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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.05.04 08:01:00 -
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I was taking a look at various Domi fittings on Quickfit, and decided, on a lark, to try out some Garde drones. Highest damage, lowest range, yes, but I was interested in damage vs. Ogres.
What I came up with, with DI 4, HD4, and Sentry 4, was a grand total difference of about seven DPS. And keep in mind the Sentries are basically turrets which I believe you must retrieve after the fight is done.
Granted, the other Sentries have pretty impressive optimal ranges... but gord. So little DPS compared to their far more mobile and easier to manage Heavy counterparts? Also factor in that currently the Dom is really the only realistic platform for Sentry deployment (they'd consume all of a Mega or Geddon's drone bay, leaving such vessels without any good anti-Frig support on their own), and Sentries just seem... horribly lacking ATM.
About the only real use I can find ATM is maybe using Wardens on a Sniperthron so you can just scoop your "turrets" as your warp out... but even still. You sacrifice a lot of that lovely drone versatility if you do that.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.05.04 08:05:00 -
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Sentries have the advantage that they deal instant damage, if the enemy is in their firing range they can start shooting straight away instead of flying over there first, that is a big advantage in a fight where quick kills count.
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Renox
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Posted - 2006.05.04 08:30:00 -
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I've found them quite good at npcing. Sometimes it takes heavydrones forever and a day to get to a target, kill it and get back. With sentry drones you save a lot of time that way. But they aren't much good in msot pvp situations.
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.05.04 08:32:00 -
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Edited by: Kel Shek on 04/05/2006 08:32:30 I agree 100% that the dominix is really the only ship they would be a good plan to use them with.
Sentrys are EXTREMELY good, in some situations. I just about always take a flight of them with me on missions in my dominix. I can warp in at long range, aggro the rats, and take pot shots at them with the drones. since when the NPC's are on approach from long range, they fly straight at you, the tracking suckage on the sentrys doesn't hurt. and 1 volley from a set can pop some frigs in one or two(maybe 3, if they don't all hit) and take HUGE bites out of most cruisers, when at the proper range.
level 4 Rogue Drone Harassment can be done almost entirely with a set of garde's, from the warp in point.
edit: oh yeah, and as long as you don't go anywhere once you drop them... instascoop once stuff is too close, and you can drop regular drones. also scoop and redeploy to refresh shields on them.
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Brisi
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Posted - 2006.05.04 09:26:00 -
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*Cough* Quickfit doesn't calculate drones damage *Cough*
I know it says it does, but when 5 Heavy Berserker II's on my maxed out domi does about 5 DPS, I get a bit sceptical.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.05.04 09:30:00 -
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t2 heavy drones are a lot better, but if u cant use t2 heaavys they might be worth it -------------------Sig-----------------------
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.05.04 09:36:00 -
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At least the sentry drones aren't bugged when it comes to return to drone bay feature. They aren't supposed to be able to in the first place.
No, Sentries are more or less useless in PvP because you'll need to go back and get them. If you sit still during anything but a pure gank, you're in for a hurting, so you tend not to sit still. That means you'll often have to trudge back a few tenths of kilometers to get the drones back into bay.
Also, Sentry Drones are a lot more vulnerable to enemies trying to pop drones. New sig coming soonÖ Drone musing (MC-boards) |
FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:09:00 -
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I've never really got into sentry drones, so forgive me here...
But surely a better tactic is to place the sentry drones in each other's optimal... linda like a triangle (for 3 drones), that way they cover each other for frigs. Your ship just sits in the middle, and is covered by them all.
Granted, that some drones would require a massive setup. But would be useful for prolonged engagements.
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Takanake Yuki
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:50:00 -
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Sentries rawk; try putting them out, and flying away from them untill you are just beyond their optimal. sit still and pull aggro. only very fast inties are a problem, and sh!t dies quick that way
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80 I've never really got into sentry drones, so forgive me here...
