definition as well..."
The above quote is taken from Jester's blog on the subject. Did you listen to the recording? |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2975
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:42:00 -
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Harah Noud wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Really ppl are supporting this ? All the in game scamming, pvp and what ever is fine, using Eve to pull someone out of the game so you can bully them isn't.
Even if they avoided the EULA and such this reflectts poorly on the Eve community and saying he did nothing wrong in game so it's fine is laughable. They used Eve to put him in the situation.
Send this to all the gaming sites BBC etc and see what the general response is.
Its not about Eve its about being a decent human being.
Tal And another one completely and utterly misses the point. Nobody is saying what was done was tasteful, or even funny. We are saying no rules were broken and a ban is not an appropriate response from CCP. Does it become clear yet? fortunately it s not up to u to decide or ascertain if the rules were broken or not... u just can say that "u don't think that the rules were broken..." meanwhile, i think that they were :o and even if they don't, new rules should be written to stop such behavior!
Fortunately, it's not up to you either, or the mob with the pitchforks. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Asuka Langley S
Anime Masters Pasta Syndicate
9
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:42:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:The scam part is fine, this is the part that isn't acceptable for me, and why I consider the bahaviour of Ero and his buddies to be beyond the pale.
"...Early in the proceedings, the victim admits to having a minor speech impediment that quickly becomes apparent. One of the instigators pounces on this and suggests that any word the victim cannot pronounce properly, he be made to look up the definition for and read that definition as well..."
The above quote is taken from Jester's blog on the subject.
I implore you tro actually listen to thr recording as Jester has been proven to be heavily biased and lie. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1462
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:42:00 -
[5597] - Quote
This thread has a life of it's own, Threadzilla!
Anyway, taking bets on CCPs response, if any, being along the lines of: "We cannot take action on events that do not happen within our services. We are neither for nor against any behaviour a person takes outside of our system, with the exceptions of agreements made with CSM candidates." The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Razefummel
Unknown Dimension Alpha Volley Union
869
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:43:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Razefummel wrote:Just a little thing from a Carebear like me: We read the EULA and ToS. After that we will see that scamming ist ALLOWED. Than we will see if this Soundcloud file is an case of harrasement or not. IF it is --> Permaban IF it-¦s NOT --> Nothing has to happen. Just as easy as that. And CCP allone has to decide IF or IF NOT. Otherwise we coud just burn the next witch after that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0Ifly safe Raze Well scamming is and will always be allowed. People are not saying (well most people anyway) that scamming should be banned. It is the act of using the scam to get people out of game, recording it, causing as much humiliation as possible then posting the results on the internet for all to hear and to maximise the humiliation that is the issue.
Well. I don-¦t know wich type of Teamspeakclient the Victim uses, but in all of them I HAD yet was an red cross to close it. So instead of screaming "Scum" and "Stfu" ans so on, he had always the Option to leave after realising that ge got scamed.
just thinking...
btw.
CCP is generaly "supporting Scam" so this Player is "Coleteral Damage".
Greetings
Raze 21 Tage Trial: https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=5a429c6a-3cfd-4ecd-8ffc-0d8921dbbaad&action=buddy Difficile est saturam non scribere. |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2478
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:43:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:I invite you to introduce your 'way of thinking' (I refuse to use the word logic for what you're attempting) at a TED conference one day.
A TED talk on how:
staying up late to play video games = forced sleep deprivation singing a song = acute psychological pain debasing yourself in pursuit of spaceship pixels = being tortured
Also, if you, as a self-described lawyer, could explain how the options available to and actions of the alleged victim are "not material" to determining if criminal harassment has taken place, that would be great too.
TED would love it. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2975
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:43:00 -
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PinkPanter wrote:Interesting 3 accounts stopped replying at the same time. Sorry I'm slow. Just trying to find more news sources I can submit this story to. Let's see what happens and how outside world sees it. I'm genuinely interested as I'm playing this game long enough to have my vision skewed.
Are you about to form a circumstantial correlation as proof of something that doesn't actually prove anything? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10847
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:43:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:
No because we do not know if any rules were broken.
The rules are open to interpretation, we each have own opinion on how the rules can be interpreted. The only people who can say definitely if any rules were broken is CCP.
I guess with time we will find out.
We know what the rules are.
This is a rather simple case of people wanting to ban someone because they don't like what they did. It doesn't matter to them if rules were broken or not.
The worst part of all of this is that these people have been tossing about worse things that are against the rules both in the recording and in this very thread which are bannable offences. Yet for whatever reason people are choosing to ignore this and are gunning for someone who have broken no rules. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Regis Solo
The Scope Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:43:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:lollerwaffle wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:lollerwaffle wrote: Then why does he not comment on the vile language and RL death threats uttered by the 'victim'?
Well since I am not Jester I can only hazard a guess. I will guess and say he is giving Sokhar the benefit of the doubt because he was under severe distress and had been driven to the point where he lost all control. Now not knowing Sokhar personally I have no idea if he has ever voiced these kind of view points before in a calm and rational manner. Whilst I personally feel these views are abhorrent, I do consider myself a fair person and understand that under certain circumstances when a person is in a highly emotional state then can say things that they regret later on. However with that and still giving him the benefit of the doubt that he only said the things that he did due to the pressure he was under and his state of mind, he should still receive a ban if E1 does. Ah, this brings us back to something someone wrote earlier: If said person does not already harbour such thoughts in his heart, what would possess him to utter it during loss of control? Does it imply that the person is, at heart, a racist bigot/prone to RL violence/etc? In my moments of anger I have uttered words which I would normally not say to the other person, which tend to go along the lines of what I really think of them, but would normally not utter for the sake of maintaining a civil work/family relationship. Those words do not contain threats of physical violence or racist bigotry though, although they may be personal insults. What's your stance on this? It is a valid argument, one I have head many times. I usually reply with when you were a teenager how many times did you said I hate you mum / dad? Does that mean that as a teenager you truly hated them? How many times have you heard somebody say "I wish you were dead" Did they really mean they wished they would die? How many people have said in the heat of the moment to a partner I hate you only to then go on and live happy joyful lives together? I have been called a scouse ******* a number of times, does that mean the person has a hatred of scouses or did they call me that because I am actually scouse? The answer is there is no way of telling, especially the heat of the moment. It usually something which shows overtime by a person actions.
