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Sakurako Kimino
Volatile Nature White Noise.
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Posted - 2011.11.14 01:06:00 -
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Andrei Taganov wrote:Dear Incursion Bears:
The Eve community at large does not like you. Your influence on our game is not good for anyone but yourself, and your interactions with Eve add no texture to the sandbox in which we all live. The only option your senseless and incessant PvE activities offer anyone else who wants to maintain economic space-independence is running Incursions. For this reason, the greater Eve community will continuously target you and everything you hold dear.
Get over it.
~Andrei.
the eve community at large doesn't like anyone thats not blue, even then they might still not like the blues
eve is about sin |
Andrei Taganov
The Skunkworks
70
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Posted - 2011.11.14 01:17:00 -
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Oh, and I almost forgot: 8/10, well trolled OP.
~Andrei. |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.11.14 01:32:00 -
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I am confused how this all works, doesn't Concord get involved? I don't do incursions, just curious. Repair Drones should be able to repair anyone ... really, they should. -áThink of them as the first targetable subsystem if you're worried about PvP and for missions if someone wants Rep drones over a flight of Hobs, who cares. -áThere is no reasonable objection here other than it's always been that way (so was RR until recently). |
Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.14 02:21:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:I am confused how this all works, doesn't Concord get involved? I don't do incursions, just curious.
Basically the blackbird jams out logistics and causes the shiney ships of the incursion runners to go with out repairs. concord comes and shoots the black bird, but only after the damage has been done. |
rareden
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2011.11.14 02:26:00 -
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then we get all the shiny faction mods that droped, and how were they able to afford such expensive ships in the first place??? because of op incursions that we are attempting to fix |
Kelsi Corynn
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.11.14 02:56:00 -
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So let me get this straight. Suicide ECM-ing the logistics pilots of a high sec Incursion fleet.
ME LIKEY
(The first person who thought of this deserves a medal) |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
72
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Posted - 2011.11.14 03:19:00 -
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Guardian has 2 mid slots - afterburner and ECCM module???
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!! |
Tagera
Unity Systems Engineering The Dog Pound
5
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Posted - 2011.11.14 03:23:00 -
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rareden wrote:then we get all the shiny faction mods that droped, and how were they able to afford such expensive ships in the first place??? because of op incursions that we are attempting to fix
This man gets it...^^
Nerf the incursions, or better yet. Make concord a non issue in incursion constellations. And let the toaster types have some fun. |
Steelshine
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.14 03:34:00 -
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Sakurako Kimino wrote:Tagera wrote:As someone who on occasion runs incursions...they're not faucets. They're fire hoses, a good fleet can make about a bil per person in 8 to 10 hours. I was talking to one guy a few months back. He was 3months into the game and had over 17bil saved from just doing incursions. No real risk means crap tons of profit. 8-10 hours can make a bill as well in null and there is less risk due to intel. 20 minutes a sanctum 35m each is 105m a hour time ten hours 1050m plus you got faction rats as well ohh thats not even in fleet i also almost forgot escalations 90 days aprox to 3 months thats 94.5b, 5.55 times as much just saying
Please tell me where these mythical 35m, instantly respawning sanctums are. |
Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.14 03:34:00 -
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LESS IMMUNITY imo. And the next Hulkageddon should target them and lvl 4 runners too. Get them scared for their faction fit ships :D **** FiS Its Called EVE |
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Zaron Arzi
Depraved Corruption
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Posted - 2011.11.14 03:50:00 -
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Elyssa MacLeod wrote:LESS IMMUNITY imo. And the next Hulkageddon should target them and lvl 4 runners too. Get them scared for their faction fit ships :D
I like this idea. Expand HG to 4 weeks of rewards for incursion deaths. |
RUSROG
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2011.11.14 04:01:00 -
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Do I see tears?
Let me lick those sweet tears, mmmm.
Taste so salty, those tears.
Mmmm...
MOAR TEARS!
I demand MOAR TEARS!
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On another note, nothing is safe in EVE - if you don't like it go play wow or something.
