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Avarus Brightfyre
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:27:00 -
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I've been searching for a reason why the multiple character training price is higher than creating a whole new account, but have been unable to find a thread on it. I vaguely remember finding one thread before on it, but I can't seem to find it again. I don't remember it answering my question, in any case.
The benefits of simply creating another account seems to give you more benefit at a lower cost, allowing you to log in an alt at the same time as your main, if you choose to. Multiple character training only allows one character on the account to be active at any one time, as far as I know. The only benefit you gain is the ability to train another character in conjunction with your main. This should definitely require an additional fee, but for more than the price of an entire account?
It seems to me you should get what you pay for, and you seem to get less for this service than creating a new account and end up paying much more. I am loathe to create an entirely new account and pay full price just to gain access to an alt, especially one that will probably be only a part-time character. Adding character training should only be a fraction of the original subscription fee, since it only adds a fraction of the benefit of an entirely new account.
It doesn't make sense to me that I have to more than double my subscription fee to gain access to training a second character. Can someone explain the reason the price is higher for a service that gives you less?
Thanks in advance! |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:31:00 -
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By keeping the price of another subscription lower than MCT, it encourages new subscriptions, which makes the sub numbers look good.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Tyrone Arran
The Forgotten Order
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:42:00 -
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One benefit to MCT is that if you only plan on training the additional character(s) for a limited time. You no longer have to pay once the training is completed. Sure you could do this on a different account and then transfer the character to your main account, but there are additional fees to do this.
I guess it depends on what you plans are for the alt character and doing some math to find out which path would be cheaper.
I do see your point and agree with it. For most, just adding a second account is the way to go and it does make sub numbers look better. |
Dagar Bly
EvE Character Portrait REDUX
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:49:00 -
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I did it to train a trader, so I wouldn't have to plex another account every month just to keep a toon that never undocks. |
One Eyed Runner
Caldari Naval Auxiliary Services
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:59:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:By keeping the price of another subscription lower than MCT, it encourages new subscriptions, which makes the sub numbers look good.
^^This it makes the beancounters look good
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:04:00 -
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It's a fair price to pay for a capability that did not even exist for 10 1/2 YEARS of this games life.
Whining about it. for whatever silly reason, isn't going to change anything.
Be glad the cost is not 2 PLEX. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:25:00 -
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I thought this was a good idea until I saw the price. To offer this at that price makes it look like someone's a hick trying to sell a stack of Chinet as fine china (probably to either pay off a gambling debt, or obtain more crystal). To buy it at that price makes YOU look like you think Chinet is fine china.
Same with a lot of other great ideas by CCP. The prices are either desperation moves because the mafia is hot on their heels, or just plain gouging because they reckon us to be stupid. Either way, there's Jaeger on somebody's breath. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Avarus Brightfyre
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:38:00 -
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I would imagine total income would go up if they offered this at a lower price. More people would be willing to pay for a half price multiple character training feature than full price for a second account, and certainly more than those willing to add more than double the total account cost just to train a single alt. I happen to be one of the people in this crowd. Real life is far more important than any game, and I cannot justify spending that much, even on a semi-regular basis, on a game. I might bump up to $20 a month, but certainly no more than that. I'm fairly sure that many other players have the same sentiment. Money is money, after all.
Total subscriptions are nice, I suppose, but total revenue would seem to be more important, don't you think? |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:44:00 -
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Avarus Brightfyre wrote:I've been searching for a reason why the multiple character training price is higher than creating a whole new account, but have been unable to find a thread on it. I vaguely remember finding one thread before on it, but I can't seem to find it again. I don't remember it answering my question, in any case.
Because its cheaper than training a second account and paying a plex to char transfer it to my permanent accounts, meaning I can train cyno alts, scout alts, mfg alts, whatever, with a lot less hassle. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2014.03.27 19:12:00 -
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Avarus Brightfyre wrote:I would imagine total income would go up if they offered this at a lower price. More people would be willing to pay for a half price multiple character training feature than full price for a second account, and certainly more than those willing to add more than double the total account cost just to train a single alt. I happen to be one of the people in this crowd. Real life is far more important than any game, and I cannot justify spending that much, even on a semi-regular basis, on a game. I might bump up to $20 a month, but certainly no more than that. I'm fairly sure that many other players have the same sentiment. Money is money, after all.
Total subscriptions are nice, I suppose, but total revenue would seem to be more important, don't you think?
