Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Torijace
Aliastra Gallente Federation
11
|
Posted - 2014.03.28 23:50:00 -
[1] - Quote
It's pretty common knowledge that 1 million isk today would buy 500k worth of goods a few years back. Some of that is caused by the recent changes in item build requirements but the vast majority of it IMO is just too much isk in the system. My idea is to remove isk from the system by having a tax on refining in isk. Does anybody else ideas on the best course to reduce inflation? |
X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
278
|
Posted - 2014.03.28 23:54:00 -
[2] - Quote
Torijace wrote:It's pretty common knowledge that 1 million isk today would buy 500k worth of goods a few years back. Some of that is caused by the recent changes in item build requirements but the vast majority of it IMO is just too much isk in the system. My idea is to remove isk from the system by having a tax on refining in isk. Does anybody else ideas on the best course to reduce inflation? So you want to make things cheaper by adding a large isk overhead to the creation of every manufactured good?
Please, tell me more of your plans. |
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Inter Vivos Trust Service
51
|
Posted - 2014.03.28 23:55:00 -
[3] - Quote
Aren't inflation rates around where CCP wants them? "I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."-á- Book of Reclaiming 22:13 |
Adunh Slavy
1352
|
Posted - 2014.03.29 00:50:00 -
[4] - Quote
The best way to reduce the money supply, is by making the creation of ISK, by players, its own unique activity, mainly shooting rats. Shoot a rat, you get ISK and nothing else. No minerals, no salvage, no LP, just ISK.
Pretty much every resource in the game requires some amount of time and effort to produce and collect. ISK is no different in this regard.
ISK will still be the most tradable commodity in the game, and will continue to have an inflating supply even under the above suggestion, though at a much reduced rate.
The supply will continue to inflate because CCP has given it special properties. It is the only common commodity used in trade, imposed by the market interface. It can be transported any where instantly at zero transaction cost and it can not be destroyed or looted from a ship.
If we could trade anything for anything else, using the market interface, ISK were 'physical' and had to be carried in ships, and could not be poofed instantly across the map, the inflation of supply would stop very quickly.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3248
|
Posted - 2014.03.29 02:12:00 -
[5] - Quote
Torijace wrote:It's pretty common knowledge that 1 million isk today would buy 500k worth of goods a few years back. Some of that is caused by the recent changes in item build requirements but the vast majority of it IMO is just too much isk in the system. My idea is to remove isk from the system by having a tax on refining in isk. Does anybody else ideas on the best course to reduce inflation?
Pretty much 100% of it is caused by changes to build requirements and/or changes to resource supply. Inflation as you're thinking of it either isn't a thing or if it is is so insignificant as to be drowned out by other effects, and so your opinion is wrong. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
stoicfaux
4318
|
Posted - 2014.03.29 03:00:00 -
[6] - Quote
Torijace wrote:It's pretty common knowledge that 1 million isk today would buy 500k worth of goods a few years back. Some of that is caused by the recent changes in item build requirements but the vast majority of it IMO is just too much isk in the system. My idea is to remove isk from the system by having a tax on refining in isk. Does anybody else ideas on the best course to reduce inflation? A tax on refining would have the opposite effect. If you read the dev blog: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/mineral-trade-in-the-wake-of-the-battle-of-b-r5rb-price-indices-february-2014/
Quote: In other news, all the other main price indices showed deflation in February. The Primary Producer Price Index dropped by 5.3%, which was mostly driven by moon materials and hybrid polymers. The Secondary Producer Price Index fell by 3.5%, where the biggest contributors where planetary commodities, salvage and Tech II construction components. Finally, the Consumer Price Index showed a deflation of 0.6%, with most categories showing a mild deflation. There were two main exceptions to the deflation in the CPI.
One was PLEX prices, which rose by only 1% but weighed a whopping 24% in the index. The other was Tech I ship prices, which rose by 3.8% due to the effect the battle of B-R5RB had on mineral prices.
