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Satin
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Posted - 2006.05.03 17:10:00 -
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Well I am new to this, I have Tons of Questions about Blue Prints... To be less confusing I am going to try list them one by one and hope someone can answer it one by one.
If anyone knows any link I can go to and read more about this I will be greatly appreciated.
1) How can you tell the difference Between BluePrint Original and BluePrint Copy in Escrow?
2) How you make a Copy out of Original?
2a) what's the difference between a Copy and an Original?
2b) I heard there is a Run Limit not sure about it but will the Copy or Original Deleted after it hit Zero?
2c) if it doesn't delete after Zero will people able to sell them on Escrow?
2d) how can you tell is a Zero run Blue print on Escrow?
3) I read somewhere on this Forum about Blue Print Original if the "ME" is zero is worthless... What's ME? and what number should it be? and why is Zero Worthless?
4) I read somewhere on this Forum that you can Buy Original Blue Prints from NPC? I thought no NPC sell stuff in this game? How you buy stuff from NPCs? and what you need to do to find those NPCs? and how you get it if you can't buy from NPCs? do those Blue Print Drop out of Some Rats?
5) I heard about if you want a better ship you need to Research on Blue Print Original, How do you research Blue Prints? do you need to rent a factory or science lab or something? and what skills or what things you need to help you research a blueprint? if the research fail do you lose your Blue Prints?
6) How you make an item out of Blue prints? do you need skills to make items?...
that's all I can think of for now... I know I will have more later. Thx for trying to help me.
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Myiesha
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Posted - 2006.05.03 17:27:00 -
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Not sure where you heard most of the info above but much of its wrong. :)
NPC's sell a LOT of stuff in the game. Some directly via the market some through agent offers.
BPO(c)
Most T1 BPO's can be purchased off of the Market.
Most T2 BPO's come from Research and Development Agents.
You can tell the difference between a BPO and BPC by Show Info and looking at the number of runs listed. I belive its one of the columns displayed on Escrow but have not looked there yet as I dont make items. ;)
When you make a Copy of an Original, you generate BPC's. You can do this in Research Labs. This is the same place were you increase ME and PE.
Copies have a limited number of times you can make items from them. In addition you can not research a copy. No copies of copies, and no improving the ME or PE of a copy that I know of. When a copy reaches 0 runs you can no longer use it to make items. I belive the copy stays around though so you can Show Info on it for costs and such.
ME0 is _NOT_ worthless. You can still make items from it, and if its a BPO you can research it. Its just not as cost effective to make an item from a ME0 as a ME#+
ME reduces the mineral cost of the item your making. PE reduces the production time of the item your making. Both of these have dimminishing returns. a ME1000 item isnt that much better then a ME20 item. But there is a noticable improvement from ME0 to ME1.
ME has NO effect on ship quality or anything else about the finished product.
To make an item out of a BPO or BPC you rent a factory slot. Install it with the required componets and wait. What is required will range greatly from item to item so Show Info to see. Most items only require Industry 1 but you can save isks by training up Production Effeciency. Other higher end items require advanced skills and rare componets to make.
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Satin
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Posted - 2006.05.03 18:11:00 -
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WoW =D Okay Got it have some understanding now Thx for the quick reply =D Any link or website out there that can give me more information about Blueprints?
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Gadfly Hawke
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Posted - 2006.05.03 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Satin WoW =D Okay Got it have some understanding now Thx for the quick reply =D Any link or website out there that can give me more information about Blueprints?
Try this link
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GC13
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Posted - 2006.05.03 18:43:00 -
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Hey, Gadfly, can you send people to just http://evefiles.mysterious-mysteries.com and not one of the specific files? They're smart; they can decide if they want the PDF, HTML, or TXT version.
Thanks.
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Gadfly Hawke
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Posted - 2006.05.03 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: GC13 Hey, Gadfly, can you send people to just http://evefiles.mysterious-mysteries.com and not one of the specific files? They're smart; they can decide if they want the PDF, HTML, or TXT version.
Thanks.
OK -- will do.
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Satin
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Posted - 2006.05.03 21:32:00 -
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So once you have an Original you can keep making Copies? unlimited of Copies and Unlimited of Units? and you can research on it more and make is use less material and faster to build?... is that it?... am I getting that correctly?
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GC13
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Posted - 2006.05.03 21:41:00 -
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Yep. BPOs don't deteriorate at all.
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Gadfly Hawke
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Posted - 2006.05.03 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Satin So once you have an Original you can keep making Copies? unlimited of Copies and Unlimited of Units? and you can research on it more and make is use less material and faster to build?... is that it?... am I getting that correctly?
Up to a point. There is a practical limit to the research that you can do, in the sense that more research won't yield any additional gain in efficiency. There is also a practical limit on your own manufacturing skill. Your skill (or lack of it) introduces manufacturing inefficiencies, that you dispel by skilling up Industry and Production Efficiency. It's sort of like advancing half the distance to a wall with each step that you take. You never quite reach the wall. You have to decide how much is enough, because each step costs you, in time or ISK or both.
