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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4473
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:29:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Out here in the real world you don't get to play the not-technically-breaking-the-rules card. Mr Epeen That's nonsense. Do you know how many people I have ACHED to arrest but couldn't because there wasn't enough evidence to file a case/no probable cause/not even enough reasonable suspicion to detain them. You can't imagine the number of times I've had to listen to some prosecutor tell me why a charge was dropped or downgraded to something lesser over some technicality when we KNEW the person was 'guilty' and had handed them what we beleived to be an iron clad "not even Jesus can help you" case. Knowing is not enough,it's what you can prove to a jury to 6-12 people.
If you live in the U.S., you break at least fifty laws before breakfast.
Blame the lazy lawyers for not getting convictions. It's not because of a lack of rules. If someone wants you bad enough, you go down. No matter how clever you think you are. And that's with ROL in a modern democracy. If CCP, as a dictatorship, feel it's in their best interest to get rid of Erotica 1, he's gone. Plain and simple. No amount of not-technically-breaking-the-rules will change that.
That's the real question. How will CCP swing on this?
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
156
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:29:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Well, since not acute pain was inflicted, and it was certainly not done against the "victims" will, you've pretty much invalidated everything but the most amusingly preposterous arguments calling for sanctions in this thread... and those arguments need no help from you to be ignored as complete rubbish. It is obviously apparent to any observer that Sohkar and his wife are suffering acute psychological pain as a result of the torture they are systematically and deliberately subjected to. Ranger 1 wrote:Reading text or singing a song upon REQUEST is not "acute pain" by anyone's standards, and if you can end the supposed "torture" at any time by simply leaving a TS channel it can hardly be considered "against his will". Read above. Ranger 1 wrote:Frankly the act of willfully submitting yourself to acute pain and humiliation of your own free will, when you are free to leave at any time, is called Masochism... not torture. As demonstrated in the link in my sig, the circumstances whereby a person enters into a situation where torture is enacted on them, is immaterial to whether it is torture. And as also demonstrated in the link in my sig, torture does not predicate the victim being restricted from leaving the situation in which he is being tortured. Neither of these considerations are material to whether what is being done to them, constitutes torture.
I guess we know now that you consider this to be torture and repeating it time and again won't convince anyone who thinks differently.
So... What about you stop repeating yourself as otherwise I just might start to believe that you try to torture us. |
Anomaly One
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:29:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Sorry! Still not reading :D
http://goo.gl/LmpivC Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk |
Giovanni erkelens2
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:29:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Its time to nerf highsec.
its time to nerf nullsec back to the days when nullspace was quiet and fun. ! |
Salvos Rhoska
800
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:30:00 -
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Capt Starfox wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Damage control and avoiding assets and accounts being seized for EULA violations, as well as potentially IRL legal prosecution Sorry, can you repeat that? Did you seriously just mis-quote that?
Its not an accurate quote...? -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5554
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:30:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Batelle wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Soldarius wrote:http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/
It's happening. Just looking at the comments, EVE is getting a ton of bad press from this. All these negative comments being made about EVE. Well, you're making mountains out of molehills. Massively sitll hasn't done any more than post an external link. Eve is already well-known in the gaming community. A handful of comments like that are indicative of nothing. Actually, most of the comments are painting EVE in a pretty good light.
And that is beautiful.
See, really emotional thinkers cling to the idea that other people will respond to situations the same way they do, and the 'lynch Erotica1 crowd' is mostly emotional thinkers. Probably Ripard Teg too.
So they put this info out there in hopes of a massive negative response that will validate their 'feelings' while getting E1 banned and making a warning to others.. What they got is an , at best, mixed response.
Then they get the one thing they weren't counting on: Support for the thing they thought everyone would be outraged about. The most likely outcome of publicizing Erotica1's activities is that more Erotica1s flock to EVE online to get a piece of that action..
Congrats to Ripard Teg, you just Eroxxed your own game by means of the Streisand Effect (ie you tried to censor E1 and ended up making more E1s lol) |
PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:30:00 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:LOL at the people that think the "bad press" over this hurts EVE. If stories about people losing thousands of dollars worth of stuff through a corp theft, AWOX, or suicide ganking are welcomed by CCP, so do you think they really give a rat's ass about this? I know minerbumping had a blog post about this a while ago, but I don't give a crap enough to go find it. I'm sure CCP has been aware of what happened here for quite some time. IMO the only person that did anything ban worthy was the "victim" for his racist rants and death threats. I've been pissed off enough at people to want to punch them, but never resorted to death threats and racist tirades, FFS.