EVE is unpredictable, if you don't have friends to run incursions with - you're doing something wrong.
-áE .-+ ` ' /-+. F
Your tears fuel me. And as always, have nice day. |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.14 04:07:00 -
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Suicide ganks (face it, that is what this is) are a valid and viable tactic in EVE. This tactic means that your attacker gets blown up, just like in any normal suicide gank. And just like any other suicide gank there are ways to protect yourself from it; in this case it means having redundant systems and not count on the bare minimum. Or bring ECCM.
The loophole that was plugged recently fixed a tactic that gave no warning AND had NO consequence. EVE doesn't do 'no consequences' (or close to it anyway). This tactic has plenty consequences, namely CONCORDdokken + standings/security hits.
Also, it is GM Homonoia - the goddess of concord and oneness of mind. Not GM Hormone - the family of chemicals that are designed to do weird stuff to your body and mental state. GM Homonoia | Info Group | Game Master |
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Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.14 04:21:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Suicide ganks (face it, that is what this is) are a valid and viable tactic in EVE. This tactic means that your attacker gets blown up, just like in any normal suicide gank. And just like any other suicide gank there are ways to protect yourself from it; in this case it means having redundant systems and not count on the bare minimum. Or bring ECCM.
The loophole that was plugged recently fixed a tactic that gave no warning AND had NO consequence. EVE doesn't do 'no consequences' (or close to it anyway). This tactic has plenty consequences, namely CONCORDdokken + standings/security hits.
Also, it is GM Homonoia - the goddess of concord and oneness of mind. Not GM Hormone - the family of chemicals that are designed to do weird stuff to your body and mental state.
not mt pwning. |
Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.14 04:33:00 -
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RUSROG wrote:Do I see tears?
Let me lick those sweet tears, mmmm.
Taste so salty, those tears.
Mmmm...
MOAR TEARS!
I demand MOAR TEARS!
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On another note, nothing is safe in EVE - if you don't like it go play wow or something.
EVE is unpredictable, if you don't have friends to run incursions with - you're doing something wrong.
Imagine those tears if the HaG did as I suggested and targetted the most expensive faction fits
**** FiS Its Called EVE |
Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2011.11.14 04:34:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Suicide ganks (face it, that is what this is) are a valid and viable tactic in EVE. This tactic means that your attacker gets blown up, just like in any normal suicide gank. And just like any other suicide gank there are ways to protect yourself from it; in this case it means having redundant systems and not count on the bare minimum. Or bring ECCM.
The loophole that was plugged recently fixed a tactic that gave no warning AND had NO consequence. EVE doesn't do 'no consequences' (or close to it anyway). This tactic has plenty consequences, namely CONCORDdokken + standings/security hits.
Also, it is GM Homonoia - the goddess of concord and oneness of mind. Not GM Hormone - the family of chemicals that are designed to do weird stuff to your body and mental state.
Oh I am SO sigging you
**** FiS Its Called EVE |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
282
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Posted - 2011.11.14 04:51:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Suicide ganks (face it, that is what this is) are a valid and viable tactic in EVE. This tactic means that your attacker gets blown up, just like in any normal suicide gank. And just like any other suicide gank there are ways to protect yourself from it; in this case it means having redundant systems and not count on the bare minimum. Or bring ECCM.
The loophole that was plugged recently fixed a tactic that gave no warning AND had NO consequence. EVE doesn't do 'no consequences' (or close to it anyway). This tactic has plenty consequences, namely CONCORDdokken + standings/security hits.
Also, it is GM Homonoia - the goddess of concord and oneness of mind. Not GM Hormone - the family of chemicals that are designed to do weird stuff to your body and mental state.
Wow, talk about a buzz killer.
You went and ran off all the charter members of the "Silent Majority" brigade that seem to think some of the recent changes means that CCP has decided high sec should become absolutely safe... as opposed to making sure players on both sides of the fence have the tools necessary to employ their trade.
This thread could have gone on for several pages of amusement. Thanks a lot big guy.
