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Kami3k
The Lucky Bible Company
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:25:00 -
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We didn't even know ya either!
As others are saying in the other topic, CCP would be wise to make Valkyrie not longer require VR of any kind now. I refuse to get a Rift if Facebook really acquires Oculus. So I would refuse to play/buy Valkyrie, unless it's Non-VR playable.
Such a shame, was one of the things I was looking forward to the most, now made into something I wouldn't even touch if paid to do it. The Rift I mean, I'm betting CCP will make it non-VR playable now, if it wasn't already. |
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CCP Karuck
C C P C C P Alliance
238
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:15:00 -
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Chill down :) I believe this will be good overall for the future of VR hardware and software. - Senior Programmer on EVE: Valkyrie / @SiggiGG |
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Alundil
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
438
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:28:00 -
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It's hard to think of a worse adver.....I mean tech company to have bought Oculus.
Regardless of what happens with Valkyrie, and I hope it's a huge success, Oculus attaching themselves to Facebook was a purely $$-driven proposition and will be bad for that company as Facebook is a dying social network. And unlike other tech companies that is their one claim to game outside of M&A. Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1071
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:33:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:Chill down :) I believe this will be good overall for the future of VR hardware and software.
So you'd like 10 minutes of adverts and a Facebook login to use Rift, eh? That's nice to know. |
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CCP Karuck
C C P C C P Alliance
238
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:34:00 -
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They've already said quite a lot about how they will operate, and they will continue their current focus and control of their vision.. So the only change in the immediate future will be even better VR hardware for us all.
Everyone has concerns about this acquisition, but I trust the Oculus guys to have made a smart decision here.
Palmer is on Reddit right now answering a lot of concerns, if you are interested in reading it: http://www.reddit.com/user/palmerluckey - Senior Programmer on EVE: Valkyrie / @SiggiGG |
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Dr Vulix
Automata Labs
35
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:35:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:Chill down :) I believe this will be good overall for the future of VR hardware and software.
Please give us a non-Oculus option to play Valkyrie on the PC. We want to throw our money at you and we love you, just give our relationship a chance, please! |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1071
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:40:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:They've already said quite a lot about how they will operate, and they will continue their current focus and control of their vision.. So the only change in the immediate future will be even better VR hardware for us all. Everyone has concerns about this acquisition, but I trust the Oculus guys to have made a smart decision here. Palmer is on Reddit right now answering a lot of concerns, if you are interested in reading it: http://www.reddit.com/user/palmerluckey
Just because that's what he's saying now doesn't mean Facebook won't change their mind later if they need to look for more income from it. He is after all a Facebook employee now. |
Dr Vulix
Automata Labs
35
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:49:00 -
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He conveniently skipped over the question about Rift being used to intrusively track users for Facebook's advertising engine
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Alundil
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
438
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:58:00 -
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Dr Vulix wrote:He conveniently skipped over the question about Rift being used to intrusively track users for Facebook's advertising engine Shocking Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
470
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:38:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:They've already said quite a lot about how they will operate, and they will continue their current focus and control of their vision.. So the only change in the immediate future will be even better VR hardware for us all.
Everyone has concerns about this acquisition, but I trust the Oculus guys to have made a smart decision here.
Realistically, there's no amount of assurances (or money) that will restore that they just killed their entire community of supporting fans, and ended any chance of it being a success. |
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Silent Rambo
Legion of Seven
127
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:41:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:They've already said quite a lot about how they will operate, and they will continue their current focus and control of their vision.. So the only change in the immediate future will be even better VR hardware for us all. Everyone has concerns about this acquisition, but I trust the Oculus guys to have made a smart decision here. Palmer is on Reddit right now answering a lot of concerns, if you are interested in reading it: http://www.reddit.com/user/palmerluckey
Yeah its on record now that Marky Zuckercorn Face-f*ck wants to add advertising, and data mining into this gadget that can even track body movements. With the track record of intrusive and downright shady data mining schemes Facebook has been a part of in the past, I feel the Occulus will in no way have the support of the core community it needs to gain a foot hold in the new VR market because of the gigantic lack of trust Facebook has built. People really dont like Facebook. Seriously F*ck the Rift, I hope Valkyrie doesn't sink with this turd.
You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies? |
Jessica Danikov
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
314
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:16:00 -
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I, for one, welcome our new social overlords.
In all seriousness, Facebook can financially support Oculus and maybe even make their dream of a heavily subsidised headset a reality, confirmed by Palmer on his feed quite explicitly- 'This deal specifically lets us greatly lower the price of the Rift'. This may be what brings VR to the general population rather than leaving it in the niche.
On top of that, Facebook may bankroll extra RnD and bespoke gear on top of the already spectacular work Oculus have done with the hardware their have and their own in-house content generation, which Oculus were keen on for the adoption of VR in a wider context (VR OS anyone?). Having that oomph behind them is good for the future. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
280
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:04:00 -
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Jessica Danikov wrote:I, for one, welcome our new social overlords.
