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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3005
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:39:00 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:So... examples? What percentage actually get their stuff back. Hum, I can't remember specific client names, I'm usually too lazy to read them. Generally, the ones who win are funny newer players. Something else that no-one has mentioned yet, is that most clients who come into the bonus room are actually drunk. That's usually the reason they're there in the first place and also the reason I find it hard to sympathise with them, it's also why I have no reservations about making fun of them.
Oh god. |
Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
198
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:39:00 -
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I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure where the line is exactly. It doesn't matter though. E1 crossed it by a mile. Anyone with a shred of decency can see that.
That is why all the arguing about minutiae and the exact definition of the law or EULA is quite revealing. |
Salvos Rhoska
815
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:40:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:there have been winners of the Bonus Round.
What exactly is required of a non-affiliated participant in order to win? -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
Berendas
The Learning Curve. The Marmite Collective
847
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:40:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And another business day passes in CCP Iceland with no acknowledgement whatsoever, other that falcon shutting down duplicate threads. Eterne spends his day tweeting about how awesome Fanfest is and commenting on how cute some animae shot also tweeted.
But zero about this scandal, in any way. I know it will take likely take weeks to make some decision on this, but it is terrible business practice from a PR perspective not to acknowledge there is a crisis. The thing is, this should not be a crisis, it shouldn't even register on CCP's radar. People getting scammed, and even being invited to voice comms is a regular occurrence. The only reason this is even a thing is because an influential player took it upon himself to sensationalize and exaggerate this whole matter for his own benefit. What CCP should do is lock this thread and say no more on this issue, because in reality this is just business as usual for EVE. |
Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
198
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:40:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And another business day passes in CCP Iceland with no acknowledgement whatsoever, other that falcon shutting down duplicate threads. Eterne spends his day tweeting about how awesome Fanfest is and commenting on how cute some animae shot also tweeted.
But zero about this scandal, in any way. I know it will take likely take weeks to make some decision on this, but it is terrible business practice from a PR perspective not to acknowledge there is a crisis. Read a few pages back. CCP Falcon made a statement. Cut them some slack. It's not like this was penciled into their schedules. aand on that point E1 is right. CCP needs to think about this. |
H aVo K
Tycheon Industries Northern Associates.
40
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:41:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:H aVo K wrote:It is important that you understand that taking part in an unwinnable game doesn't mean you're being tortured Then what is the point of the unwinnable game?
That's a question for those that run it.
You've used the word "immaterial" a lot in this thread, one would think that you'd understand what it means.
The fact that those who run the unwinnable game may or may not have desires that could be described as being "perverse" has absolutely no bearing on whether or not the whole experience constitutes torture.
You could say... it's immaterial. |
Dave Stark
4779
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:41:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you've never been to a carnival have you? Aaah! Nice try at non-sequitor! I'll bite. They already have his assets before the Bonus Room begins. There is not one single further space cent to be squeezed out of him during the Bonus Room. So I ask again: What is the point of the unwinnable game?
and the guy at the carnival has my money before i play his game.
i ask you again, have you ever been to the carnival? |
Big Lynx
The Gun Runners Space Warriors
308
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:42:00 -
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Louis Robichaud wrote:I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure where the line is exactly. It doesn't matter though. E1 crossed it by a mile. Anyone with a shred of decency can see that.
That is why all the arguing about minutiae and the exact definition of the law or EULA is quite revealing.
And that's why we have that epic threadnaught here. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
723
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:42:00 -
[6249] - Quote
Louis Robichaud wrote:I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure where the line is exactly. It doesn't matter though. E1 crossed it by a mile. Anyone with a shred of decency can see that.
That is why all the arguing about minutiae and the exact definition of the law or EULA is quite revealing.
You don't know where the line is but can assume E1 crossed it by a mile because he asked a guy to read the Code, and sing a couple silly songs? But Sohkar, the foul mouthed threatening racist client is the victim.
Come on son. |
Salvos Rhoska
815
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:42:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I find it hard to sympathise with them, it's also why I have no reservations about making fun of them.
I think the actual reasons for why you find it hard to sympathise, and have no reservations about making fun of them, are rather different than you think. -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
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Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
198
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:42:00 -
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Berendas wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And another business day passes in CCP Iceland with no acknowledgement whatsoever, other that falcon shutting down duplicate threads. Eterne spends his day tweeting about how awesome Fanfest is and commenting on how cute some animae shot also tweeted.
But zero about this scandal, in any way. I know it will take likely take weeks to make some decision on this, but it is terrible business practice from a PR perspective not to acknowledge there is a crisis. The thing is, this should not be a crisis, it shouldn't even register on CCP's radar. People getting scammed, and even being invited to voice comms is a regular occurrence. The only reason this is even a thing is because an influential player took it upon himself to sensationalize and exaggerate this whole matter for his own benefit. What CCP should do is lock this thread and say no more on this issue, because in reality this is just business as usual for EVE.
What is Jester gaining here exactly? Are you saying that the bonus room in normal Eve game play? |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
1054
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:44:00 -
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Louis Robichaud wrote:What is Jester gaining here exactly?