Maybe you should go back to your bubbles if you think asking someone to sing stupid songs to get their pixels back qualifies as torture. Jesus Christ, you people are pathetic.
All you need is one parent that lost a kid due to cyberbulling with enough political connections and free time to **** it all up for us. I'm not sure how come nobody sees this. You have a world where you can go nuts on people so why the **** would you want to go further?? How ****** up you are to believe that to be the next cookie you must push the limit of cruelty and move it OUT of game to be able to continue doing so? |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3010
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:31:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:U seem mad. R u mad? Worried no more recordings from Bonus Room to fap to? AAaaaawwww! You seem to be enjoying yourself. Are you taking pleasure in someone else's emotional discomfort? Are you enjoying torturing poor Zuizien? Biomass, clown. There's no such thing as "bad" publicity, as long as they spell the name right. Remiel Pollard, you has failed me.
Wait!! It's 4 am in the morning and my fingers are failing me, but I can fix this!!! THE FORUMS HAS EDIT BUTANS!! You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Bayonnefrog
Hedion University Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:31:00 -
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PinkPanter wrote:baltec1 wrote:PinkPanter wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:You have won, ladies and gentlemen, you are getting your witch to burn at the stake **Can't quote the whole thing but to reply. I don't care what he does. All i care is how CCP will handle it and future copy cats. HTFU and don't post your tears of fake retribution here. You still have not posted what rules were broken. Yes I did. Quite a few times. Some might not see that as interpretation is left to CCP and CCP alone but that's how I see them. That's why I wrote that it's CCPs opinion that I'm interested in. I see it as stretching a rope to a point it will break one day but then it will be too late. It already happened in this game and luckly it picked up. Nobody knows what will next "crash" do to it. I want rules that can eliminate or allow for such behaviur. They need to be clear to ALL of us as eve is a pretty ****** up environment already. It's the only way to keep psychos on a leash and allow others to go fully creative on how to **** up others. If there are no certain and clear rules in a game like eve things are destined to hurt somebody in RL. Twitter, FB and other MMOs already proved it. If eve does then our freedom they way it is now will be pretty much cut and let's see then how we all like to play the civilized eve. Oh he deleted his toon?? UH OH he can go and BUY 10 more and continue doing what he does and others more hard core will step in just to be the NEXT cookie. This post of theirs is even bigger joke than the Bonus Room by itself.
They point to examples where people "won 10b and had fun so it's all good." But wasn't it they're goal to all along to find a participant like Sohkar? Push someone enough until they crack and provide audio to play over and over. While Sohkar is 100% not excused for the racist tirade he went on, I think in the end they got what they wanted. Why else would they post it online afterward?
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
335
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:31:00 -
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Xuixien wrote: ...defending cyber-bullying...deflecting...shifting blame....
GTFO and dont come back, sadist.
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Giovanni erkelens2
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:31:00 -
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TO THE 300 PAGES.
full of bullshit, minchbaggery and doucheness |
A Research Alt
Perkone Caldari State
147
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:32:00 -
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Giovanni erkelens2 wrote:TO THE 300 PAGES.
full of bullshit, minchbaggery and doucheness
It wouldn't be an EveO thread if it were anything else. |
PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:33:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:baltec1 wrote:PinkPanter wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:You have won, ladies and gentlemen, you are getting your witch to burn at the stake **Can't quote the whole thing but to reply. I don't care what he does. All i care is how CCP will handle it and future copy cats. HTFU and don't post your tears of fake retribution here. You still have not posted what rules were broken. Logic and reason, baltec. Not applicable to GD, unfortunately. And evidently, those two things are construed as tears now too. Here lemme try the other side of the fence for a moment. EROTICA 1 SHOULD DIE IN A FIRE AND BE DRAGGED THROUGH THE STREETS STILL SMOLDERING BECAUSE HE MADE SOMEONE SING ON TS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Meh, nope. Not for me. I prefer logic and reason. Y'know, truths, opposed to half truths and fabrications. Guess I will always lose the GD battle. vOv
It's all about logic actually. All this tear inflicted SOB post yet you can transfer all assets back and buy 10 new toons.