Someone is wanting a discount price on fully trained alts.
Good job. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 19:23:00 -
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Dual character training is intended as a niche convenience alternative for players who want to put 1-3 months of training into an alt. eg: hauler alts, market alts, PI alts, etc etc.
If you want an alt that's intended to be a "second main" and so trains indefinitely, then it's better in every possible way to train that character on a seperate account.
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l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2014.03.27 19:47:00 -
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Also the price is only higher if you buy it through CCP. If you buy plex on the ingame market or GTC via a retailer you get it at allmost the same price as a normal account. (16.5 USD) German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Avarus Brightfyre
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:19:00 -
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I suppose this is another of those topics that is more complex than it appears on the surface. I'm mostly interested in having a second trade/industrial character that would augment my main combat-centric character, but I'm not really willing to pay for another full subscription fee every month (or even just a few months) to do this, and I'd certainly rather have my alt on the same account. My in-game income rate isn't high enough to warrant trying to go the PLEX route (I wouldn't have ISK for anything else), so I suppose I'll just have to make do with one character.
Thanks for the insights. Still doesn't really make sense to me, but at least there is an answer of some sort on it and it doesn't sound like something that will change any time soon. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:28:00 -
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A trade/industrial character really only needs one months training to get started. If you add it as a second character you only pay that one month of MCT and then its free. Once it starts to earn ISK you can use that ISK to plex more trade skills with MCT.
The alternative is do what people did in the old days. Stop training your main temporarily and skill up the alt then switch traing back to your main. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2014.03.28 12:41:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote: The alternative is do what people did in the old days. Stop training your main temporarily and skill up the alt then switch traing back to your main.
This completely free option is always available.
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Effect One
Vengeful Swan
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:09:00 -
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I personally don't understand why anyone would want to train two characters on the same account, when you could just run two accounts (even if the prices were the same).
Having to log in and out to change multiple characters on a single account would really **** me off.
'EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay' - CCP Rise |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:12:00 -
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Effect One wrote:I personally don't understand why anyone would want to train two characters on the same account, when you could just run two accounts (even if the prices were the same).
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4401315#post4401315 "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:24:00 -
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Effect One wrote:I personally don't understand why anyone would want to train two characters on the same account, when you could just run two accounts (even if the prices were the same).
Having to log in and out to change multiple characters on a single account would really **** me off.
I trained a character on my main's account to fly a blockade runner and of course i don't need to log with him everyday but when i do, it is perfect for me because i need to move stuff in and out of low sec once per week more or less.
I didn't want to train hauling skills on my main so i'm happy with this character.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:35:00 -
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Avarus Brightfyre wrote:I suppose this is another of those topics that is more complex than it appears on the surface. I'm mostly interested in having a second trade/industrial character that would augment my main combat-centric character, but I'm not really willing to pay for another full subscription fee every month (or even just a few months) to do this, and I'd certainly rather have my alt on the same account. My in-game income rate isn't high enough to warrant trying to go the PLEX route (I wouldn't have ISK for anything else), so I suppose I'll just have to make do with one character.
Thanks for the insights. Still doesn't really make sense to me, but at least there is an answer of some sort on it and it doesn't sound like something that will change any time soon. I'm not really sure how it doesn't make sense. In your case, you want a 2nd character, not a 2nd account. So in your situation, I'd pay double for a couple of months allowing me to train a second character alongside my main, then go back to normal price getting to keep both characters. If you instead got a 2nd account, you would have to pay for it all the time you want to use that character and the moment you let your sub run out on the 2nd account, you'd lose access to that character. That is the main benefit.
If you don't want to pay at all, you can do that by pausing training on your main. Pretty simple stuff. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:46:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote: The alternative is do what people did in the old days. Stop training your main temporarily and skill up the alt then switch traing back to your main.
This completely free option is always available.
Stop talking this nonsense, Malcanis. Everyone knows that trying to do this gets you a warning from a GM for not using an alt account instead. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
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Avarus Brightfyre
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:51:00 -
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This game basically charges you a subscription fee in exchange for skill points per month, and you use those skill points to advance in the game. I suppose my confusion is based on the fact that one option costs far more per skill point than the other, yet gives you less benefit overall. In most business transactions, they don't charge you MORE for each item you buy just because you want to buy more. For example, you get much lower prices buying in bulk because the profits go up since you're buying more units.