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ataupe
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Posted - 2006.05.03 21:51:00 -
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Yes, once you have an original blueprint, you can make an unlimited number of copies, or an unlimited number of items from the blueprint itself. I believe blueprint copies may have some limit to the number of runs per copy. This might be wrong, but someone mentioned once that ammo bpc (copies) can only have 1500 runs. If you look on escrow, under the missions tab at stations, you will see blueprint copies for sale, and you can look at the number of runs and the research of that copy, or at least mineral requirements, on escrow. Just to correct one point mentioned in the other replies, my blueprint copies of ships disappeared from my inventory once the runs were used up. So I don't think you will see any copies with 0 runs left. At least both of mine evaporated with the last run. A blue print original would have worth, whether researched or not. For T1 items, the worth is there for all to see on the market screen. The new owner could always research their new blueprint themselves. A copy retains the ME and PE values of the blueprint it is copied from. But a blueprint copy itself, can not be researched at all to improve manufacturing time or mineral utilization, so sellers of copies have usually researched the blueprint first to make the copy more valuable to prospective buyers.
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Satin
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Posted - 2006.05.05 01:37:00 -
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So only Original Blue Prints in Market? or people can post Blue Print Copy on Market too?
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GC13
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Posted - 2006.05.05 01:43:00 -
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Only blueprints that have not had anything done to/with them can be sold on the market. Researched and/or used ones must be sold on escrow.
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Kaladr
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Posted - 2006.05.05 01:45:00 -
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Only UNresearched BPOs are on the market. If you've built something with its also not possible to relist it. ---- EVE-Central.com | Obsidian Technologies - 0.0 Manufacturing, Defense and Logistics. We're hiring! Mail me |
Satin
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Posted - 2006.05.05 17:28:00 -
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another Question... So is there a MAX ME or PE? or is it different on different type of items?
For example: if Ammos is 10 PE and 100 ME how good is that?... or what does those mean? is that good or BAD? and if is on a ship 10 PE and 100 ME is there a different Meaning?
Also how you research Tech 1 BPO to Tech 2 BPO?
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Myiesha
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Posted - 2006.05.05 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Satin another Question... So is there a MAX ME or PE? or is it different on different type of items?
For example: if Ammos is 10 PE and 100 ME how good is that?... or what does those mean? is that good or BAD? and if is on a ship 10 PE and 100 ME is there a different Meaning?
Also how you research Tech 1 BPO to Tech 2 BPO?
You dont improve T1 to T2. T2 are their own beast and have nothing to do with T1 BPO's.
There is no limit on PE or ME, I have some missile BPO's from my corp with ME over 1000. However as noticed above you get less and less return from each one. There is basicaly no difference between a ME 500 and a ME1000.
Most people suggest a ME of 15-20 ish. What you will want depends on the item. Remeber labs cost money so you get to the point were it cost you more to run the lab then you will save in minerals.
PE is the same way, while it saves you time that is often not a huge deal.
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Satin
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Posted - 2006.05.05 17:39:00 -
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So... you mean that if I have ME is 100
I use it a few times it might become ME 99?
or what you mean by less and less from each one? =D that really confuse me hehe =D
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GC13
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Posted - 2006.05.05 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Satin or what you mean by less and less from each one?
That second one that I quoted. And I shall quote from my guide: "Note that in order to halve the wastage factor again, you need to double the current ML and add one."
So you need to more than double the ML to get half of what you got last time you doubled. Majorly stinks, eh?
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Myiesha
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Posted - 2006.05.05 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Myiesha on 05/05/2006 17:53:22
Originally by: Satin So... you mean that if I have ME is 100
I use it a few times it might become ME 99?
or what you mean by less and less from each one? =D that really confuse me hehe =D
Everything is a Base of "0" so higher is better. ME and PE never go down once researched on a BPO or on a BPC.
What I mean by less and less is (NOT ACCURATE) along this line below. While ME 1-3 save you a great deal, ME4+ is more or less a waste of time. In EVE that actualy kicks in around ME15-20. So by reseaching it to very high ME you dont save any minerals of note.
(Total Savings) ME1: Saves you 1000 Trit (1000) ME2: Saves you 750 Trit (1750) ME3: Saves you 300 Trit (2050) ME4: Saves you 50 Trit (2100) ME5: Saves you 10 Trit (2110) ME10: Saves you 1 trit (2111) ME50: Saves you 1 Trit (2112) ME1000: Saves you 1 trit (2113)
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Satin
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Posted - 2006.05.05 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: Satin on 05/05/2006 22:35:35 haha Got it =D I feel soo stupid hehe =D but this game is Great soo many different things... soo confusing but soo eye opening too...
is like those work for CCP meditate everyday to see what they can Add to make it more Realistics.. and more confusing at the same time =D haha
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Satin
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Posted - 2006.05.05 22:36:00 -
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is like those work for CCP meditate everyday to see what they can Add to make it more Realistics.. and more confusing at the same time =D haha
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