(emphasis added)
Blowing a ship up may be considered the "ultimate" tax on refining. Since a 90%+ tax on "refining" lead to inflation, I give the OP a -1.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
|
Dealth Striker
Striker Ltd
26
|
Posted - 2014.03.29 05:02:00 -
[7] - Quote
mynnna wrote:
Pretty much 100% of it is caused by changes to build requirements and/or changes to resource supply.
Talk about being wrong - wow!
Striker Out!! |
Adunh Slavy
1352
|
Posted - 2014.03.30 00:40:00 -
[8] - Quote
Dealth Striker wrote:mynnna wrote:
Pretty much 100% of it is caused by changes to build requirements and/or changes to resource supply.
Talk about being wrong - wow!
The only thing mynnna is wrong about is saying "100%", what's the real percent? Who knows.
Most prices have remained rather stable compared to the inflation of the money supply. There is ceratinly price inflation in some secotrs of Eve, but for the most part, productivity appears to have maintained enough of a growth rate to keep price inflation moderate, in most of the Eve economy. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
243
|
Posted - 2014.03.30 02:22:00 -
[9] - Quote
Inflation is a tough word meaning far different things to different people
Sticking to what you describe though the 1 million is the new 500 million which is more than a basket of goods but "what's a lot to people" (I"d prefer something like changes in the "median isk/hr over a 3 hour session of players engaged in trying to make isk")
but, without arguing definitions,
the "half lifing" of "value to Ms. Jones" as described above tends to reduce the impact of vast fortunes.
While, active players can keep their fortunes intact, and perhaps having all of their fortune in plex or characters has been an easy way to do that while going inactive in the past, there are still a lot of players going inactive or just not caring about increasing assets for months on end.
I've been innactive.. probably will stay that way. I got lazy and didn't move my isk into PLEX.. this time around.. I probably would put 50 billion isk into plex (i'm not that isk "wealhty" but thats still enough to buy ships if I came back in a year or two... )
Anway.. I"m getting longer than I need to.
Inflation helps newer players coming to the game quickly build fortunes that are closer to the assets of long time player who stopped really caring about increasing their fortunes.
It just softens the disparity over time.
The primary goal though is a pschological MMO inflation goal .. players have enough "suspension of belief" to enjoy making more nominal isk with a newly introduced PVE type than they did with past PVE. It just feels better to learn or try something thats going to "pay better" ... more of a carrot.. more of a MMO sense of accomplishment..... ..... that's the prime benefit and.... as I said, we're adults and know better but enjoy it anyway.... it is a fantasy game we're playing.
. |
Rthor
Smugglers Inc.
9
|
Posted - 2014.03.30 03:18:00 -
[10] - Quote
Actually something may have been done by CCP to start inflation. It is pretty obvious. I may be wrong if somebody really really big is manipulating ice. Some people around this forum probably got frostbite trying to manipulate ice.
I think that nobody is capable of manipulating ice at this point.
The chart of nitropes plus some other things show pretty impressive strength and it is pulling a bunch of ice derivatives steadily with it. The ice move is for real.
Don't sell your ice but ice derivatives will do even better for now. |
|
TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
202
|
Posted - 2014.03.30 04:33:00 -
[11] - Quote
Maybe you should watch the economy talk from CCP @ fanfest 2013, and then edit your op... |
Rthor
Smugglers Inc.
9
|
Posted - 2014.03.30 04:40:00 -
[12] - Quote
TheSmokingHertog wrote:Maybe you should watch the economy talk from CCP @ fanfest 2013, and then edit your op...
Are you talking to me?
|
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1354
|
Posted - 2014.03.30 06:45:00 -
[13] - Quote
My :tinfoil: theory is that CCP is quite happy with the current rate of inflation - at this point new players have to compete with 10 years of accumulated wealth and having easily accessible high income sources and a high rate of inflation levels the playing field at least somewhat.
|
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
194
|
Posted - 2014.03.30 12:51:00 -
[14] - Quote
Ban people complaining about PLEX prices/inflation/etc. .
|
Cody Rasr
Goat Watch Inc. Look at all them herds
4
|
Posted - 2014.04.01 02:31:00 -
[15] - Quote
TheSmokingHertog wrote:Maybe you should watch the economy talk from CCP @ fanfest 2013, and then edit your op...
