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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
1643
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Posted - 2014.03.31 12:48:00 -
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Setsune Rin wrote:all of these changes require touching the POS code
aka not going to happen...ever....
^^ Pretty much... in for a penny, in for a Pound -- they might as well change it all while they are at it.
Bugs, glitches... free moon mins... we wouldn't want that to happen again.
... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
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Ulasdair Macauselan
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.03.31 13:21:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:I have a better idea... they should "decay", and if they're offline for a certain period of time, let's say 45 or 60 days, you can access them and use them yourself, all you have to do is put fuel in, and it's yours. It automatically changes corps and so on. That would be cool, eh? No, because if you really want that moon you should have to take it. It isn't hard to wardec someone and then bring in some high dps battleships (torp ravens work great) and grind it down. Remember this tower is offline and undefended.
And if the owner of the POS "wanted that POS" he should fuel it and keep it active, eh?
Of course "offline and undefended" POS should be universally unanchorable, like any abandoned sitting-in-space asset should be.
No, it's not particularly hard to blow it up, but if it's abandoned (i.e. offline, non-functional = abandoned) then sorry, it's fair game for the vultures of space to snag it.
Lazy POS owners will be the only ones against such a change, because they all want the safest easiest activity-free isk possible. Oops, forgot to fuel my free-moon-mins POS, lolz, it's ok it's offline cause no one is going to come blow it up.
Lame mechanic is lame. |
Ulasdair Macauselan
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.03.31 13:24:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Then take it from me, the mechanics are there to do so. Why should you be handed stuff for free just because your too lazy to spend the 50m isk and the time it takes to destroy a POS? Why should what I want to do be removed simply because you disagree with it? People like you want to be handed everything for free like some kind of benefits system. Take action and do things for yourself, and if you're too lazy to do that then lose out. It's that simple.
Conversely, why should YOUR abandoned, inactive, unfuelled, offline itme be safe from theft sitting all alone, undefended by you, in space?
You already get free moon minerals without doing any actual work beyond unloading it.
Sorry, lazy players like you defending poorly thought out mechanics are part of why change, real positive change, is so hard to get.
Offline, inactive and you're not in-space defending it? Sorry, it should be unanchorable by anyone.
Next time, keep your POS fueled and active. |
Salvos Rhoska
938
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Posted - 2014.03.31 13:54:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Why should you be handed stuff for free just because your too lazy to spend the 50m isk and the time it takes to destroy a POS? Why should what I want to do be removed simply because you disagree with it? People like you want to be handed everything for free like some kind of benefits system. Take action and do things for yourself, and if you're too lazy to do that then lose out. It's that simple.
You are the one who expects to be able to lazily keep his POS up for free and unfueled in high-sec for weeks on end :D
Some introspection, please.
In any other sector of space, it would have been obliterated already and someone else actually using the slot actively.
Use it, or lose it. ------------ |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2970
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:05:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:True, but what about the ones that are?
And what about exploiting the system in places other than highsec simply as a "towel on a sunlounger"?
Im not trying to start an argument here, Id like to know your opinion on the second, and the first just bugs me. My opinion is that there is already a method to get rid of them. Someone put the effort, time and isk into setting up their POS, and you need to spend effort time and isk to remove it. It really doesn't matter the degree to which they use it. Then I would like an item that is a POS tower filled with concrete like a bollard that I can start deploying all over just to block everyone's use of moons I think are pretty :) That item exists. It's called a control tower. It blocks off moons until players dismantle it. Feel free to plant as many down as you like. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
2875
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:09:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: Im not trying to start an argument here, Id like to know your opinion on the second, and the first just bugs me.
My opinion is that there is already a method to get rid of them. Someone put the effort, time and isk into setting up their POS, and you need to spend effort time and isk to remove it. It really doesn't matter the degree to which they use it.[/quote]Then I would like an item that is a POS tower filled with concrete like a bollard that I can start deploying all over just to block everyone's use of moons I think are pretty :)[/quote]That item exists. It's called a control tower. It blocks off moons until players dismantle it. Feel free to plant as many down as you like.[/quote]
So should the same rationale not be applied to the tower's modules too?