A crapton of extra pageviews for his Eve is dying blog. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Vilar Diin
Norse'Storm Battle Group Li3 Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:44:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you've never been to a carnival have you? Aaah! Nice try at non-sequitor! I'll bite. They already have his assets before the Bonus Room begins. There is not one single further space cent to be squeezed out of him during the Bonus Room. So I ask again: What is the point of the unwinnable game? and the guy at the carnival has my money before i play his game. i ask you again, have you ever been to the carnival?
Oh you are a carnival kind of guy?
Do you like gladiator movies by chance? |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
723
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:45:00 -
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Didn't Erotica link this very soundcloud on these forums DAYS before Ripard Teg wrote his blog about it?
I am sure he did, if it wasn't an issue then, why is it an issue now. Ill see if I can find the thread. |
Zedrik Cayne
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
204
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:45:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And another business day passes in CCP Iceland with no acknowledgement whatsoever, other that falcon shutting down duplicate threads. Eterne spends his day tweeting about how awesome Fanfest is and commenting on how cute some animae shot also tweeted.
But zero about this scandal, in any way. I know it will take likely take weeks to make some decision on this, but it is terrible business practice from a PR perspective not to acknowledge there is a crisis. Read a few pages back. CCP Falcon made a statement. Cut them some slack. It's not like this was penciled into their schedules.
Better provide a link..this thing grows like a weed. You are the internet equivalent of a Mars bar filled with stupid. |
Salvos Rhoska
818
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:45:00 -
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H aVo K wrote:You could say... it's immaterial.
I'd say its quite material, when it is the mechanism employed against the victim in order to force them out of the Bonus Room, in order to win it. -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:45:00 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:Xuixien wrote:M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Harassment for the sake of harassment has no benefit to the harasser other than amusement. A ganker profits in game. Killmails. Loot. This "bonus room" has no in game rewards.
If you think that the guy in the recording actually might have gotten his stuff back, you should go check through every other recording of the "bonus room". How many of them actually got their stuff back? How many flipped out and raged, much to the entertainment of the harassers? If any of them did get their stuff back, how long did it take?
And I'd like to mention real quick, this guy got kicked out of Goonswarm, the noted harassers of highsec. Even Goon's standards higher than this.
I guess I'm repeating myself now: From what I understand, Erotica 1 is running a legit business.
There is a chance for gain during the Bonus Round - the client's gain.
CCP does not say that you have to be the one gaining, do they?
Also, Erotica 1 gains publicity, advertisement, awareness, and future contests from the proceedings of the Bonus Round.
So he is in fact profiting. It's part of this "thing" that he does, a business, a persona, which has generated billions. Not only for himself, but other players. If we're just going to repeat ourselves, did any "clients" actually gain? If not, it's not a business. Even in casinos people occasionally win, if you can't find an example of someone "winning" the bonus room, it isn't a business.
http://lmgtfy.com/q?=yodaknows+eve+online
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Berendas
The Learning Curve. The Marmite Collective
847
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:45:00 -
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Louis Robichaud wrote:Berendas wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And another business day passes in CCP Iceland with no acknowledgement whatsoever, other that falcon shutting down duplicate threads. Eterne spends his day tweeting about how awesome Fanfest is and commenting on how cute some animae shot also tweeted.
But zero about this scandal, in any way. I know it will take likely take weeks to make some decision on this, but it is terrible business practice from a PR perspective not to acknowledge there is a crisis. The thing is, this should not be a crisis, it shouldn't even register on CCP's radar. People getting scammed, and even being invited to voice comms is a regular occurrence. The only reason this is even a thing is because an influential player took it upon himself to sensationalize and exaggerate this whole matter for his own benefit. What CCP should do is lock this thread and say no more on this issue, because in reality this is just business as usual for EVE. What is Jester gaining here exactly? Are you saying that the bonus room in normal Eve game play? An increase in traffic for his tabloid of a blog. |
Dave Stark
4780
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:46:00 -
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Vilar Diin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you've never been to a carnival have you? Aaah! Nice try at non-sequitor! I'll bite. They already have his assets before the Bonus Room begins. There is not one single further space cent to be squeezed out of him during the Bonus Room. So I ask again: What is the point of the unwinnable game? and the guy at the carnival has my money before i play his game. i ask you again, have you ever been to the carnival? Oh you are a carnival kind of guy? Do you like gladiator movies by chance?
the russel crow film? |
M1k3y Koontz
Thorn Project Surely You're Joking
563
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:46:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:M1k3y Koontz wrote:Mario Putzo wrote: Where do you draw the line?
Making people sing songs is bad? (Erotica 1) Telling a kid to kill himself is Ok? (Mittani) Cursing on TS is bad? (Sohkar) Disclosing personal information on people you have stalked through the internet is OK? (Digi)
And that's the decision we're waiting for CCP to come down from the mountain with. After all, our opinions are irrelevant since in cases such as this, CCP is the one who ultimately makes the call. And next week when we have a threadnaught because someone else has taken it upon themselves to label another person who caused grief for someone else then wrote a blog about it, do we redraw that line? What about ALOD on TMC? Is that acceptable? What about ganking miners in a belt? Is that acceptable? Camping people in station for a week? Sitting AFK cloaked in a system? Or comments on Battleclinic, or Kugu, or Scrapheap, or EVEKILL. Do we redraw the lines every time someone feels like they have been harassed? Or do we keep the status quo as it has always been, and say oh gee that sucks, I feel bad for the guy, but that is just the way the game goes sometimes. There are literally hundreds of different things that could become bannable offenses, EVERYONE has a different breaking point, everyone feels differently about every little thing, and you would need to redraw the lines every single time someone gets upset, or in this case someone gets upset on someone else's behalf.
Oh noes, slippery slope argument! There is a difference between a negative comment on a fansite and falsely promising someone their stuff back (which they WERE stupid to contract over in the first place) if they submit to the harassment of the harasser. How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
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Salvos Rhoska
818
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:47:00 -
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Berendas wrote:An increase in traffic for his tabloid of a blog. Is that illegal? -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:47:00 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Erotica 1 is the person who runs the "bonus room" so how is he not relevant? That's like talking about a country but not mentioning the person who rules it. By characterizing Erotica 1 I'm showing the character of the "game" or "business" he is running, your honor.
So if a manager at mcdonalds molests a child, mcdonalds is held responsible as a molester-based business? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4486
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:48:00 -
[6263] - Quote
Berendas wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And another business day passes in CCP Iceland with no acknowledgement whatsoever, other that falcon shutting down duplicate threads. Eterne spends his day tweeting about how awesome Fanfest is and commenting on how cute some animae shot also tweeted.
But zero about this scandal, in any way. I know it will take likely take weeks to make some decision on this, but it is terrible business practice from a PR perspective not to acknowledge there is a crisis. The thing is, this should not be a crisis, it shouldn't even register on CCP's radar. People getting scammed, and even being invited to voice comms is a regular occurrence. The only reason this is even a thing is because an influential player took it upon himself to sensationalize and exaggerate this whole matter for his own benefit. What CCP should do is lock this thread and say no more on this issue, because in reality this is just business as usual for EVE.
Really? Is that what they should do? Just lock it? Because you said so?
Or should they do what they are doing. Using it for feedback and a time killer while they formulate a response to an issue that would have come to a head sooner or later with or without Ripard as the catalyst.
They're giving us the respect of allowing us to post our feelings on this matter unmoderated. How often does that happen? If I were you I'd just back out of the thread now since you are so offended by this rare concession from CCP.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Salvos Rhoska
818
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:48:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:So if a manager at mcdonalds molests a child, mcdonalds is held responsible as a molester-based business? Yes, if they knew he was molesting kids. -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
Volar Kang
Aliastra Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:48:00 -
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Personally, I hope to see Erotica not get banned and then get on the CSM. I think you will see the meta game take the final rug toward ludicrous speed when his real name is made public and one of the players who shares his mental instability goes to his house to meet him and his family.
On the other hand, CCP might want to just ban him for his own good.
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Ssieth
Tenebras Exteriores Dominatus Atrum Mortis
26
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:50:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Kristalll wrote:So if a manager at mcdonalds molests a child, mcdonalds is held responsible as a molester-based business? Yes, if they knew he was molesting kids.
And also yes if they were not taking suitable measures to ensure the safety of their customers. |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:50:00 -
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H aVo K wrote:
Therein lies the *real* issue - a scammer who preys on the stupidity of people coming into Jita, using a character that never undocks, is largely immune to any form of meaningful retribution.
It's too *safe* a profession.
I'd imagine ruining the scammers reputation would meaningful retribution.
Just like killing a pvpers ship. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3006
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:50:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:I think the actual reasons for why you find it hard to sympathise, and have no reservations about making fun of them, are rather different than you think. You obviously know me better than I do. Oh god. |
H aVo K
Tycheon Industries Northern Associates.
41
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:51:00 -
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Louis Robichaud wrote:I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure where the line is exactly. It doesn't matter though. E1 crossed it by a mile. Anyone with a shred of decency can see that.
That is why all the arguing about minutiae and the exact definition of the law or EULA is quite revealing.
is it?
I'd like to see this sort of gameplay removed, or at least made less *safe* for those who engage in it. I mean, scamming idiots in Jita is MORE SAFE than MINING IN HISEC .... there's just something fundamentally wrong with that, y'know?
... but I worry that simply banning him out of hand under the auspices of some new or existing rule could be bad.
... I worry that suddenly people who do similar activities (like this hilarious example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCEilTdoyR0 ) will suddenly find themselves getting banned.
I think that that would be bad for the game.
So, yes, the minutiae is the important part of this whole thread. Those minutiae are the very reason why this whole shitshow hasn't been locked yet, and why CCP said they're paying close attention to the thread.
They're important. |
Salvos Rhoska
818
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:52:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:scammer....reputation.
Pick one. -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
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