I know some of your participants had to be stupid but your attitude proves that you indeed are a ******. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3961
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:33:00 -
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So this entire thread is about 'feelings'? Man... |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3010
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:33:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Xuixien wrote: ...defending cyber-bullying...deflecting...shifting blame.... Strawmanning, frothing at the mouth, blowing things out of proportion and shifting the goalposts.
Giggidy. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
arabella blood
Revenant Tactical
246
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:33:00 -
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I must snipe that 300 page...DIBS!! Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3010
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:34:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:So this entire thread is about 'feelings'? Man... AND BITCHFORKING!!! You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Salvos Rhoska
800
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:34:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:So this entire thread is about 'feelings'? Man... Feelings -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
Anomaly One
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:34:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:I must snipe that 300 page...DIBS!!
YOU SHALL NOT PASS!! Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2497
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:34:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Effect One wrote:Go and find a legal definition of torture if you want to discuss legal principles. Amnesty International is the world leader in legal counsel on matters of human rights. If you wish to provide other definitions, feel free to do so. Have you read the link submitted in my sig?
Then maybe you should call them up and ask for their input instead of putting words in their mouths. I doubt they'd look to kindly on trivializing their core mission.
Also, since they represent people who have been tortured, its obviously in their interests to pick a broad a definition as possible.
But when they go to the ICC, they use the ICC's definition of torture, not their own, because its an actual court. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_against_Torture
Here's torture in US law. Turns out its not even a crime in this case because torture is a crime committed by a law enforcement agency or an agent acting on behalf of the government. It also specifically refers to physical custody.
So if you're going to say E1 tortured somebody, you're not even describing a crime. Whatever thing you say is constituting "torture" would have to be a crime in and of itself. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
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PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:34:00 -
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Bayonnefrog wrote:PinkPanter wrote:baltec1 wrote:PinkPanter wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:You have won, ladies and gentlemen, you are getting your witch to burn at the stake **Can't quote the whole thing but to reply. I don't care what he does. All i care is how CCP will handle it and future copy cats. HTFU and don't post your tears of fake retribution here. You still have not posted what rules were broken. Yes I did. Quite a few times. Some might not see that as interpretation is left to CCP and CCP alone but that's how I see them. That's why I wrote that it's CCPs opinion that I'm interested in. I see it as stretching a rope to a point it will break one day but then it will be too late. It already happened in this game and luckly it picked up. Nobody knows what will next "crash" do to it. I want rules that can eliminate or allow for such behaviur. They need to be clear to ALL of us as eve is a pretty ****** up environment already. It's the only way to keep psychos on a leash and allow others to go fully creative on how to **** up others. If there are no certain and clear rules in a game like eve things are destined to hurt somebody in RL. Twitter, FB and other MMOs already proved it. If eve does then our freedom they way it is now will be pretty much cut and let's see then how we all like to play the civilized eve. Oh he deleted his toon?? UH OH he can go and BUY 10 more and continue doing what he does and others more hard core will step in just to be the NEXT cookie. This post of theirs is even bigger joke than the Bonus Room by itself. They point to examples where people "won 10b and had fun so it's all good." But wasn't it they're goal to all along to find a participant like Sohkar? Push someone enough until they crack and provide audio to play over and over. While Sohkar is 100% not excused for the racist tirade he went on, I think in the end they got what they wanted. Why else would they post it online afterward?
Yeah. they wanted and they went public with it and now they are damage controlling and trying to make retards believe that somehow assets can't be trasnfeered back and that E1 can't get a new toon rofl.
**** me levels of their stupidity is beyyooooond anything I read in this forums for a loooong time hahah |
Bayonnefrog
Hedion University Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:34:00 -
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Jiorj wrote:does alpha podding a station sitter change anything about what thy can or can not do?
does their handing over of assets preclude the fact that said assets can be handed back later?
I love the paintball anecdote above. Inflicting an act on yourself does not make it ok to do it to others
but let me get this straight, alpha podding removes skill points from the player, there is no hope of getting a multiple of them back, you are doing solid damage and setting the character back time that must be reaquired slowly. and this was normal 'bonus room activity'?
so it was not just 'a couple of songs'
It was a massive post of spin. Has anyone in the pro-Ero camp reached out and tried to make this right with Sohkar? That's where it should begin.