This explains that inflation is not an issue in EVE. They prove that you can by a more efficient ship now with 100 mill isk compared to what 100 mill isk would have got you some years ago. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3273
|
Posted - 2014.04.01 03:47:00 -
[16] - Quote
Rthor wrote:Actually something may have been done by CCP to start inflation. It is pretty obvious. I may be wrong if somebody really really big is manipulating ice. Some people around this forum probably got frostbite trying to manipulate ice.
I think that nobody is capable of manipulating ice at this point.
The chart of nitropes plus some other things show pretty impressive strength and it is pulling a bunch of ice derivatives steadily with it. The ice move is for real.
Don't sell your ice but ice derivatives will do even better for now.
Manipulation != inflation. That said, yes, someone is manipulating ice, but it ain't CCP. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Dealth Striker
Striker Ltd
29
|
Posted - 2014.04.01 03:59:00 -
[17] - Quote
Adunh Slavy wrote:Dealth Striker wrote:mynnna wrote:
Pretty much 100% of it is caused by changes to build requirements and/or changes to resource supply.
Talk about being wrong - wow! The only thing mynnna is wrong about is saying "100%", what's the real percent? Who knows. Most prices have remained rather stable compared to the inflation of the money supply. There is ceratinly price inflation in some secotrs of Eve, but for the most part, productivity appears to have maintained enough of a growth rate to keep price inflation moderate, in most of the Eve economy.
I for one buy and trade in all areas of the market and can say that there are a lot of other factors affecting prices.
Ps. you notice that a lot of the heavyweight industrialists are not weighing in on this topic?
Striker Out!! |
Adunh Slavy
1352
|
Posted - 2014.04.01 09:13:00 -
[18] - Quote
Dealth Striker wrote: Ps. you notice that a lot of the heavyweight industrialists are not weighing in on this topic?
So? My views to not require the support of an ad populum fallacy. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2980
|
Posted - 2014.04.01 11:02:00 -
[19] - Quote
I'm not really sure how people can continue to state that inflation is an issue when CCP have literally just posted the indices which shows deflation almost entirely across the board (with the exception being the mineral index). The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Rthor
Smugglers Inc.
9
|
Posted - 2014.04.01 12:19:00 -
[20] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:I'm not really sure how people can continue to state that inflation is an issue when CCP have literally just posted the indices which shows deflation almost entirely across the board (with the exception being the mineral index).
CCP also said that they want ice to be like oil, to be something worth fighting over or something to that effect. Well ice can only become more important if its price goes up, and if ice price goes up then a lot of other things will go up, too. So yes there is not much inflation at the moment and there has not been but CCP's goal of making ice more important will increase inflation. And ice has been steadily on fire in a world of, predominantly, deflation or lack of inflation. Hence it is an issue worth discussing whether this move in ice price indicates arrival of some inflation actually. |
|
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2987
|
Posted - 2014.04.01 12:47:00 -
[21] - Quote
Rthor wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:I'm not really sure how people can continue to state that inflation is an issue when CCP have literally just posted the indices which shows deflation almost entirely across the board (with the exception being the mineral index). CCP also said that they want ice to be like oil, to be something worth fighting over or something to that effect. Well ice can only become more important if its price goes up, and if ice price goes up then a lot of other things will go up, too. So yes there is not much inflation at the moment and there has not been but CCP's goal of making ice more important will increase inflation. And ice has been steadily on fire in a world of, predominantly, deflation or lack of inflation. Hence it is an issue worth discussing whether this move in ice price indicates arrival of some inflation actually. Whether or not they plan to in the future is fairly beside the point. Ice has been steadily increasing in price and yet all but one of the indices are down. The crowd that seems to think that inflation is a problem are not basing it off of future speculation, they are basing it off of the price of individual ships increasing in value following the balance. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Rthor
Smugglers Inc.
