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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:19:00 -
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It has been over a year or two (or three!) since I have really put any significant hours into this game, but I still keep coming back because there is no game like it!
Anyways, ship prices seem to have doubled (or tripled) from what I remember.
I remember 65m domi and geddon I remember 75mil zealot and Cerberus I remember 115 mill absolution and nighthawk I remember 30 mill brutix and prophesy. I remember 90 mill Curse (I really miss this price. My favorite ship in the game!)
What happened? Vacuums suck. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1139
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:20:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:It has been over a year or two (or three!) since I have really put any significant hours into this game, but I still keep coming back because there is no game like it!
Anyways, ship prices seem to have doubled (or tripled) from what I remember.
I remember 65m domi and geddon I remember 75mil zealot and Cerberus I remember 115 mill absolution and nighthawk I remember 30 mill brutix and prophesy. I remember 90 mill Curse (I really miss this price. My favorite ship in the game!)
What happened?
Try looking at the prices of the building materials?
CCP: "We know what's best for the game, so you can't have any options....." |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
31
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:22:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote: Try looking at the prices of the building materials?
.... Well I assumed people didn't just start charging more for no reason.
Let me rephrase the question if it makes you feel better
What happened to mineral prices used to make ships? Vacuums suck. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
360
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:23:00 -
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they went up.
drone regions, drones no longer drop minerals.
misison loot drops less minerals (less to refine)
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Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
444
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:23:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote: Try looking at the prices of the building materials?
.... Well I assumed people didn't just start charging more for no reason. Let me rephrase the question if it makes you feel better What happened to mineral prices used to make ships?
Big boats blew up. |
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate Caldari State
198
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:28:00 -
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Basically. Someone set thier sale price above market value the next guy see this and ups his price and this continues unabated. Sure there other factors like war , ganking and patch rebalancing but as its a free market greed is good.
Pog mo thoin |
Natassia Krasnoo
R3D SHIFT Brothers Of The Dark Sun
269
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:30:00 -
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If you think it's bad now wait until after the refining changes in summer. Might want to stock up on your favorites now. |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
31
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:37:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:they went up.
drone regions, drones no longer drop minerals.
misison loot drops less minerals (less to refine)
That doesn't seem like those things would make a significant difference. Vacuums suck. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3462
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:48:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:they went up.
drone regions, drones no longer drop minerals.
misison loot drops less minerals (less to refine)
That doesn't seem like those things would make a significant difference.
The drone regions were farmed to death to build entire capital ship fleets. When that all dried up mineral prices doubled literally overnight.
Besides that all the meta 0 modules in loot were removed and replaced with metal scraps. The 1000s of missioners out there that would take these low quality modules and refine them suddenly had all of that minerals source removed. Not to mention the rogue drones in missions too.
Those two things has a MASSIVE impact on the market, besides just overall inflation continuing. The Drake is a Lie |
Natassia Krasnoo
R3D SHIFT Brothers Of The Dark Sun
270
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:49:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:they went up.
drone regions, drones no longer drop minerals.
misison loot drops less minerals (less to refine)
That doesn't seem like those things would make a significant difference.
Drone regions nerf took a little bit to trickle into the market. But the impact was felt and I'm sure it could or has been put into a graph somewhere. The mission loot drop nerf probably had a smaller impact but the two together along with an increase in highsec ganking and hulkageddon events has caused mineral prices to increase across the board. Once the summer expansion hits with the refine/reprocessing changes expect the prices to go even higher. Sometimes I wonder if CCP does this stuff on purpose to drive GTC and Plex sales. |
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Alphea Abbra
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
740
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:53:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:they went up.
drone regions, drones no longer drop minerals.
misison loot drops less minerals (less to refine)
That doesn't seem like those things would make a significant difference. The drone regions were a huge part of the minerals. I heard half of some minerals, but I don't have a source. Those minerals were replaced with ISK, so not only are there less minerals, now there are also more ISK ... adding this to natural inflation, and you get higher ship prices. I'm not sure if the almost 6 months of continued war in the south has made any impact over "business as usual" but I can't imagine that it would have made prices go down.
