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Dave Stark
4791
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:11:00 -
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you mean a system where people who file baseless reports have a detrimental effect on your game, meaning the butthurt miner you gank with the most accounts can ruin your game because he doesn't agree with how you play eve?
doesn't sound open to abuse at all. |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
1092
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:11:00 -
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Yes, CCP should definitely follow the example of themepark games. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
341
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:12:00 -
[6333] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:you mean a system where people who file baseless reports have a detrimental effect on your game, meaning the butthurt miner you gank with the most accounts can ruin your game because he doesn't agree with how you play eve? doesn't sound open to abuse at all.
Already exists in form of Report Bot button.
That one isnt abused at all. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14570
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:12:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:Malcanis wrote:Xuixien wrote:Malcanis wrote:Just to inject some factual information:
1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue. 2) So have the CSM. 3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.
So nothing will be done to Erotica 1 then, except maybe a slap on the wrist and possibly some revision of the EULA. You could make that interpretation Can you stop talking in codes and with a politicians tounge??
I could.
1 Kings 12:11
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arabella blood
Revenant Tactical
249
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:12:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:arabella blood wrote:Malcanis wrote:Xuixien wrote:Malcanis wrote:Just to inject some factual information:
1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue. 2) So have the CSM. 3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.
So nothing will be done to Erotica 1 then, except maybe a slap on the wrist and possibly some revision of the EULA. You could make that interpretation Can you stop playing in codes and with a politicians tounge?? he basically said you're free to read whatever he wrote, and jump to whatever wild conclusion you want to.
Really? thx captain obvious.
Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4161
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:13:00 -
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Xuixien wrote: He's on the CSM. Of course he's a politician and will speak like one.
You just need to learn how to speak Politicianese.
Whatever they say, the opposite is true.
Oh, wait, that's my Malcanis filter.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Dave Stark
4791
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:13:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you mean a system where people who file baseless reports have a detrimental effect on your game, meaning the butthurt miner you gank with the most accounts can ruin your game because he doesn't agree with how you play eve? doesn't sound open to abuse at all. Already exists in form of Report Bot button. That one isnt abused at all.
remind me, which innocent player was banned for botting after being reported as a bot. |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
1092
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:13:00 -
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Malcanis wrote:Just to inject some factual information:
1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue. 2) So have the CSM. 3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.
You may not be able to (or want to) answer this, but I'm curious how this issue came to csm attention. Was this brought up by CCP, or was it player driven? It was most likely brought to their attention by Ripard and then brought to the forefront by this Threadnaught..
Basically:
Ripard Teg doesn't like Erotica 1, nor does he like what Erotica 1 does.
This particular Bonus Round was "juicy" enough for him to bring it up to the CSM/CCP.
He was probably dismissed because no one at CCP/CSM honestly cares.
So out of spite he decided to stir some controversy and bad press for CCP and EVE Online publicly.
Like a big baby.
AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
723
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:13:00 -
[6339] - Quote
Ya I can totally see how that wouldn't be abused.
Let me just type up a blog about this guy I don't like, and get all my friends to dislike him too. Then Ill ask that those friends get their friends to dislike him too. Maybe one of them will write a thread on ~Popular Game~ about that player and we can all complain about him.
Now he has a red gamer card, and I have won in my vendetta against him. |
Dave Stark
4791
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:13:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:Dave Stark wrote:he basically said you're free to read whatever he wrote, and jump to whatever wild conclusion you want to. Really? thx captain obvious.
any time. |
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Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:14:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:olan2005 wrote:
But there is still an intrinsic value to the player who invested time to acquire virtual assets which are the property of ccp but his to use. Without those assets he would have had to start from scratch
Well to people like me, Erotica 1, and others: It's just space pixels, who cares. To people like Sohkar, I guess they're a huge invest of time and energy and have personal value. Good thing no one is responsible for the subjective feelings of anyone else.