9
|
Posted - 2014.04.01 13:01:00 -
[22] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Rthor wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:I'm not really sure how people can continue to state that inflation is an issue when CCP have literally just posted the indices which shows deflation almost entirely across the board (with the exception being the mineral index). CCP also said that they want ice to be like oil, to be something worth fighting over or something to that effect. Well ice can only become more important if its price goes up, and if ice price goes up then a lot of other things will go up, too. So yes there is not much inflation at the moment and there has not been but CCP's goal of making ice more important will increase inflation. And ice has been steadily on fire in a world of, predominantly, deflation or lack of inflation. Hence it is an issue worth discussing whether this move in ice price indicates arrival of some inflation actually. Whether or not they plan to in the future is fairly beside the point. Ice has been steadily increasing in price and yet all but one of the indices are down. The crowd that seems to think that inflation is a problem are not basing it off of future speculation, they are basing it off of the price of individual ships increasing in value following the balance.
Individual ship price increases do not inflation make. But a spike in ice prices consequences larger may have. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
336
|
Posted - 2014.04.01 13:05:00 -
[23] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:I'm not really sure how people can continue to state that inflation is an issue when CCP have literally just posted the indices which shows deflation almost entirely across the board (with the exception being the mineral index). It's just another bandwagon. Many people jumped on it and called out CCP on supposedly out of control inflation. They had no justification or evidence. All they had was innacurate and subjective recollections of past pricing, a flawed understanding of sinks vs faucets, poor grasp of the impact of recent balance changes and a collective dislike for people that were making "too much money" from the twin evils of Incursioning and FW.
Given that their historical viewpoint was based on nothing more than rumour, ignorance and prejudice, what makes you think that they would revise their viewpoint when better information became available? Those people are just as ignorant and full of impotent rage now as they were before. The people haven't changed and so the problem hasn't changed.
Rthor wrote:CCP also said that they want ice to be like oil, to be something worth fighting over or something to that effect. Well ice can only become more important if its price goes up, and if ice price goes up then a lot of other things will go up, too. So yes there is not much inflation at the moment and there has not been but CCP's goal of making ice more important will increase inflation. And ice has been steadily on fire in a world of, predominantly, deflation or lack of inflation. Hence it is an issue worth discussing whether this move in ice price indicates arrival of some inflation actually. I agree, that is certainly worth discussing.
The question I would ask is if the increase in value of ice will be a cause or effect in all this. Certainly if ice prices go up due to constrained supply and growing demand it will become more important and may drive additional conflict, but is that the only way this can work? Will ice become more important for other reasons aside from the market price?
Also, how wide will be the inflationary impact of increasing ice prices? Certainly it will have more impact that just increasing the price of one commodity in a index basket, but how much more? Ice prices have been heading upwards for a while now and yet the numbers from our economists show widespread deflation, is the impact of ice less than many believe or is something else cancelling out the impact of ice? |
Rthor
Smugglers Inc.
9
|
Posted - 2014.04.01 16:03:00 -
[24] - Quote
mynnna wrote:Rthor wrote:Actually something may have been done by CCP to start inflation. It is pretty obvious. I may be wrong if somebody really really big is manipulating ice. Some people around this forum probably got frostbite trying to manipulate ice.
I think that nobody is capable of manipulating ice at this point.
The chart of nitropes plus some other things show pretty impressive strength and it is pulling a bunch of ice derivatives steadily with it. The ice move is for real.
Don't sell your ice but ice derivatives will do even better for now. Manipulation != inflation. That said, yes, someone is manipulating ice, but it ain't CCP.
If you are in charge of it then surely you can take the ice market down...so why don't you? Or maybe you are not in charge of this move. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5325
|
Posted - 2014.04.02 14:32:00 -
[25] - Quote
Bad Bobby wrote:
The question I would ask is if the increase in value of ice will be a cause or effect in all this. Certainly if ice prices go up due to constrained supply and growing demand it will become more important and may drive additional conflict, but is that the only way this can work? Will ice become more important for other reasons aside from the market price?