I can certainly understand that the point of this service is to allow you to just temporarily train up a character to a certain point and then still have access to it under one subscription fee. That makes sense if you only look at the feature by itself, but it still doesn't explain why the price is so much more for this service. You're still paying much more per skill point for less overall benefit in return.
Do they want to discourage people from training alts on the same account? I'm not trying to start an argument about what the intent of the service is, or what alternatives there are to it. I just want a reasonable answer as to why the price is higher. The reason for the price itself is my only question about this particular topic. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:58:00 -
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Avarus Brightfyre wrote:In most business transactions, they don't charge you MORE for each item you buy just because you want to buy more. For example, you get much lower prices buying in bulk because the profits go up since you're buying more units. GǪand EVE is really no different. If you buy 12 months of subscription in one go rather than 1 month at a time, you get a decent discount.
Quote:I can certainly understand that the point of this service is to allow you to just temporarily train up a character to a certain point and then still have access to it under one subscription fee. That makes sense if you only look at the feature by itself, but it still doesn't explain why the price is so much more for this service. You're still paying much more per skill point for less overall benefit in return. Look at it as paying more for the privilege of doing a short-term deal rather than a long-term commitment. Precisely because it's just meant to be a 2-3 month deal for a single character you already own, rather than a many-years-deal on a character you have to retain access to, you pay a higher cost for those SP. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Ralen Zateki
Nexis.
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:12:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:It's a fair price to pay for a capability that did not even exist for 10 1/2 YEARS of this games life.
Whining about it. for whatever silly reason, isn't going to change anything.
Be glad the cost is not 2 PLEX.
No kidding. It would be a total pain in my ass to move all 65 PLEX out of the cargo hold of my Maller just to redeem a couple.... |
Avarus Brightfyre
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Look at it as paying more for the privilege of doing a short-term deal rather than a long-term commitment. Precisely because it's just meant to be a 2-3 month deal for a single character you already own, rather than a many-years-deal on a character you have to retain access to, you pay a higher cost for those SP.
Ok, so less demand overall = higher price. I can see that, I suppose. |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:18:00 -
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Either
A) theres a very good reason for it that you're not seeing because it does not meet your own needs
B) you're implying that everyone that uses this feature is dumb because its such a terrible option compared to the other options.
Its not B. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Avarus Brightfyre
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Posted - 2014.03.28 21:55:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Either
A) theres a very good reason for it that you're not seeing because it does not meet your own needs
B) you're implying that everyone that uses this feature is dumb because its such a terrible option compared to the other options.
Its not B.
Or....
C) I don't understand the policy and I'm looking for a reasonable answer.
Since when did asking a question mean accusing anyone of being stupid? I asked a question and got a fairly reasonable answer out of it. That makes the thread worth it, to me at least. Why do you feel the need to stick your nose into it if you don't have anything constructive to add? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.03.28 22:09:00 -
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Avarus Brightfyre wrote:Since when did asking a question mean accusing anyone of being stupid? This is GD. If you post here it's for one of 2 reasons:
1. You are stupid, or 2. You are accusing someone else of being stupid.
So you should take his answer as a compliment. Clearly he doesn't think you are stupid, so its all good.
EDIT: um, actually. I just reread his response and saw the last line. Sorry, it might be the other reason. '' |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2014.03.29 02:45:00 -
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I am in full agreement with some of the posters in this thread.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:39:00 -
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Avarus Brightfyre wrote: I can certainly understand that the point of this service is to allow you to just temporarily train up a character to a certain point and then still have access to it under one subscription fee. That makes sense if you only look at the feature by itself, but it still doesn't explain why the price is so much more for this service. You're still paying much more per skill point for less overall benefit in return.
Because its worth more. A one or two month trained main character alt repays its plex back in the first month or two and forever afterwards gives you free ISK.
A second character costs you a plex or sub every month forever. |
Abyss Azizora
Astro Industrial Technologies
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Posted - 2014.03.30 02:05:00 -
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Effect One wrote:I personally don't understand why anyone would want to train two characters on the same account, when you could just run two accounts (even if the prices were the same).
Having to log in and out to change multiple characters on a single account would really **** me off.
It works great for me, it let me make spare PI and trade alts to boost my income without adding to my monthly subs/PLEX. It's completely useless for making high sp dedicated alts, but it's useful for low sp, income boosting alts. |
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