And what is an inactive tower doing that its preventing another being set up?
Seriously dude, they make no logical sense and the POS overhaul wont be a moment too soon coming. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2970
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:12:00 -
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Ulasdair Macauselan wrote:And if the owner of the POS "wanted that POS" he should fuel it and keep it active, eh?
Of course "offline and undefended" POS should be universally unanchorable, like any abandoned sitting-in-space asset should be. No other anchored structure can be unanchored universally. Why should it have to be online to be kept? Being online just means it has a shield making it harder to take down. An offline POS should still take more than ZERO effort to remove, and it does. It takes 50m and a variable amount of time in a single go.
Ulasdair Macauselan wrote:Conversely, why should YOUR abandoned, inactive, unfuelled, offline itme be safe from theft sitting all alone, undefended by you, in space?
You already get free moon minerals without doing any actual work beyond unloading it.
Sorry, lazy players like you defending poorly thought out mechanics are part of why change, real positive change, is so hard to get.
Offline, inactive and you're not in-space defending it? Sorry, it should be unanchorable by anyone.
Next time, keep your POS fueled and active. It's not safe from theft. It's not even remotely safe from theft. It's just not "Free to steal" which is what you want. You want to put in no effort and get a payout. Tough luck.
And no high sec POS gets free moon minerals. Any POS that gets free moon minerals has to be online and in a section of space that requires no wardecs. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2970
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:16:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:You are the one who expects to be able to lazily keep his POS up for free and unfueled in high-sec for weeks on end :D
Some introspection, please.
In any other sector of space, it would have been obliterated already and someone else actually using the slot actively.
Use it, or lose it. I had to put in the effort to get it there in the first place. Why should you be able to just come along and undo all of that for absolutely nothing?
If you don't like it, you are free to wardec it and take the space. By all means proceed to do that. But you can;t just go stomping along and taking away other peoples things just because in YOUR opinion they don't use them enough.
And no, it's not "use it or lose it". It's "take it or **** off". That's unlikely to change based on the fact that this exact same thing has been asked for for years on end. I'm pretty sure before I entirely understood the mechanics that I myself have asked for this. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Salvos Rhoska
939
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:20:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: had to put in the effort to get it there in the first place. Why should you be able to just come along and undo all of that for absolutely nothing?
I haven't said for nothing. I don't agree with OP's idea of just scooping it into cargo. Nice attempt at misrepresentation though!
I solicited and agreed with the notion of making attacking them issue a suspect flag.
You still have to blow the thing up, as usual. ------------ |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2970
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:25:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:I haven't said for nothing. I don't agree with OP's idea of just scooping it into cargo.
I solicited and agreed with the notion of making attacking them issue a suspect flag.
You still have to blow the thing up, as usual. Which is effectively nothing, since an offline POS is a trivial kill. The only difference with a suspect flag is that it would mean that people would bait other into attacking offline POSes then gank them, and it would lead to the "foot in the door" effect of making the change from suspect flag to limited engagement less of an argument.
Also, how long would it need to be offline? If someone had an issue logging on and their POS dropped offline would it be instantly attackable? If it's on a time like 2 weeks or something, whats to stop us onlining it for 5 minutes every couple of weeks?
It has to be said though, are you really arguing against a 50m payment to kill a POS? How poverty stricken are you? Just pay the bill and blow it up. If you can't afford that, you can't afford to plonk your own POS down anyway. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
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Salvos Rhoska
940
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:33:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: The only difference with a suspect flag is that it would mean that people would bait other into attacking offline POSes then gank them, and it would lead to the "foot in the door" effect of making the change from suspect flag to limited engagement less of an argument.
Sounds good to me!
Lucas Kell wrote:Also, how long would it need to be offline? If someone had an issue logging on and their POS dropped offline would it be instantly attackable? If it's on a time like 2 weeks or something, whats to stop us onlining it for 5 minutes every couple of weeks? Attacking it being changed to a suspect flagging doesn't affect that one bit. Are you having an imaginary discussion with fictional people that have said anything to this effect?