(Actually, seriously, thanks a lot GM Homonia for setting things straight. Cheers.) To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Jr Instructorcon
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.14 07:07:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Suicide ganks (face it, that is what this is) are a valid and viable tactic in EVE. This tactic means that your attacker gets blown up, just like in any normal suicide gank. And just like any other suicide gank there are ways to protect yourself from it; in this case it means having redundant systems and not count on the bare minimum. Or bring ECCM.
The loophole that was plugged recently fixed a tactic that gave no warning AND had NO consequence. EVE doesn't do 'no consequences' (or close to it anyway). This tactic has plenty consequences, namely CONCORDdokken + standings/security hits.
Also, it is GM Homonoia - the goddess of concord and oneness of mind. Not GM Hormone - the family of chemicals that are designed to do weird stuff to your body and mental state.
I... don't even know what to say. Bless you. |
King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.11.14 08:12:00 -
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So here's a question, why aren't these logi pilots using ECCM/remote ECCM? Seriously, shame on you if you get ECM'd by a blackbird in a guardian/basilisk. |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
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Posted - 2011.11.14 09:04:00 -
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The tactic is suicidal and I doubt that any attempts would be really effective. Logistics have high sensor strengths so it is a gamble if a suicide ganker is able to break their lock and prevent them from repping a target. Also incursion ships are fitted for resistance/buffer, so they can last a few seconds, even when the sanshas focus their fire, because that is what a good incursion ship is supposed to do.
Suicide jamming is more of a comedy relief then a threat for any incursion fleet. Clowns that get themselves blown up are always hilarious. |
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2011.11.14 11:29:00 -
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Sakurako Kimino wrote:Tagera wrote:As someone who on occasion runs incursions...they're not faucets. They're fire hoses, a good fleet can make about a bil per person in 8 to 10 hours. I was talking to one guy a few months back. He was 3months into the game and had over 17bil saved from just doing incursions. No real risk means crap tons of profit. 8-10 hours can make a bill as well in null and there is less risk due to intel. 20 minutes a sanctum 35m each is 105m a hour time ten hours 1050m plus you got faction rats as well ohh thats not even in fleet i also almost forgot escalations 90 days aprox to 3 months thats 94.5b, 5.55 times as much just saying
Dude, you do realise they reduced Sanctum spawn times? That you need to run the onboard scanner 930s0 to spot it? This is not true of Incursions, where OTA's and NCO's just respawn INSTANTLY to a instantly warpable celestial. And further, you are in hisec, so your risk is basically zero - whereas in nullsec, to get that ISK, you need a carrier and are vulnerable to being ganked.
Bzzzt. Try again you mewling ingrate.
also: LULS The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu
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Worrff
The Darkness Within
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Posted - 2011.11.14 12:51:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:EVE doesn't do 'no consequences' (or close to it anyway)
For this to be anywhere near true, you would need to remove Insurance payouts for Concord related kills.
As it is now, there are virtually no consequences for suicide ganking. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
303
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Posted - 2011.11.14 12:53:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:The loophole that was plugged recently fixed a tactic that gave no warning AND had NO consequence. EVE doesn't do 'no consequences' (or close to it anyway). This tactic has plenty consequences, namely CONCORDdokken + standings/security hits See, this is bullcrap.
The "warning" was the fact that they were in fleet with 5 or 6 guys who all had corp history in people that were VERY VERY KNOWN to be doing this. Congratulations on saving the retards too stupid to check that.
The "consequences" never happened because the carebears are too ******* carebear to make it happen. Namely, that every ship SKNK used to shoot the bears, went red on the overview. Their own faction / pirate battleships. Points at this point, if anyone can think of any possible way that could have bitten them in the ass
FFS stop making every "consequence" in this ******* game something that is doled out by NPCs, and tell the players to HTFU and do something about it themselves.
Because all you're doing is pushing the scale further and further one way, where eventually every ******* ****** dipshit in highsec will be expecting a giant CONCORD fairy to come and make everything better for them.