In all seriousness, Facebook can financially support Oculus and maybe even make their dream of a heavily subsidised headset a reality, confirmed by Palmer on his feed quite explicitly- 'This deal specifically lets us greatly lower the price of the Rift'. This may be what brings VR to the general population rather than leaving it in the niche.
On top of that, Facebook may bankroll extra RnD and bespoke gear on top of the already spectacular work Oculus have done with the hardware their have and their own in-house content generation, which Oculus were keen on for the adoption of VR in a wider context (VR OS anyone?). Having that oomph behind them is good for the future.
i'm willing to see what comes out about this, and what comes at fanfest before i decide if i don;t want it.. cause i seriously want a rift |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2387
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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:12:00 -
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The audience for the Rift is, currently, tech enthusiasts.
The people least trusting of Facebook are, currently, tech enthusiasts.
This isn't a dealbreaker for me but I am now more apprehensive about buying a Rift. I will now be more willing to wait for a competing product, which isn't good news for Valkyrie if it is near release. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Anyanka Funk
Neo-Sani
58
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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:17:00 -
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All I can think is how VR Candy Crush Saga is going to overshadow. anyankafunk.tumblr.com |
tiewan
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.03.26 09:20:00 -
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There are rumors that Valve is working on their own headset... And since VR is going to be the next big thing.. there will be no shortage of headset manufacturers in the near future. So I am sure it will be possible to play Eve without facebook..
Unless of course Facebook buys Eve
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Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
198
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Posted - 2014.03.26 09:50:00 -
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So CCP's next game is going to be a Facebook one? Did not see THAT one coming ;)
TBH in my opinion it would be for the best if CCP would stop doing "exclusive's". First DUST514 only on PS3 and now Valyrie on Facebooks "Rift" platform. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
500
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:04:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:They've already said quite a lot about how they will operate, and they will continue their current focus and control of their vision.. So the only change in the immediate future will be even better VR hardware for us all. Everyone has concerns about this acquisition, but I trust the Oculus guys to have made a smart decision here. Palmer is on Reddit right now answering a lot of concerns, if you are interested in reading it: http://www.reddit.com/user/palmerluckey sorry, but zuckerberg clearly stated he wants to link the VR to FB / advertising, and while i really trust the Oculus guys when they say they don't want this to happen, it's not in their hands anymore, and it WILL, in fine, happen (boiling frog etc...).
say hello to FB login required and 5 minutes ads before playing, this is what will happen.
of course you are free to disagree, but this is how it'll end up.
i was planning on buying a VR, mainly expecting Valkyrie.
now VR is a big no-no, and so his valkyrie unless you guys make it possible to play without the VR
now, it is not a good news for VR imao, while it will allow them more $$ for development / advertising etc..., the drawback is, imao, too big.
regarding the specific case we have here, good luck making EVE ppl swallow that one (hint: they will not)!
also, just saw this:
Quote:"The developer behind the Rift's highest profile game, and the one that Oculus trots out time and again when there's new hardware to show off (EVE: Valkyrie), has nothing but praise.
We're very excited for our friends and colleagues at Oculus," David Reid, CCP Games' CMO told us. "We share their vision about the future of VR and gaming and are looking forward to participating in the consumer launch of the Oculus Rift with EVE: Valkyrie."
from: http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/25/notch-oculus-facebook-minecraft/
if the CCP's vision about gaming is the same as FB, then it says it all.
question to devs: Do you really think your player base will follow you there? like for real? |
Bloemkoolsaus
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
144
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:40:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:They've already said quite a lot about how they will operate, and they will continue their current focus and control of their vision.. So the only change in the immediate future will be even better VR hardware for us all.
If you give me 100milion isk, i'll double it. See what i did there? I did what facebook does.
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Gorr Kedesh
Icing Iced
4
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:30:00 -
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If valkyrie has any conections to FB or other similar restrictions i will never play it!
Zuckerberg and his legacies may rot in hell. |
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Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
277
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:04:00 -
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Guys calm down I see a great future for this,
It will be the perfect new interface for PI.
Put on your Facebook VR headset,
Login via the helpful 'Login with Facebook' option,
Don a pair of heavy working gloves,
Get your shovel out.
Start loading those convertors!
They could call it ' Eve PlanetFarmVille'
I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence..... |
handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
217
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:07:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:They've already said quite a lot about how they will operate, and they will continue their current focus and control of their vision.. So the only change in the immediate future will be even better VR hardware for us all. Everyone has concerns about this acquisition, but I trust the Oculus guys to have made a smart decision here. Palmer is on Reddit right now answering a lot of concerns, if you are interested in reading it: http://www.reddit.com/user/palmerluckey
Palmer is skipping the most pertinent questions though, like how facebook plans to monetize the Oculus and how they go about user Privacy and data gathering. That is not really reasuring.
They also claim facebook as an Open platform. Try doing something mundane with your account, like deleting it or asking Facebook a full report of the information they have on you (the one they have to send through the mail, if you can even find the option) and then come back and ask how 'open' they are. If you do the stuff facebook wants you to do they're very open, if you ask difficult questions about things you are allowed to, but they don't want you to ask about, they're one of the most closed companies there are.