Lucas Kell wrote: It has to be said though, are you really arguing against a 50m payment to kill a POS? How poverty stricken are you? Just pay the bill and blow it up. If you can't afford that, you can't afford to plonk your own POS down anyway. Ooooh! Look who deliberately ignored the wardec timer vs sec status hit and imminent CONCORDoken?!
The thing you haven't realised yet, Lucas, about forum discussion, and one I would warn you about, is that people aren't as stupid as you think they are. Dishonesty by means of deliberate omission, is noted and reflects poorly on you.
Funny to hear carebear arguments from you though. Maybe you should just haul your ass back out of null to protect your high-sec assets you keep unused and unfueled for weeks on end?
Changing attacking POS to suspect flag sounds great to me. ------------ |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2970
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:44:00 -
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[quote=Ramona McCandless]So should the same rationale not be applied to the tower's modules too?
And what is an inactive tower doing that its preventing another being set up?
Seriously dude, they make no logical sense and the POS overhaul wont be a moment too soon coming./quote]I'm not really sure what you mean by this one. Towers are one per moon, online or offline, by design. The idea is to make it so people have to attack each other for them. If you happen to find an empty one and put a tower down, good for you. If that then sits there unused for a while, it should just go back to being empty just so that people who are too risk averse to wardec an inactive corp can jump into it's place.
I agree the POS overhaul is very much needed, but I don't suppose the mechanics of where a POS can go and how to remove it will change much. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2518
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:45:00 -
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It will prove interesting if CCP has the guts to change the game mechanics by June so that a dead POS can be removed without a wardec.
If they don't:
1. June release introduces changes to compression array, where ore compression is now a big important deal in high sec. 2. goons themselves or their pets RvB to immediately wardec all small corps in any vicinity to Jita, Amarr, whatever major trade hub they feel like. 3. All POS's that can be easily destroyed are. 4. goons / RvB put up a ton of small pos's in their place, but don't fire them up, effectively dead-zoning the moon. 5. goons / RvB have with this move now effectively choked off the ability to compress ore for tons of people. 6. goons do fire up a few POS's of their own, in select areas, to support their own ore compression abilities. 7. goons now control the compressed ore market in high sec, as they are one of the few people able to actually buy ore and compress it.
They might even start now. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2970
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:49:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Sounds good to me! Of course it does, because you are risk averse and effort averse.
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Attacking it being changed to a suspect flagging doesn't affect that one bit. Are you having an imaginary discussion with fictional people that have said anything to this effect? Uhhh no, your suggestion is to make an offline POS attackable without concord intervention right? So at what point would you say it's abandoned? Or do you mean attack every POS without concord intervention, online or offline?
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ooooh! Look who deliberately ignored the wardec timer vs sec status hit and imminent CONCORDoken?!
The thing you haven't realised yet, Lucas, about forum discussion, and one I would warn you about, is that people aren't as stupid as you think they are. Dishonesty by means of deliberate omission, is noted and reflects poorly on you.
Funny to hear carebear arguments from you though. Maybe you should just haul your ass back out of null to protect your high-sec assets you keep unused and unfueled for weeks on end?
Changing attacking POS to suspect flag sounds great to me. lol, once again you're doing that thing you like to do. You know where you totally misrepresent what people say then get all high and mighty, acting like your some genius. Next you'll tell us all you are leaving, then keep coming back right? Or is this going to be the one where you just keep circling round the same bullshit argument.
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Salvos Rhoska
940
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:49:00 -
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Dinsdale aint tinhat on this one.
Its what I would do.
High-sec compression facilities are gonna be BIG for purposes of getting high-sec ore/ice back to null.
I hope/wish null gets more active at mining at its own belts, but really, why not still do it in high-sec, providing you can compress it for shipment downstream. ------------ |
Salvos Rhoska
940
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:52:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Of course it does, because you are risk averse and effort averse. Uhm no. YOU are risk averse. YOU are effort averse. YOU are the one who wants to hold his unfueled and unused POS for weeks on end.
