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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:22:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:baltec1 wrote:An event that in my country would be delt with via the police arresting them for battery/assault, and section 5 of the public order act. I dont think even in your country people are arresting for laughing or applauding.
They might for encouraging that sort of behaviour? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
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handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
213
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:23:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:handige harrie wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:So.... if its not against the EULA of a video game, its ok in real life huh? Read you, daft cow. Notice the phrase "its not illegal". So yes, it is ok in real life. i'm 100% sure that kicking some one in the face, is not legal. it's assault. He did state he would not kick, he just stated he would laugh. You are allowed to laugh, you're even encouraged to laugh irl. Bad reading is however frowned upon, both in real life as on the internet. so if we're all allowed to laugh at these events, why are people demonising erotica?
In these recordings, Erotica and Co. is the one doing the kicking. You are however still allowed to laugh. Baddest poster ever |
Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2458
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:23:00 -
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What all of the people who defend this have failed to answer is this.
Whilst accepting that scamming, stealing and being a bit of a douche in a game is one thing.
Having done that. Why continue for an hour and a half , knowing that someone was increasingly distressed., to the point it evidently reached?
I do find it slightly disturbing that people think it is OK to push it to this extent.
Not one person has answered that question out of the usual folks that are worried about Eve's philosophy. "The game must not be diluted" is not an excuse for what went on here. Aaaaaaand relax. |
Forum Clone 77777
Do You Even Irony Broew
198
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:23:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Xander Delacroix wrote:Mag's wrote:Xander Delacroix wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Erotica 1 got someone to sing.
You want someone to kick them in the face in RL.
I wonder, which is worse...
Oh God, I'm about to defend Salvos Rhoska... THIS is how bad this is. Still, here goes. Salvos did not say that he wanted someone to kick E1 in the face, just that he'd laugh and/or applaud 'if' someone did. So you're defending him in condoning RL violence? Not at all. I'm pretty sure all of the words I used were English and two syllables or less. I'd be happy to explain any that are beyond you. Not at all. I just fail to see how anyone could defend his stance. He is after all, condoning violence over a singing contest. They defend it on the grounds that "Its Erotica 1 and we dont like him" Yep, pretty solid defense right there. If it had been some unknown dude making that recording, Im willing to bet most of these people would have thought it was funny. I dont know if its because theyve been scammed themselves, theyre envious somehow.. Or something different, I mean real life celebreties also have people hating them "just because" right? So I guess that could be the case here aswell. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10624
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:23:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:baltec1 wrote:An event that in my country would be delt with via the police arresting them for battery/assault, and section 5 of the public order act. I dont think even in your country people are arresting for laughing or applauding.
Its the act. Nobody laughs at an assault, especially if it involves kicking to the head. You said you would laugh at something that is a serious and arrestable event. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:23:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Dave Stark wrote:why are people demonising erotica? Ride that white horse Dave. Be the hero Erotica1 needs and deserves.
i'm not defending ero at all, but people saying they'd take great joy in the very thing they're demonising him for is very hypocritical of them. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
1013
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:24:00 -
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handige harrie wrote:bully them into oblivion
:facepalm: No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4308
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:24:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Xander Delacroix wrote:Mag's wrote:Xander Delacroix wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Erotica 1 got someone to sing.
You want someone to kick them in the face in RL.
I wonder, which is worse...
Oh God, I'm about to defend Salvos Rhoska... THIS is how bad this is. Still, here goes. Salvos did not say that he wanted someone to kick E1 in the face, just that he'd laugh and/or applaud 'if' someone did. So you're defending him in condoning RL violence? Not at all. I'm pretty sure all of the words I used were English and two syllables or less. I'd be happy to explain any that are beyond you. Not at all. I just fail to see how anyone could defend his stance. He is after all, condoning violence over a singing contest.
Singing contest?
I don't think your internet is working if what you got directed to was a singing contest because that sure isn't what I got out of it.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16919
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:24:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:baltec1 wrote:An event that in my country would be delt with via the police arresting them for battery/assault, and section 5 of the public order act. I dont think even in your country people are arresting for laughing or applauding. Actually you can, it's an incite to riot and public order offence. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. Kimmi's Thinking Cosy. |
Winchester Steele
517
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:25:00 -
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handige harrie wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:So.... if its not against the EULA of a video game, its ok in real life huh? Read you, daft cow. Notice the phrase "its not illegal". So yes, it is ok in real life. i'm 100% sure that kicking some one in the face, is not legal. it's assault. He did state he would not kick, he just stated he would laugh. You are allowed to laugh, you're even encouraged to laugh irl. Bad reading is however frowned upon, both in real life as on the internet.
Are you people serious? It's ok to laugh at someone being KICKED IN THE FACE, but it's tar and feathers for making someone consentually sing a song or 3 on comms. You people are right ****** in the head.