But surely a better tactic is to place the sentry drones in each other's optimal... linda like a triangle (for 3 drones), that way they cover each other for frigs. Your ship just sits in the middle, and is covered by them all.
Granted, that some drones would require a massive setup. But would be useful for prolonged engagements.
This is for taking out frigates? Light drones are far superior, and Light Drones are also a novelty among drones in that they actually get to where they need to be within a century! New sig coming soonÖ Drone musing (MC-boards) |
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:39:00 -
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If your in a gang and camping a gate you can drop the drones on the gate then fly up to 165km away and pound anything near the gate with your drones.
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: twit brent If your in a gang and camping a gate you can drop the drones on the gate then fly up to 165km away and pound anything near the gate with your drones.
QFT... Also explains why I think the Sentry Drones are actually most useful by the likes of a sniping thron than a domi...
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Sable Moran
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Shek I agree 100% that the dominix is really the only ship they would be a good plan to use them with.
I think typhoon would be another candidate. 5 sentries would still leave 50m3 free for medium and/or light drones.
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:45:00 -
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You know you have to calculate drone dps manually right? Neither quickfit nor clicking on them in space works.
Sentries do about 5% less damage than heavies afaik, and as such are good for dealing instant damage @ 40ks or so. Heavies are obviously much better at close range.
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Contralto
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:16:00 -
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I use only wardens and only for sniping at up to 100km on lvl 4 encounter missions or where the rats dont aggro on warp in on deadspace missions. I can take down 6 Guardian veterans,(they pop in one salvo) and up to 4 90k cruisers (5 or 6 salvos each) or up to 4 BS (30 salvos each)before they get to 25km where the wardens cease to hit anything smaller than a BS orbiting at 130ms.the net effect is that I can decimate almost any single spawn before taking any damage and then move onto the next spawn.
I fly a Domi with BS lvl3 plus lvl4 drone interfacing so there is still room for a big damage bonus (another 40% with both at lvl 5). plus with Gunnery V and drone tracking links they will be even more deadly. side by side the wardens do a far better and faster job than T1 heavies as long as the target is not orbiting. Ie approaching from 100km ;-) and as mentioned above they deal the damage immedietly not after a 1 minute stroll to the targets by the heavies.another plus is that the sentries dont aggro other spawns by flying close to the initial targeted spawn.
I tried Gardes and gave them up for dead!! they have a poor effective range (under 60km)and yet still cant track a target inside 25km. perhaps for anti BS use only they will be good.
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Sacred Badger
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: twit brent If your in a gang and camping a gate you can drop the drones on the gate then fly up to 165km away and pound anything near the gate with your drones.
Doesn't this aggro the gate-sentries so they shoot the drones? Or does the gate try to agress you in the ship even though you are out of range?
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Steppa
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:42:00 -
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I would really like to see small and medium sentry drones, as well as two versions for each size for each race. For instance, the Gallente would get small, medium and heavy versions of both blaster sentries and rail sentries.
This would open up a lot of tactical possibilities for their use in pvp combat.
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Insomnium
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:53:00 -
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My ideas on sentries were originally these big watchdogs that you just deploy and they'll instapop whatever little bugger comes your way. I was kinda hoping they'd be like your own personal Sentry Guns like the ones gaurding 'em gates and stations.
They are those deployable guns but without packing that much punch. I was hoping that I could sit in a belt and mine, deploy my sentries and not worry about having to defend myself (This belt would only be a cruiser or destroyer spawn + those lil friggies.) Instead I see that they fail to hit on many instances. Maybe I'm just lagging and not seeing the red show up on the rat's armor meter but I think they're just missing. I got DI lvl IV, Drones IV, DSharpshooting IV and Sentries lvl IV. Normally the solution I have is to drop off the sentries in my optimal, wait till em rats come to me, webbify and let em sentries pick em off. However it does go to show that Heavies are farrrr more superior in this role. So sentries... Anti-Cruiser/BS drones?
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