Lucas Kell wrote:Uhhh no, your suggestion is to make an offline POS attackable without concord intervention right? So at what point would you say it's abandoned? Or do you mean attack every POS without concord intervention, online or offline? Suspect flag. No CONCORD intervention. Are you even reading the thread?
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ooooh! Look who deliberately ignored the wardec timer vs sec status hit and imminent CONCORDoken?!
The thing you haven't realised yet, Lucas, about forum discussion, and one I would warn you about, is that people aren't as stupid as you think they are. Dishonesty by means of deliberate omission, is noted and reflects poorly on you.
[quote=Lucas Kell]lol, once again you're doing that thing you like to do. You know where you totally misrepresent what people say then get all high and mighty, acting like your some genius. Next you'll tell us all you are leaving, then keep coming back right? Or is this going to be the one where you just keep circling round the same bullshit argument.
HURDDURRBURR? ------------ |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2970
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:52:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:It will prove interesting if CCP has the guts to change the game mechanics by June so that a dead POS can be removed without a wardec.
If they don't:
1. June release introduces changes to compression array, where ore compression is now a big important deal in high sec. 2. goons themselves or their pets RvB to immediately wardec all small corps in any vicinity to Jita, Amarr, whatever major trade hub they feel like. 3. All POS's that can be easily destroyed are. 4. goons / RvB put up a ton of small pos's in their place, but don't fire them up, effectively dead-zoning the moon. 5. goons / RvB have with this move now effectively choked off the ability to compress ore for tons of people. 6. goons do fire up a few POS's of their own, in select areas, to support their own ore compression abilities. 7. goons now control the compressed ore market in high sec, as they are one of the few people able to actually buy ore and compress it.
They might even start now. So surely if this happened, one of the many corps with goons and RvB wardecced could just show up and blitz the small POS in a matter of minutes... I'm sure Gevlon would go on some huge rampage to cleanse highsec.
Larger groups will control the compressed or market regardless. I mean for starters, alts exist, and secondly the rest of you are too busy crying about how you want everything to be made super easy for you because you heart highsec to actually put the graft in. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2971
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:56:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Suspect flag. No CONCORD intervention. Are you even reading the thread? Yes, I am, this is about "Unanchoring Dead POS's", note "Dead POS's". So you are saying it should be a suspect thing to attack any POS? That could be amazing. I mean just think of the amount of trolling I can do by specifically targeting high sec industrial POSes while their owners are in bed. They wake up and their manufacturing and research runs have all been cancelled when their POS got reinforced. And you think that would help highsec industrialists?
Salvos Rhoska wrote:HURDDURRBURR? Grow up kiddo.
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Have you no intellectual integrity whatsoever? I know you are a stonewaller by trade for certain interests, but do you have to make it so GODDAM OBVIOUS? I'd fire you immediately. You just make your own represented and vested position look bad without me even having to lift a finger. I love how you added this to make yourself look like even more of a moron (if that's possible with you turning into a child and screaming in just about every thread you post in) by further assuming that adding your changes wouldn't help null groups more than high sec groups. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20369
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:57:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Uhm no. Uhm. Yes. What you want already exists. it's called a wardec. You're arguing that you shouldn't need one GÇö that you should be able to kill a POS at any time with no real room for opposition and without having to wait for it. Now, there's an argument to be made there: perhaps that's too much to ask for if it's just an old abandoned POSGǪ but then we have to formalise what actually counts as GÇ£an old abandoned POSGÇ¥.
Quote:Suspect flag. No CONCORD intervention. Are you even reading the thread? You didn't answer his question. At what point would it be considered abandoned? Or is that not even a consideration and they can always be attacked without intervention regardless of their state?
So you can't really express why wardecs aren't enough for what you want, then. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
2877
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:57:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:It will prove interesting if CCP has the guts to change the game mechanics by June so that a dead POS can be removed without a wardec.