If this is the moral high ground, I'm glad I reside in the gutters. This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
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Dave Stark
4664
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:25:00 -
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handige harrie wrote:In these recordings, Erotica and Co. is the one doing the kicking. You are however still allowed to laugh.
if that's the case then is the "victim" stabbing erotica since his part in all of this is worse than ero's. ero's part is very tame in comparison to the tirade of racial slurs and real life threats from the guy that hypothetically got kicked in the face. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10624
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:26:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:What all of the people who defend this have failed to answer is this.
Whilst accepting that scamming, stealing and being a bit of a douche in a game is one thing.
Having done that. Why continue for an hour and a half , knowing that someone was increasingly distressed., to the point it evidently reached?
I do find it slightly disturbing that people think it is OK to push it to this extent.
Not one person has answered that question out of the usual folks that are worried about Eve's philosophy. "The game must not be diluted" is not an excuse for what went on here.
Half and hour of that was the "victim" ranting and raving at them. He could have left at any time and there is a long history of getting people to sing in this game. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Csill Es
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:26:00 -
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CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast. |
Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2462
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:27:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Jayem See wrote:What all of the people who defend this have failed to answer is this.
Whilst accepting that scamming, stealing and being a bit of a douche in a game is one thing.
Having done that. Why continue for an hour and a half , knowing that someone was increasingly distressed., to the point it evidently reached?
I do find it slightly disturbing that people think it is OK to push it to this extent.
Not one person has answered that question out of the usual folks that are worried about Eve's philosophy. "The game must not be diluted" is not an excuse for what went on here. Half and hour of that was the "victim" ranting and raving at them. He could have left at any time and there is a long history of getting people to sing in this game.
And we have been through that. It's usually a ransom and the person is left to reship or gets blown up.
There is a difference between that and the lengths this went to. Aaaaaaand relax. |
Forum Clone 77777
Do You Even Irony Broew
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:28:00 -
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Jayem See wrote: Having done that. Why continue for an hour and a half , knowing that someone was increasingly distressed., to the point it evidently reached?
I do find it slightly disturbing that people think it is OK to push it to this extent.
Not one person has answered that question out of the usual folks that are worried about Eve's philosophy. "The game must not be diluted" is not an excuse for what went on here.
Well, having someone spaz out on teamspeak can be pretty funny, this is not the first of such recordings either, its absolutely nothing new, and usually stuff like this is laughed at.
A better question is, if this guy was in such stress over this teamspeak session, why didnt he just leave? I mean, if someone was annoying me on teamspeak, Id just leave, hell, you can even just mute/ignore them. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1481
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:28:00 -
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handige harrie wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:So.... if its not against the EULA of a video game, its ok in real life huh? Read you, daft cow. Notice the phrase "its not illegal". So yes, it is ok in real life. i'm 100% sure that kicking some one in the face, is not legal. it's assault. He did state he would not kick, he just stated he would laugh. You are allowed to laugh, you're even encouraged to laugh irl. Bad reading is however frowned upon, both in real life as on the internet.
TIL that laughing at the real life misfortune of others is OK and laughing at someone separated from their spacepixels is bad. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
Xander Delacroix
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:28:00 -
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Since the last two pages of this thread have drifted rather off topic. Here's a recap:
1. Erotica1 is a sad, morally reprehensible sadist who delighted in tormenting someone who clearly didn't know better. He continues to take perverse pleasure in trauma he caused then and furore he's causing now.
2. The victim of said abuse completely lost his cool and went beserk. Some people, mostly those grasping at straws to defend the erstwhile E1, are using some of that verbal diatribe to justify everything E1 did. They're misguided at best, complicit at worst.
3. CCP is being put into a "damned if they do, damned if they don't" scenario. Not good. Not good at all.
4. Salvos is a pain the posterior, and his comments regarding a hypothetical future roundkick-to-the-face scenario have not really helped except to derail the debate. However, much as it pains me to admit it, he's largely made some extremely valid points elsewhere in this thread.
I think that pretty much covers it. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10632
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:28:00 -
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Csill Es wrote:CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast.
If they do anything to Erotica then they will also have to take action against this "victim" as what they said was far worse. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
135
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:29:00 -
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Out of game cannot be CCP's responsibility.
I guess however, that it says something if you spend your time hacking on what must obviously be the more challenged. Why not create a RL-sect or something. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4499
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:29:00 -
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Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Jayem See wrote: Having done that. Why continue for an hour and a half , knowing that someone was increasingly distressed., to the point it evidently reached?
I do find it slightly disturbing that people think it is OK to push it to this extent.
Not one person has answered that question out of the usual folks that are worried about Eve's philosophy. "The game must not be diluted" is not an excuse for what went on here.
Well, having someone spaz out on teamspeak can be pretty funny, this is not the first of such recordings either, its absolutely nothing new, and usually stuff like this is laughed at. A better question is, if this guy was in such stress over this teamspeak session, why didnt he just leave? I mean, if someone was annoying me on teamspeak, Id just leave, hell, you can even just mute/ignore them.