Also, how wide will be the inflationary impact of increasing ice prices? Certainly it will have more impact than just increasing the price of one commodity in an index basket, but how much more? Ice prices have been heading upwards for a while now and yet the numbers from our economists show widespread deflation, is the impact of ice less than many believe or is something else cancelling out the impact of ice?
Ice is used as a fuel and acts "like" a fuel. That is, look at what happens in RL when fuel price rises: the ramification are complex and wide and also dependant on a country's economy.
I.e. a country with lots of rail transport will suffer less than a country where trucks provide the most logistics.
But in EvE, fuel is a bit less at the foundation of everything, all those sectors not relying on it will be less affected. In example, T1 production does not really require anything but initial BPO research (usually done years ago, so POS fuel is a non factor).
But now consider the same industry done outside of hi sec: you'll possibly get fuel derived costs and as they rise it becomes more and more competitive to just do it in hi sec. That's just one of thousands reasons I always said hi sec should not exist at all, it's a powerful economy distortion factor (not counting ships PvP!)
Now, consider this: back at the time I was making freighters and all sorts of large-ish stuff that may affect markets without a need for an ounce of fuel. That's why you see indexes acting up even in counter-intuitive ways.
What's going on for real?
As you know I am fairly "knee deep" into ices. Only one shows true demand outpacing offer and even that one is being abandoned. I have witnessed the same multiboxers stopping mining ice exactly right now that it'd be more profitable. I have seen my "home ice system" going from 150 in local (pre spawn belts) down to 70+ at beginning of spawned ice belts down to 35 in local even now that ice brings in profits. There are 2 main reasons for this, evident to anyone who "lives ice" most days. But I'll leave them to be found as exercise to the reader, as I don't want to give Mynna or others the idea I actually (also) perform fundamental analysis on the markets Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5325
|
Posted - 2014.04.02 14:33:00 -
[26] - Quote
Rthor wrote:mynnna wrote:Rthor wrote:Actually something may have been done by CCP to start inflation. It is pretty obvious. I may be wrong if somebody really really big is manipulating ice. Some people around this forum probably got frostbite trying to manipulate ice.
I think that nobody is capable of manipulating ice at this point.
The chart of nitropes plus some other things show pretty impressive strength and it is pulling a bunch of ice derivatives steadily with it. The ice move is for real.
Don't sell your ice but ice derivatives will do even better for now. Manipulation != inflation. That said, yes, someone is manipulating ice, but it ain't CCP. If you are in charge of it then surely you can take the ice market down...so why don't you? Or maybe you are not in charge of this move.
Don't ask yourself who, but how and why
Why such market may even be manipulated? Here, I have just given you an huge hint. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3290
|
Posted - 2014.04.02 18:39:00 -
[27] - Quote
Rthor wrote:mynnna wrote:Rthor wrote:Actually something may have been done by CCP to start inflation. It is pretty obvious. I may be wrong if somebody really really big is manipulating ice. Some people around this forum probably got frostbite trying to manipulate ice.
I think that nobody is capable of manipulating ice at this point.
The chart of nitropes plus some other things show pretty impressive strength and it is pulling a bunch of ice derivatives steadily with it. The ice move is for real.
Don't sell your ice but ice derivatives will do even better for now. Manipulation != inflation. That said, yes, someone is manipulating ice, but it ain't CCP. If you are in charge of it then surely you can take the ice market down...so why don't you? Or maybe you are not in charge of this move.
Not in charge, never said I was. It's an associate of mine.
That said, two reasons exist not to take it down instead. Well, three, really... Nah, actually four.
- Taking it down is much harder to do because it would entail working against natural market motion instead of with it.
- Taking it down is both harder and riskier to realize a profit from. If short sells were a thing, that'd be another matter.
- It just so happens that CFC space is home to the entire nullsec supply of nitropes bearing ices.
- Tears.