Really, once you've lost a jump freighter because you were too stupid to dock up you get over really caring much about the space pixels.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
477
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:14:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:arabella blood wrote:Malcanis wrote:Xuixien wrote:Malcanis wrote:Just to inject some factual information:
1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue. 2) So have the CSM. 3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.
So nothing will be done to Erotica 1 then, except maybe a slap on the wrist and possibly some revision of the EULA. You could make that interpretation Can you stop talking in codes and with a politicians tounge?? I could.
will you? If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cataclysmic Paradox
181
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:14:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:arabella blood wrote:Malcanis wrote:Xuixien wrote:Malcanis wrote:Just to inject some factual information:
1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue. 2) So have the CSM. 3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.
So nothing will be done to Erotica 1 then, except maybe a slap on the wrist and possibly some revision of the EULA. You could make that interpretation Can you stop talking in codes and with a politicians tounge?? I could.
Ha ha ha ha! Verb play for the win!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14570
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:14:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Xuixien wrote: He's on the CSM. Of course he's a politician and will speak like one.
You just need to learn how to speak Politicianese.
Whatever they say, the opposite is true. Oh, wait, that's my Malcanis filter.
I love you.
1 Kings 12:11
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Zedrik Cayne
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
205
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:14:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Xuixien wrote:there have been winners of the Bonus Round. What exactly is required of a non-affiliated participant in order to win?
Following all the rules mostly. Erotica 1 runs a crooked game. But it *is* winnable.
Now, once you break a rule. It is not required that the people who run the game inform you that you have.
I've won the isk-doubling portion of the game. Because I followed the rules as posted. I refused a trip to the bonus room because while I was willing to gamble away a chunk of change, I'm not that big a gambler.
The whole humiliation/etc angle that goes on in the Bonus Room when people lose makes me uncomfortable. It goes past what I consider to be 'the line'
But I'll support Erotica's ability to do so to the hilt. I'm not going to participate in it. I'm not going to condone it. But if that's the way Erotica chooses to play the game, then that's that.
I've been asked on a few occasions to 'investigate' (in the old IEEE fashion) Erotica a few times. But I couldn't find a set of behaviors that failed the 'Good Standards and Practices' line that investigations require.
Now, whether or not CCP decides that banning Erotica for this behavior is warranted. That is up to them. I will probably continue playing and paying either way because I think there has been a line crossed here.
If Erotica 1 gets banned, are those of you who support this kind of thing willing to walk away from the game in support/protest? If the behavior is condoned, are those griping about it the hardest willing to do the same thing? If they don't ban Erotica and instead modify the EULA to make this kind of thing a bannable offence in the future will you walk? At the very bottom line, that is actually what will cause CCP to move significantly one way or the other. Because that is their bottom line.
We will find out in a few days... You are the internet equivalent of a Mars bar filled with stupid. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3006
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:14:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:Really? thx captain obvious. How much do you charge to troll people? Oh god. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14570
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:15:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
will you?
I will.
1 Kings 12:11
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
341
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:15:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Ya I can totally see how that wouldn't be abused. Let me just type up a blog about this guy I don't like, and get all my friends to dislike him too. Then Ill ask that those friends get their friends to dislike him too. Maybe one of them will write a thread on ~Popular Game~ about that player and we can all complain about him. Now he has a red gamer card, and I have won in my vendetta against him.
Learn to read.
"We designed the algorithm so it won't penalise you for bad reports over a few weeks of play. The system also adjusts for false reports from people that might intentionally report someone of greater skill or for other griefing purposes," said Mr Dunn. |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:16:00 -
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Until the meta becomes all of the CFC votes against FCs in PL and gets them banned. Good logic there. |
Vilar Diin
Norse'Storm Battle Group Li3 Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:16:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Xuixien wrote:olan2005 wrote:
But there is still an intrinsic value to the player who invested time to acquire virtual assets which are the property of ccp but his to use. Without those assets he would have had to start from scratch
Well to people like me, Erotica 1, and others: It's just space pixels, who cares. To people like Sohkar, I guess they're a huge invest of time and energy and have personal value. Good thing no one is responsible for the subjective feelings of anyone else. Really, once you've lost a jump freighter because you were too stupid to dock up you get over really caring much about the space pixels.
Has nothing to do with pixels. Has everything to do with a mayonnaise and humiliation fetishist. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5494
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:17:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Xuixien wrote: He's on the CSM. Of course he's a politician and will speak like one.
You just need to learn how to speak Politicianese.
Whatever they say, the opposite is true. Oh, wait, that's my Malcanis filter. I love you.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2518
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:17:00 -
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Use your brain for two seconds and you'll understand why this is not possible. (its not because of "false reports") "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:18:00 -
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Ssieth wrote: Cheap scams preying on newbies not so much.
Don't lie. You and I both know these scams are targeted at bored bittervets. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
724
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:18:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Ya I can totally see how that wouldn't be abused. Let me just type up a blog about this guy I don't like, and get all my friends to dislike him too. Then Ill ask that those friends get their friends to dislike him too. Maybe one of them will write a thread on ~Popular Game~ about that player and we can all complain about him. Now he has a red gamer card, and I have won in my vendetta against him. Learn to read. "We designed the algorithm so it won't penalise you for bad reports over a few weeks of play. The system also adjusts for false reports from people that might intentionally report someone of greater skill or for other griefing purposes," said Mr Dunn.
Which doesn't negate anything I said. Cool how blogs and witch hunts work eh. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5494
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:19:00 -
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This thread is slowing down.
I just had to click refresh twice before a new reply popped up, instead of 3 to 12 every time I clicked once. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:19:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you mean a system where people who file baseless reports have a detrimental effect on your game, meaning the butthurt miner you gank with the most accounts can ruin your game because he doesn't agree with how you play eve? doesn't sound open to abuse at all. Already exists in form of Report Bot button. That one isnt abused at all.
Except that is not how the Report Bot button works.
Hell, I've reported OBVIOUS bots with multiple characters and they're still out botting away. |
Salvos Rhoska
818
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:20:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Don't lie. You and I both know these scams are targeted at bored bittervets.
You still get all his assets though, if they are stupid/dumb enough to comply. And I applaud you for that. Gf.
But why the whole Bonus Room thing thereafter? -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
1095
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:21:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Xuixien wrote:olan2005 wrote:
But there is still an intrinsic value to the player who invested time to acquire virtual assets which are the property of ccp but his to use. Without those assets he would have had to start from scratch
Well to people like me, Erotica 1, and others: It's just space pixels, who cares. To people like Sohkar, I guess they're a huge invest of time and energy and have personal value. Good thing no one is responsible for the subjective feelings of anyone else. Really, once you've lost a jump freighter because you were too stupid to dock up you get over really caring much about the space pixels.
Or lost everything you owned (3bil) in an Iteron that was on Autopilot while you were taking a dump.
Or purchased a Thrasher for 750 million instead of 750 thousand (I ganked a ***** with that Thrasher, too! It felt great).
Or accidentally sold your Gnosis for 1 million ISK and not 1 billion ISK (first day back from a break - you got me, dude, well played!)
Eventually you get to the point where you just start ganking in Aliastra Catalysts and not giving any fucks. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Ssieth
Tenebras Exteriores Dominatus Atrum Mortis
26
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:21:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Ssieth wrote: Cheap scams preying on newbies not so much. Don't lie. You and I both know these scams are targeted at bored bittervets.
Hey! I resemble that remark!
Not much use though. Bittervet I may be but I keep myself poor to avoid losing isk in scams. See.. the smart folks realises that if they only have 0 isk they can only lose 0 isk ;p |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
341
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:22:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Use your brain for two seconds and you'll understand why this is not possible. (its not because of "false reports")
Nothing is impossible.
A reworked system that colors a player's name in local based on a number and type of accumulated feedback reports is a solid improvement on the current security status mechanic. |
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