Together, this makes some price changes (semi)permanent, like drones and refining, and others are just current, such as various wars, and some again are inbuilt in the system, due to inflation prices most likely will be higher than when you left the game, for the same reason that wages are higher now than they were in 2000. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4167
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:54:00 -
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Natassia Krasnoo wrote:Sometimes I wonder if CCP does this stuff on purpose to drive GTC and Plex sales.
"Don't miss our upcoming special: redeem one PLEX and receive 3 mission-fit Caldari Ravens" The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
217
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:13:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:It has been over a year or two (or three!) since I have really put any significant hours into this game, but I still keep coming back because there is no game like it!
Anyways, ship prices seem to have doubled (or tripled) from what I remember.
I remember 65m domi and geddon I remember 75mil zealot and Cerberus I remember 115 mill absolution and nighthawk I remember 30 mill brutix and prophesy. I remember 90 mill Curse (I really miss this price. My favorite ship in the game!)
What happened? No offense, but your question kinda sounds like my grandpa talking about 'back in his day'... To give you a short answer: question and demand
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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
363
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:18:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:What happened?
Inflation and ship tieriside.
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
31
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:23:00 -
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Grauth Thorner wrote: No offense, but your question kinda sounds like my grandpa talking about 'back in his day'... To give you a short answer: question and demand
Yeah I do talk a lot about the "Good 'Ol Days", since I have been apart of EVE since 2004.
It just seems like It takes a lot more PVE to fund my PVP these days. The speed of my income hasn't really gone up, but my ship prices have. Maybe I need to start doing something different, I dunno.
I've tried PI, guess I was doing it wrong. Log in every 2 days and sell my stuff and I'd only have a few hundred thousand isk profit. (granted I haven't done PI since the first few months of it's introduction so maybe It has gotten better)
I loathe mining.
Maybe production? But It seems to take a lot of skill training and a decent capital investment to work properly.
I really just want to make isk by Pew Pew. It is an internet spaceship game after all. What is the point of playing if I'm not making things go boom? Vacuums suck. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6322
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:30:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:Grauth Thorner wrote: No offense, but your question kinda sounds like my grandpa talking about 'back in his day'... To give you a short answer: question and demand
Yeah I do talk a lot about the "Good 'Ol Days", since I have been apart of EVE since 2004. It just seems like It takes a lot more PVE to fund my PVP these days. The speed of my income hasn't really gone up, but my ship prices have. Maybe I need to start doing something different, I dunno. I've tried PI, guess I was doing it wrong. Log in every 2 days and sell my stuff and I'd only have a few hundred thousand isk profit. (granted I haven't done PI since the first few months of it's introduction so maybe It has gotten better) I loathe mining. Maybe production? But It seems to take a lot of skill training and a decent capital investment to work properly. I really just want to make isk by Pew Pew. It is an internet spaceship game after all. What is the point of playing if I'm not making things go boom?
Use cheaper ships. The end of cheap mineral faucets has affected everyone, so you're not the only one with the issue. Tiericide on the other hand has made the affordable T1 hulls very good, so it's not like you don't have access to a lot of great ships even with a thinner wallet.
Also, look in to faction warfare for income from PvP. I'm not in it, but a lot of people seem really happy with it and the income earning potential. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
517
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:36:00 -
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If you check the BPO of someof those ships you mention there is this magical thing called "extra materials' that was not there until recently. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
500
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:41:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote: Try looking at the prices of the building materials?
.... Well I assumed people didn't just start charging more for no reason. Let me rephrase the question if it makes you feel better What happened to mineral prices used to make ships?
People said mining is boring. Fewer people mine. Those that do mine charge more for the service and product they provide. |
Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1304
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:05:00 -
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Some clever clogs looked at the materials required to build ships and spotted the cheap ones were cheap because they needed fewer materials to build.
They balanced this by adding EXTRA materials to the build (see BPOs and BPCs).
I approve this very much. *signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3328
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:35:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Those two things has a MASSIVE impact on the market, besides just overall inflation continuing. Inflation shouldn't be brushed-off so easily.
As EVE grows with more players, they need more ships and modules, so that increased demand raises prices.
As EVE grows with more players, there is more ISK created into the economy by them tapping the faucets, and prices rise.