It's quite disconcerning to see CCPc CMO statement though, reading it it looks like CCP is ready to be sold to the lowest common denominator. Quite sad to see an Independent developer like CCP fall down to making social games on a facebook platform. Baddest poster ever |
Silent Rambo
Legion of Seven
132
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:25:00 -
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Quote:"The developer behind the Rift's highest profile game, and the one that Oculus trots out time and again when there's new hardware to show off (EVE: Valkyrie), has nothing but praise.
We're very excited for our friends and colleagues at Oculus," David Reid, CCP Games' CMO told us. "We share their vision about the future of VR and gaming and are looking forward to participating in the consumer launch of the Oculus Rift with EVE: Valkyrie."
If CCP dropped Occulus it would be a pretty huge deal. Valkyrie is one of the highest profile games on the Occulus at this point. CCP potentially wields the power to make or break the PR scene at the moment (Unless they are somehow stupid enough to be under contract with Occulus a¦á_a¦á). They would get a LOT of attention for dropping Occulus, and it might make a lot of on the fence developers drop it as well potentially killing Occulus immediately. Then CCP can ride the wave of PR to the next VR headset and everyone will watch them as they didnt sell their souls, make a bunch of street cred in the gaming community, and potentially have an even wider market of core gamers itching to play Valkyrie.
Or CCP can play it "safe" with Facebook watching over the shoulder of Occulus development. Facebook will be pushing and prodding slowly till the consumer base has enough of the Occulus. CCP will have lost all credibility as a company with any integrity, and will move Valkyrie with their tale between their legs to another VR headset, as eveyrone points and laughs at the Occulus loyalist.
Your move CCP. You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies? |
Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
22
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:34:00 -
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Ofc it was a good choice of them for the immediate future to get more money for better hardware and personal, but in the longrun?
It-¦s not like Zuckerberg is seen as one of the most evil persons in the industry for his actions. Oh wait he is, just look at the leaks from his IMs. Facebook has also shown over and over how much they care about their users and esp their privacy. It-¦s not like that is their business model... You add that to probably the most informed and interested community (exactly the people who supported the OR) in these issues and you can see the shitstorm coming from miles away. I really hope for every CCP dev showcasing Valkyrie that he has had hours and hours of PR training, because Facebook will now be the #1 concern. |
Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:42:00 -
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I was looking forward to the Oculus and Valkyrie. Now not so much. I'm not outright rejecting it but they need to do better than dodge the most important questions to get me buy one now.
Also, you might want to start thinking how to reply to those questions that WILL pop up during fanfest about this. And I'd make them extra convincing if I were you. This post was rated "C" for capsuleer. |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
470
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:47:00 -
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Silent Rambo wrote:(Unless they are somehow stupid enough to be under contract with Occulus a¦á_a¦á)
You should assume CCP is indeed that stupid. Their past history reflects that much. |
Pirmasis Sparagas
Bullet Cluster
64
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:08:00 -
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Crasniya wrote:Silent Rambo wrote:(Unless they are somehow stupid enough to be under contract with Occulus a¦á_a¦á) You should assume CCP is indeed that stupid. Their past history reflects that much. Where? |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
280
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:22:00 -
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And you all do realize that you can eventually buy a ps4 and play it that way right?
Sheesh calm down.
You will get more info on if you can play without the rift at fan fest. And you do realize that depending on how they sell valk then the rift is just hardware, so its not like ccp is adding code to track you. i.e. take a chill pill. |
Thead Enco
Killing is Business Get Off My Lawn
114
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:31:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:Chill down :) I believe this will be good overall for the future of VR hardware and software.
Lol are you serious? I take it you not familar with spaibook's business practices? I am not even going to bring up the privacy concerns and the DRM which people are right to bring up. Speaking only for myself I will not buy a occulus rift because I want to support indie devs and with this deal the indie guys will get ****** over every which way because FB feel the need to be at evey levelof the creative process. If you guys can't see that already then I don't know whatto say otherthan I look forward into seeing sonys vr product at E3.
-á"A Lannister always pays his debts."
-áTyrion Lannister |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
281
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:47:00 -
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And just a reminder, rift is a piece of hardware. If that's all they do with it, is leave it as hardware, then you really have nothing to worry about. However, if they have a program where you need to download your game from the facebook store, or you have to use a launcher, then I could see some issues. I for one however, am willing to wait and see. Because lets face it, if Facebook leaves oculus alone, and just basicly pumped money into them, then it is a good thing. It just depends on the deal struck between the two companies, and how much of a hands on FB wants to be with rift.
And as I said two post ago... CHILL OUT. You can still play valk on a ps4, and MAYBE without the rift, which if that's the case then you just buy the game from ccp. Again, rift is a piece of hardware, it just depends on what crap they make you jump through to use it. And when Microsoft got in the console market people laughed at them and said it would be evil.. but the x-box is one of the largest consoles on the planet. So.. we will see what happens. But I think the dev si right, everyone just needs to relax until more info comes out. |
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