If they don't:
1. June release introduces changes to compression array, where ore compression is now a big important deal in high sec. 2. goons themselves or their pets RvB to immediately wardec all small corps in any vicinity to Jita, Amarr, whatever major trade hub they feel like. 3. All POS's that can be easily destroyed are. 4. goons / RvB put up a ton of small pos's in their place, but don't fire them up, effectively dead-zoning the moon. 5. goons / RvB have with this move now effectively choked off the ability to compress ore for tons of people. 6. goons do fire up a few POS's of their own, in select areas, to support their own ore compression abilities. 7. goons now control the compressed ore market in high sec, as they are one of the few people able to actually buy ore and compress it.
They might even start now.
Good *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx |
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Salvos Rhoska
941
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Posted - 2014.03.31 15:00:00 -
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Lol Tippia/Lucas in immediate damage control mode for their employers.
HAHAHAHAHA
Baited. Proved the plans correct. Null gonna take all POS near ice and hubs for compression purposes. Doesn't take a genius to anticipate that. Its the smart and obvious thing to do.
Fire these two. They just make you look bad. They do your interests a huge disservice and actually end up raising antipathy rather than spinning it so that there is less resistance. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
2877
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Posted - 2014.03.31 15:01:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I'm not really sure what you mean by this one. Towers are one per moon, online or offline, by design. The idea is to make it so people have to attack each other for them.
yes, but if it belongs to an empty inactive corp and its been out of fuel for three years, thats not about to drive much conflict.
And by design of arbitrarily reducing the amount of POSes in the system, even though there is no real reason theore couldnt be a POS at the LaGrange and Nadir points of the moon without any chance of them going anywhere near each other.
Im just picking at the lack of lore and the poor construction.
It dont mean nuthin *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
2877
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Posted - 2014.03.31 15:02:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: High-sec compression facilities are gonna be BIG for purposes of getting high-sec ore/ice back to null.
Why wouldnt you just produce it in null in the first place? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20369
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Posted - 2014.03.31 15:03:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lol Tippia/Lucas in immediate damage control mode for their employers.
HAHAHAHAHA
Baited. So you can't answer a simple question and have to desperately stonewall and throw in every nonsensical fabrication you can think in the hopes that the topic will change.
Again: at what point would it be considered abandoned? Or is that not even a consideration and they can always be attacked without intervention regardless of their state? Or can everything actually just be solved with the existing wardec mechanics?
Ramona McCandless wrote:Why wouldnt you just produce it in null in the first place? Because it's available in large volume for less cost (opportunity or otherwise) in highsec. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Salvos Rhoska
941
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Posted - 2014.03.31 15:06:00 -
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Are you claiming null has no interest or advantage in taking ice system and hub POS for purposes of compression of ice/ore back to null? ------------ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20369
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Posted - 2014.03.31 15:07:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:[irrelevant and off-topic strawman] Again: at what point would it be considered abandoned? Or is that not even a consideration and they can always be attacked without intervention regardless of their state? Or can everything actually just be solved with the existing wardec mechanics? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Salvos Rhoska
941
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Posted - 2014.03.31 15:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Are you claiming null has no interest or advantage in taking ice system and hub POS for purposes of compression of ice/ore back to null? Ignored question and non-sequitor
You suck at your job, Tippia. ------------ |
Harrison Tato
Barringtons Research The Star harvesters of indeterminate Tenacity
43
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Posted - 2014.03.31 15:10:00 -
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I knew there were really only 5 players posting in GD! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20369
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Posted - 2014.03.31 15:10:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:[irrelevant and off-topic strawman] Again: at what point would it be considered abandoned? Or is that not even a consideration and they can always be attacked without intervention regardless of their state? Or can everything actually just be solved with the existing wardec mechanics?
If you want me to answer a question, give me a reason to. Don't just make up some nonsense position that has nothing to do with anything I said and ask me to comment on it. You can do this by learning how to quote properly and put your strawman into context (but you won't do that, of course, since it will expose the strawman nature of your non-sequitur question). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Salvos Rhoska
941
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Posted - 2014.03.31 15:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Are you claiming null has no interest or advantage in taking ice system and hub POS for purposes of compression of ice/ore back to null?. Again ignoring the question and resorting to pathetic stonewall that works only on idiots. Implying everyone hasn't seen and is tired of death to her fake like-farming and low brow discussion monkeywrenching.
Hmm? ------------ |
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