As EVE grows with more players, ISK changes hands more often, increasing the apparent amount of ISK in the economy ("the velocity of money"). PLEX are also a huge enabler of this, and with more people using PLEX, the effect also increases. |
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cpt Mark
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Heiian Conglomerate
6
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:44:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Last Wolf wrote:It has been over a year or two (or three!) since I have really put any significant hours into this game, but I still keep coming back because there is no game like it!
Anyways, ship prices seem to have doubled (or tripled) from what I remember.
I remember 65m domi and geddon I remember 75mil zealot and Cerberus I remember 115 mill absolution and nighthawk I remember 30 mill brutix and prophesy. I remember 90 mill Curse (I really miss this price. My favorite ship in the game!)
What happened? Try looking at the prices of the building materials?
Captain Obvious on deck! Stand to attention! |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2535
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:20:00 -
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I don't think I ever recall t2 ships like hacs/recons under 100m or command ships under 150.
As for the t1 ships, many got their build costs increased when they were buffed as a part of tiericide. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4599
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Posted - 2014.03.29 02:49:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote: What happened?
Too much to go into right now. Maybe I'll write a blog.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1468
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Posted - 2014.03.29 03:06:00 -
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hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Basically. Someone set thier sale price above market value the next guy see this and ups his price and this continues unabated. Sure there other factors like war , ganking and patch rebalancing but as its a free market greed is good.
That's not how it works, mate.
As has already been stated, mineral prices dictate ship prices, just like in the real world. There's a markup, because the manufacturing toons need to make money, too. Then there's a further markup for selling outside trade hubs. The prices go up when you dip into lowsec.
This is just how a real economy works. EVE has the closest thing to a real economy in any game. Prices aren't arbitrary. The death of "drone poo" alloys was a factor. Now the upcoming refining restrictions will raise prices a little, again. So prepare for it to get worse.
If you can't handle it, I'll gladly take your assets and ISK, while you unsub. As much as I would like to be given a bunch of free stuff, though, I encourage you to stay. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Darkopus
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.03.29 03:06:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote: Try looking at the prices of the building materials?
.... Well I assumed people didn't just start charging more for no reason. Let me rephrase the question if it makes you feel better What happened to mineral prices used to make ships?
CCP added a bonus round to the materials to troll all the indy guys.....................
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Maximillan Lancaster
The Scope Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2014.03.29 03:21:00 -
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Wait till you see the PLEX prices. |
Xavier Holtzman
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Fatal Ascension
106
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Posted - 2014.03.29 03:23:00 -
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... -x |
Muestereate
Minions LLC
259
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Posted - 2014.03.29 03:32:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:they went up.
drone regions, drones no longer drop minerals.
misison loot drops less minerals (less to refine)
This and they increased mineral requirements on a a lot of big ships. Not sure about the curse, I'd have to price the t2 components but wars have been fought, wars have been lost and moons have been nerfed also. Its possible the nerfs increased plex sales so that income to ccp was increased indirectly also. 1000 dollar jeans and stuff ya know.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1186
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:13:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote: Inflation shouldn't be brushed-off so easily.
As EVE grows with more players, they need more ships and modules, so that increased demand raises prices.
As EVE grows with more players, there is more ISK created into the economy by them tapping the faucets, and prices rise.
As EVE grows with more players, ISK changes hands more often, increasing the apparent amount of ISK in the economy ("the velocity of money"). PLEX are also a huge enabler of this, and with more people using PLEX, the effect also increases.
Except none of these factors are real, and the market is showing current deflation even. Every major shift in overall ship prices can be traced to direct influences on the mineral market changing supply & demand. Every major shift in an individual ship price can be traced directly to buffs/nerfs in minerals to build & power of the ship.
Minor shifts can be easily attributed to shifts in production trying to chase the best isk ratio's.
Despite the raise in mineral prices miners still make far far less income than almost any other profession in EVE. Be glad they aren't charging you an equivalent income to lvl 4 missions. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10944
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:35:00 -
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Batelle wrote:I don't think I ever recall t2 ships like hacs/recons under 100m or command ships under 150.
I can...
I also remember Mega being well u der 100 mil. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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