Milgram Experiment
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
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Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2462
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:30:00 -
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Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Jayem See wrote: Having done that. Why continue for an hour and a half , knowing that someone was increasingly distressed., to the point it evidently reached?
I do find it slightly disturbing that people think it is OK to push it to this extent.
Not one person has answered that question out of the usual folks that are worried about Eve's philosophy. "The game must not be diluted" is not an excuse for what went on here.
Well, having someone spaz out on teamspeak can be pretty funny, this is not the first of such recordings either, its absolutely nothing new, and usually stuff like this is laughed at. A better question is, if this guy was in such stress over this teamspeak session, why didnt he just leave? I mean, if someone was annoying me on teamspeak, Id just leave, hell, you can even just mute/ignore them.
I argued this with Dave Stark - not everybody is in the same place as you and me. There has to be some responsibility on the protaganists part. In this case a lot of people felt that it went too far.
I am one of them. Have you seriously never done something and then wished you had done it differently? I am sure this guy is in the same boat. Aaaaaaand relax. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16924
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:30:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Singing contest? I don't think your internet is working if what you got directed to was a singing contest because that sure isn't what I got out of it. Mr Epeen There was some reading at the start, but the rest was about singing. They ended up agreeing to 2 songs, but he backed out as he did not want to sing about gay things. I'm sure he would have been equally against singing about other races, but he may have been fine with song about violence and murder. Who knows? Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. Kimmi's Thinking Cosy. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1481
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:30:00 -
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Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Jayem See wrote: Having done that. Why continue for an hour and a half , knowing that someone was increasingly distressed., to the point it evidently reached?
I do find it slightly disturbing that people think it is OK to push it to this extent.
Not one person has answered that question out of the usual folks that are worried about Eve's philosophy. "The game must not be diluted" is not an excuse for what went on here.
Well, having someone spaz out on teamspeak can be pretty funny, this is not the first of such recordings either, its absolutely nothing new, and usually stuff like this is laughed at. A better question is, if this guy was in such stress over this teamspeak session, why didnt he just leave? I mean, if someone was annoying me on teamspeak, Id just leave, hell, you can even just mute/ignore them.
Sohkar aside, this is still my all time favorite Eve video game freak out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf-FUmR4DMA I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5363
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:30:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:I was half expecting this thread to be locked by now.
Then a "do not talk about this again or you'll get banned" warning from CCP *Insert name here* i think this thread is a great way to judge how many people would love themepark eve vs those of us that came explicitly not to be handheld.
*me rasies hand But just because I raised my hand doesn't mean I want you to hold it .
I see it as people not having a sense of personal responsibility, and if they can't hold themselves accountable, they have a hard time doing it also for someone else who identifies as a 'victim'. We see it all day every day in real life.
This is, it's not supposed to be that way in a game like EVE online. People like those described above you would think would be in a themepark game with such strict rules that they ban 'griefers' accounts if they as so much as look like they are trolling a forum (and some do that, in game bans for out of game/forum infractions).
EVE has always had a ....very liberal view of what griefing is and everyone should know that, yet things like this (the event itself, and the threadnaught it spawned) take some of them by surprise, because somehow they have surpressed any knowledge they might have had of what kind of game EVE online has.
Personally, I like EVE and it's community as is even though I don't partake in the more notorious aspects. The danger these griefers, scammer and gankers represent is exactly what is fun about EVE to me, because it sure as hell isn't saving that damn Damsel for the 600,437th time... |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2585
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:30:00 -
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Xander Delacroix wrote:Some people, mostly those grasping at straws to defend the erstwhile E1, are using some of that verbal diatribe to justify everything E1 did. They're misguided at best, complicit at worst.
Actually...no
As the caller is a member of my Alliance, the fact he resorted to racist slurs and death threats is of importance
Some of us have a zero tolerance policy on that kind of thing
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4310
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:31:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Csill Es wrote:CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast. If they do anything to Erotica then they will also have to take action against this "victim" as what they said was far worse.
No.
They really don't have to do anything they don't want. They make the rules, not you.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Snupe Doggur
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:31:00 -
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Csill Es wrote:CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast. They really only need to act well in advance of some real-life tragedy related to the game. There is time for CCP to decide to ally with Erotica 1 (and there's a great marketing slogan right there) or to make it clear that they will not allow their game to be used as a cyberbullying tool.
That much is very simple in this situation.
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Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
432
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:31:00 -
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This. It is dangerously easy to manipulate others.
They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
Electric M0nk
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:31:00 -
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The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."
CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.
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Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
432
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:32:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:As the caller is a member of my Alliance, the fact he resorted to racist slurs and death threats is of importance
Some of us have a zero tolerance policy on that kind of thing
It's out of game [sic] so cool your jammies sweetie. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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