As for the tards who think "Null is safer, coz of intel channels! tee hee!" then I counter with - http://www.suddenbuggery.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1670
Because there are quite easy ways around intel channels. But hey, think that if you want. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.14 13:05:00 -
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Zowie Powers wrote:Corp/alliance bans 11/14/2011 From: carmelos53 Sent: 2011.11.13 18:14 To: Public incursion blacklist,
Kill It With Fire - now added due to blackbird suicide jamming
Snap to it CCP. Like GM Hormone said, there is no warning for Incursion runners of this threat, so there is no way to protect against, therefore it's an exploit against Incursion runners.
THE ISK FOUNTAIN MUST NOT BE STOPPED.
7/10
Would read again. It is short and subtle, causing many to miss it.
My only criticism would be the all caps at the end. A little too much, but didn't hurt the overall presentation.
The loser in any fight consols himself with a moral victory. Thus is the beginning of slave-morality.
Your Homework |
Samillian
Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.11.14 13:24:00 -
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Worrff wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:EVE doesn't do 'no consequences' (or close to it anyway) For this to be anywhere near true, you would need to remove Insurance payouts for Concord related kills. As it is now, there are virtually no consequences for suicide ganking.
You should check out the test server and read a few more threads insurance is changing, not that it will do a thing to stop suicide ganking. All the gankers i know don't do it for profit put rather for the pure joy of it and the sound of pointless fury in local.
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G0hme
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.11.14 13:35:00 -
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You talk'in bout ma Blackbird! Fo shizzle!
I play EVE for tears and this thread delivers.
Your precious Highsec Bhaalgorns and Machariels (like the ones we got blown up last night) will never be safe.
Bears will be bears and gankers will always destroy clueless people. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1130
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Posted - 2011.11.14 13:38:00 -
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mkint wrote:Abrazzar wrote:Ariane VoxDei wrote:Sakurako Kimino wrote:can you link to where GM Hormone said no warning for incursions runners? Does matter where or if? The scenario is pretty selfexplaining. All they have time for is to notice a neutral on grid and pray they are out of range, before logistics locks are broken and blocked for 20s. 20s without remote reps, and usually no local tank, is a long time with a incursion hammering the fleet. I wonder how PvP fleets can manage with their logistics getting permajammed by a lone blackbird. An incursion griefing blackbird doesn't need to fit tank or weapons, or even a mix of ECM types. Just needs a 2:1 ratio of amarr:gallente/caldari:minmatar, or scout out the target fleet in advance (which is trivial to do) and just fit for what they've got, plus the lowslot and rig modules. Everyone at CCP keeps deciding ECM sucks as a game mechanic, but they never bother to make it not suck. Why is that? WTB ECM that reduces your targeting slots by 1.
Ohhh you just gave me a great idea for a sensor-dampening scorpion! No "chance based" shennannigans there! Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2011.11.14 14:00:00 -
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This thread continues to deliver the goods!
If Incursions and Sleepers are the "end-game" for PvE, then act like it and properly fit your ships expecting a gank attempt.
Also: Align to a safe spot warp-out? Care bears these days.... 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284286 |
Mart Allini
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.11.14 14:08:00 -
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Woot, Eve fame.
For reference, we were just trying this out yesterday and out of three attempts, only one ended up in non-blackbird ships dying. I think the logi panicing and warping out had a large part in that happening. By the end, we'd used 15 blackbirds, lost a bunch of sec status, but killed a machariel and a bhaalgorn and looted two shiny federation navy stasis webifier. All in all a good night.
FYI: a smart hauler would buy up a lot of meta3 ecm and haul them to Jita |
Maximille Biagge
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.11.14 14:21:00 -
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I endorse this thread.
The blackbird suiciding that is, and all the tears.
A few minor points:
To the guy who thinks the jamming cycle magicaly ends once the blackbird has been destroyed - lol try again.
To all the guys saying fit ECCM, you are welcome to try; but do some maths first - you might be dissapointed.
To all incursion runners: be afraid.
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