It's telling that their best response to this mess it to continue what they've always done: play the bonus room one more time. Sad. |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cataclysmic Paradox
170
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:34:00 -
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Giovanni erkelens2 wrote:TO THE 300 PAGES.
full of bullshit, minchbaggery and doucheness
Onward and upward. Not full. I made a couple fair points after I stopped trolling |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
1027
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:35:00 -
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Bayonnefrog wrote:PinkPanter wrote:baltec1 wrote:PinkPanter wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:You have won, ladies and gentlemen, you are getting your witch to burn at the stake **Can't quote the whole thing but to reply. I don't care what he does. All i care is how CCP will handle it and future copy cats. HTFU and don't post your tears of fake retribution here. You still have not posted what rules were broken. Yes I did. Quite a few times. Some might not see that as interpretation is left to CCP and CCP alone but that's how I see them. That's why I wrote that it's CCPs opinion that I'm interested in. I see it as stretching a rope to a point it will break one day but then it will be too late. It already happened in this game and luckly it picked up. Nobody knows what will next "crash" do to it. I want rules that can eliminate or allow for such behaviur. They need to be clear to ALL of us as eve is a pretty ****** up environment already. It's the only way to keep psychos on a leash and allow others to go fully creative on how to **** up others. If there are no certain and clear rules in a game like eve things are destined to hurt somebody in RL. Twitter, FB and other MMOs already proved it. If eve does then our freedom they way it is now will be pretty much cut and let's see then how we all like to play the civilized eve. Oh he deleted his toon?? UH OH he can go and BUY 10 more and continue doing what he does and others more hard core will step in just to be the NEXT cookie. This post of theirs is even bigger joke than the Bonus Room by itself. They point to examples where people "won 10b and had fun so it's all good." But wasn't it they're goal to all along to find a participant like Sohkar? Push someone enough until they crack and provide audio to play over and over. While Sohkar is 100% not excused for the racist tirade he went on, I think in the end they got what they wanted. Why else would they post it online afterward?
Can you verify your hypothesis about their intent?
Also most Bonus Rounds are posted. It's just that most Bonus Rounds are actually quite boring to listen to and thus never get any publicity outside of our circle. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Salvos Rhoska
800
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:36:00 -
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Many good points.
Have you read the post submitted in my sig? -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
Sergeant Surplus
No Taxes Now No Taxes Ever
1
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:36:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:So this entire thread is about 'feelings'? Man...
Welcome to Modern Society; emo or stfu. |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
1027
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:36:00 -
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Bayonnefrog wrote:Jiorj wrote:does alpha podding a station sitter change anything about what thy can or can not do?
does their handing over of assets preclude the fact that said assets can be handed back later?
I love the paintball anecdote above. Inflicting an act on yourself does not make it ok to do it to others
but let me get this straight, alpha podding removes skill points from the player, there is no hope of getting a multiple of them back, you are doing solid damage and setting the character back time that must be reaquired slowly. and this was normal 'bonus room activity'?
so it was not just 'a couple of songs'
It was a massive post of spin. Has anyone in the pro-Ero camp reached out and tried to make this right with Sohkar? That's where it should begin. It's telling that their best response to this mess it to continue what they've always done: play the bonus room one more time. Sad.
Well I did add him to contacts.
I have not seen him online.
Also are you really from Bayonne? That place is a shithole. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2498
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:37:00 -
[5938] - Quote
Bayonnefrog wrote:But wasn't it they're goal to all along to find a participant like Sohkar? Push someone enough until they crack and provide audio to play over and over. While Sohkar is 100% not excused for the racist tirade he went on, I think in the end they got what they wanted. Why else would they post it online afterward?
No arguments with that assessment, but none of what you've described is a violation of law or any rules of Eve. Minus the racist tirade, of course. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Salvos Rhoska
800
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:37:00 -
[5939] - Quote
Xuixien wrote:Can you verify your hypothesis about their intent?
What is the intent then? -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
Imryn Xaran
Coherent Light Enterprises
44
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:38:00 -
[5940] - Quote
Brusanan wrote:For anyone who thinks the US government should be running bonus rounds in Guantanamo Bay, Erotica 1 himself will be finishing up his own bonus round tonight at 9:30 PM EST. It will be live streamed. He will read The Code. He will sing. We will take his stuff and then pod him repeatedly.
It will be horrible. I don't think Erotica will be able to live with himself afterwards, but I'm a psychopath so who cares?
So he's shifting all his stuff ahead of the banhammer? Good to know - are you taking notes CCP? |
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