Ahh, a fellow scouser
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3132
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:44:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:This thread has a life of it's own, Threadzilla!
Anyway, taking bets on CCPs response, if any, being along the lines of: "We cannot take action on events that do not happen within our services. We are neither for nor against any behaviour a person takes outside of our system, with the exceptions of agreements made with CSM candidates." ...well that's probably the right answer.
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Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
701
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:44:00 -
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PinkPanter wrote:Interesting 3 accounts stopped replying at the same time. Sorry I'm slow. Just trying to find more news sources I can submit this story to. Let's see what happens and how outside world sees it. I'm genuinely interested as I'm playing this game long enough and might have my vision skewed.
The CNN post of yours got the running for the hills, I'm sure. Boyo what a smart cookie, happy to have you playing the same game as me.
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2091
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:44:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:The scam part is fine, this is the part that isn't acceptable for me, and why I consider the bahaviour of Ero and his buddies to be beyond the pale.
"...Early in the proceedings, the victim admits to having a minor speech impediment that quickly becomes apparent. One of the instigators pounces on this and suggests that any word the victim cannot pronounce properly, he be made to look up the definition for and read that definition as well..."
The above quote is taken from Jester's blog on the subject. Did you listen to the recording?
Nope, I have really bad hearing in real life, are you saying that Jester made that part up? This is not a signature. |
Salvos Rhoska
770
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:45:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Also, if you (salvos), as a self-described lawyer I have not anywhere claimed that I am a lawyer.
And how do you know I have not already spoken at TED? -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
230
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:45:00 -
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Asuka Langley S wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:The scam part is fine, this is the part that isn't acceptable for me, and why I consider the bahaviour of Ero and his buddies to be beyond the pale.
"...Early in the proceedings, the victim admits to having a minor speech impediment that quickly becomes apparent. One of the instigators pounces on this and suggests that any word the victim cannot pronounce properly, he be made to look up the definition for and read that definition as well..."
The above quote is taken from Jester's blog on the subject. I implore you tro actually listen to the recording as Jester has been proven to be heavily biased and lie. This x1000.
Jester blatantly lied about the nature of the bonus room. Put down your pitchforks and go listen to the recording. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10849
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:46:00 -
[5608] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:lollerwaffle wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:The scam part is fine, this is the part that isn't acceptable for me, and why I consider the bahaviour of Ero and his buddies to be beyond the pale.
"...Early in the proceedings, the victim admits to having a minor speech impediment that quickly becomes apparent. One of the instigators pounces on this and suggests that any word the victim cannot pronounce properly, he be made to look up the definition for and read that definition as well..."
The above quote is taken from Jester's blog on the subject. Did you listen to the recording? Nope, I have really bad hearing in real life, are you saying that Jester made that part up?
It seems he didnt listen to the recording either. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5465
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:46:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:I Riven I wrote:If I ask my daughter to sing and I give her a donut, but in the end I dont give here anything.
Is this mental abuse? Should I go to jail because of it?
Tell me about my wrong doings please. It depends, if it just once and between you and your daughter then of course not. How about if I offered my son some food and kept taking it away from him until he becomes very distressed, filmed it all and then posted it on youtube.. Then repeated this a number times and posted each clip, would that be okay with you? I take it you haven't seen the Jimmy Kimmel clips entitled "I told my kids I ate their Holloween candy".
HUGELY popular, although I don't care for them much.
3 years running
Keep in mind also, these are kids... not a full grown adult fully capable of saying no or clicking the X. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2320
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:46:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:It is possible to get angry enough that the mind searches for "the worst things to say".
Mel Gibson for example. Nobody goes into an explosive rant better IMO.
Now back in my day (TM) when people went into this state, it was uncommon for it to be full of racial and sexual slang and epithets.
Why was that?
Because back then such words were not lent such power. There was no political correctness turning mere words (which were also interchangeably used as terms of endearment) into weapons of mass destruction.
So now, when someone has gone completely off the end of their rope, their mind looks to the "shelf" of the worst things to say.
And guess what's on that shelf now, thanks to 20+ years of political correctness?
So of course it's only expected that the same victims (or fools who can't see how manipulated they are) will act like the person who said those words has committed an act completely disconnected from the mental state, one that was induced, in which those words were said.
It's like winning a trophy for these people, the sort that would use such incident as a whip of progressiveness to beat others with, such as "Oh so you say he was under duress? Why are you a racist too?".
The tactic is plainly obvious, and I see people do this on Twitter all of the time too.
Like I said, both Erotica 1 and his victims are at fault. The victims deserve zero sympathy. They knew exactly what they were getting into yet let their greed turn them into idiots. However what Erotica 1 does is just pure sadism with no rhyme or reason to it. He could get the same results (scamming people out of everything they own) by merely asking them to do the first part of the game (showing full faith). This would be perfectly fine. Asking them to do or say humiliating things is where Erotica 1 crosses the line from scammer to sadist. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
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