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5325
|
Posted - 2014.04.02 18:57:00 -
[28] - Quote
mynnna wrote: It just so happens that CFC space is home to the entire nullsec supply of nitropes bearing ices.
This is the main reason (and one I did not tell in my posts above) why I am usually opposed to blind null sec buffs and improvements. Because sov is badly designed and thus it's possible for one organization to take control and form a self cartel on a key resource.
(Edit: read it well, I am not blaming you, you are really playing the game by its rules. THOSE are flawed not you)
First it was R64 then Technetium now nitrogen isotopes. You guys (and those who came before you) are GREAT at having earned all that space and are GREAT at manipulating everything and everyone (CSM and who knows who else) into giving you preferred access to the best resources.
But is it good for EvE, when a lone organization can perform a positive feedback process where they become more and more powerful? Positive feedbacks are not bad just for class A hi-fi amplifiers, they are also detrimental to MMOs long term health.
Hi sec noobs are just that: a fragmented and thus powerless bunch of players who can't harm the game because they don't steer all as one, they aren't coordinated to focus and hit like an hammer. You can find the 27B Raven dude but he's irrelevant, which for a MMO is not so bad.
On the other side there are the mega corps like yours that not only get the (deserved) prize for winning the game but also get mechanics that further self-fuel and amplify your power making it harder and discouraging for new "conquerors" to join the game.
This is the "wealth and power divide" that forms the "established elite" that has brought so bad to many MMOs. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Adunh Slavy
1352
|
Posted - 2014.04.02 21:46:00 -
[29] - Quote
Rthor wrote: CCP also said that they want ice to be like oil, to be something worth fighting over or something to that effect. Well ice can only become more important if its price goes up, and if ice price goes up then a lot of other things will go up, too. So yes there is not much inflation at the moment and there has not been but CCP's goal of making ice more important will increase inflation. And ice has been steadily on fire in a world of, predominantly, deflation or lack of inflation. Hence it is an issue worth discussing whether this move in ice price indicates arrival of some inflation actually
An increasing price of ice, due to reduced supply, or increased demand because of game mechanics, is not "inflation", much less "price inflation", which is the more common (though inaccurate) use of the term inflation.
How high the price could go, could be attributed to inflation however.
Enjoy the confusion. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Rthor
Smugglers Inc.
9
|
Posted - 2014.04.03 01:13:00 -
[30] - Quote
mynnna wrote:Rthor wrote:mynnna wrote:Rthor wrote:Actually something may have been done by CCP to start inflation. It is pretty obvious. I may be wrong if somebody really really big is manipulating ice. Some people around this forum probably got frostbite trying to manipulate ice.
I think that nobody is capable of manipulating ice at this point.
The chart of nitropes plus some other things show pretty impressive strength and it is pulling a bunch of ice derivatives steadily with it. The ice move is for real.
Don't sell your ice but ice derivatives will do even better for now. Manipulation != inflation. That said, yes, someone is manipulating ice, but it ain't CCP. If you are in charge of it then surely you can take the ice market down...so why don't you? Or maybe you are not in charge of this move. Not in charge, never said I was. It's an associate of mine. That said, two reasons exist not to take it down instead. Well, three, really... Nah, actually four.
- Taking it down is much harder to do because it would entail working against natural market motion instead of with it.
- Taking it down is both harder and riskier to realize a profit from. If short sells were a thing, that'd be another matter.
- It just so happens that CFC space is home to the entire nullsec supply of nitropes bearing ices.
- Tears.
I am on the same side, sort of. Why would you take the trade down if you have wind in your back? But if you guys would do that for some reason that would be great.
But actually I do not think that the trade is in nitropes. I do think that they will punch through 1000 and then run. But it is too risky for me to bet on that because you guys can dump your nitropes on anybody.
If I am getting the summer expansion changes correctly then you will see a compression of racial ice prices differential because you will need ice to refine ores in hi sec. So I am actually buying up cheapest ices over time as I think that this will take 6 months to play out. |
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |