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Methonash Qorranto
Caduceus Council Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
18
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Posted - 2014.04.03 21:40:00 -
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Erasmus Phoenix wrote:Is there a single player who actively uses T2 sentries and doesn't have the racial drone skills?
I don't have every t2 racial drone skill injected/trained yet. Never really saw the need to, as I PVE with hob2's and PVP with warrior2's.
Sue me! |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1068
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Posted - 2014.04.03 21:43:00 -
[722] - Quote
Methonash Qorranto wrote:Erasmus Phoenix wrote:Is there a single player who actively uses T2 sentries and doesn't have the racial drone skills? I don't have every t2 racial drone skill injected/trained yet. Never really saw the need to, as I PVE with hob2's and PVP with warrior2's. Sue me! Same here, but getting those last 2, or 3 in my case, shouldn't be that onerous.
Edit: *Bows head in shame for allowing that oversight to remain on my skill sheet this long. |
Methonash Qorranto
Caduceus Council Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
18
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Posted - 2014.04.03 21:47:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote: Same here, but getting those last 2, or 3 in my case, shouldn't be that onerous.
Edit: *Bows head in shame for allowing that oversight to remain on my skill sheet this long.
No, Sir! Own those "mistakes" and wear your lack-of-injected/trained-skills as a badge of honor! >:O |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
324
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Posted - 2014.04.03 22:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Icylce wrote:It does not mean u dont loose time if u choose to do so. One does not rule out the other. What rules out the loss of time is the very simple fact that you didn't lose anything in the process. Again: someone else's gain is not your loss. it is in a zero-sum game.
eve is a zero-sum game. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
531
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Posted - 2014.04.03 23:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Icylce wrote:It does not mean u dont loose time if u choose to do so. One does not rule out the other. What rules out the loss of time is the very simple fact that you didn't lose anything in the process. Again: someone else's gain is not your loss.
Personally I think the "my SP beats your SP" minigame is a bit silly and who cares if you have redundant training with both scout and combat to V.
However I must agree with the original comments here.
If you trained in real life every week night for a year to qualify for a payrise and then the boss a few weeks after you get your payrise decides to give it to everyone regardless of training you will be dissed. Rightly so because you did lose something, all your evenings for a year.
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Dr Cedric
Independent Miners Corporation Care Factor
40
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Posted - 2014.04.03 23:21:00 -
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My Two cents on the Drone Spectrum (regarding light, med and heavy drones)
Tippia has it on the nose. If I want speed, I'll (still) go Minmatar drone, if I want DPS, I'll (still) go Gallente. Caldari and Amarr don't offer anything for me.
I think the change should be to have each drone operate the same way the faction doctrine operates:
Minmatar = Either great tracking/great falloff and great speed OR Good Range and Massive Alpha
Gallente = High DPS, moderate speed and great tracking at short range
Caldari = Long range, Decent Tank and Moderate Damage OR almost-high DPS, moderates speed and OK-ish Tracking at short range
Amarr = Long Range, Decent Tank and High Damage at a wide variety of ranges.
In the case of drones, make selection based on what you need the drone to do and how you can leverage the drone strengths vs. your intended targets' weaknesses.
As an example, make Caldari Drones "keep at range" and shoot from a greater distance. This would make them much more smart bomb proof, but at the same time if the target ship stops, so do the Drones.
Perhaps a similar mechanic with Minmatar drones, except they would orbit at a much greater range and every 8-10 seconds your target gets a huge Alpha shot.
Instead of putting all of the drones on a single spectrum, make a bunch of spectrums and spread the drones over all of them.
Make me WANT to choose an Amarr Drone over a Minmatar drone because of what the Amarr drone brings to the fight that the Minmatar can't!
Ced Cedric
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20450
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Posted - 2014.04.04 00:36:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:If you trained in real life every week night for a year to qualify for a payrise and then the boss a few weeks after you get your payrise decides to give it to everyone regardless of training you will be dissed. Rightly so because you did lose something, all your evenings for a year. GǪand for that entire year, you got paid for those evenings.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
531
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Posted - 2014.04.04 00:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:If you trained in real life every week night for a year to qualify for a payrise and then the boss a few weeks after you get your payrise decides to give it to everyone regardless of training you will be dissed. Rightly so because you did lose something, all your evenings for a year. GǪand for that entire year, you got paid for those evenings.
Still they could have used that drone training for something else .... but meh who cares. In reality their has been plenty of notice of this so its not as if people will train combat drones V and the next day find it unnecessary.
ON A DIFFERENT NOTE:
Please fix the SDA rig .... its way pointless at the moment |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20450
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Posted - 2014.04.04 00:48:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Still they could have used that drone training for something else GǪand had awful drone stats as a result. After all, there's a reason whey did spend that time training the skill.
The time was only wasted if they didn't want that skill. And if they didn't want it, why on earth did they train it? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Andrea Keuvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
256
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Posted - 2014.04.04 00:50:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.
As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.
The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.
So people who trained Combat Drone Operation will be getting unallocated skill points as a reimbursement right? |
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Boltorano
Devious Chemicals
62
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Posted - 2014.04.04 01:01:00 -
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Not sure if this has been asked already, but wouldn't it make sense to call it Drone Astronautics rather than Drone Avionics? |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2294
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Posted - 2014.04.04 01:03:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Still they could have used that drone training for something else GǪand had awful drone stats as a result. After all, there's a reason whey did spend that time training the skill. The time was only wasted if they didn't want that skill. And if they didn't want it, why on earth did they train it? As someone who has 15million skill points in drones, the skills were worth every SP that was put into them. -á --á |
Lugues Slive
The Kissaki Consortia
20
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Posted - 2014.04.04 02:04:00 -
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Since you are now adding a significant drone rebalance in what is looking like an industry expansion, is there any chance that we will see some changes to mining drones? |
RatBoy Deblade
Zervas Aeronautics The Unthinkables
10
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Posted - 2014.04.04 03:00:00 -
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As a 143M SP pilot, i would like to ask that CCP not nerf the NYX to the point that it would have been a waste to get into. People spend a significant amount of time to train and gather the isk to buy a super carrier for a specific reason.. If that reason becomes entirely invalid after a change which looks like will nerf supers and in particular the NYX. Then it becomes difficult to want to continue investing in such ships and perhaps the interest in EVE will also wane slowly.
Please give the NYX some extra advantage to compensate for the lack of HP it will have without the mods and soften the Nerf Bat a bit.
Thanks,
R.B |
Isky von Purps
Caldari Solutions
0
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Posted - 2014.04.04 04:31:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.
As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.
The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.
Then the Dev Blog says:
"We are also splitting the current Combat Drone Operation skill into two new skills, Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation....During the patch downtime, existing players with the Combat Drone Operation skill trained will receive both new skills trained to the same level that their Combat Drone Operation skill was trained to.
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Finally, we are renaming two drone skills to clarify their roles. The Scout Drone Operation skill is being renamed GÇ£Drone AvionicsGÇ¥ ... to better represent their roles...."
Question: If before DT I have Scout Drone Operation V and Drone Operation IV do I get
Light Drone Operation IV Medium Drone Operation IV Drone Avionics V
(As per the Dev Blog)
or
Light Drone Operation V Medium Drone Operation V Drone Avionics V
As per the Fozzie post? Speaking as a Toon, the difference will radically affect 8 days of my life.
ie if it is the latter then it is absolutely worthless training CDO now because you can get Drone Avionics + Light + Medium Drone Operation V just by training Scout Drone Operation V. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2128
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Posted - 2014.04.04 04:44:00 -
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So how are the new hornets different from the old hornets? Less damage, more speed - just like they are now. ??
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Bawb Zennshinagas
Zennshinagas LLC.
3
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Posted - 2014.04.04 05:35:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.
As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.
The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.
So do we get reimbursed for the skill that isn't being used, and removed?
Or does your wording mean scout->light and combat->Medium ?
Getting free V for both based off of Scout is nice, but having just wasted a week training CDO, would really **** me off. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
934
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Posted - 2014.04.04 06:10:00 -
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I have Scout Drone Operation V and Combat Drone Operation IV. Do I need to train CDO to V before the summer? Dev blog says yes, comments say no. Which is it? Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1905
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Posted - 2014.04.04 11:01:00 -
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the changes look solid, although i did not check the numbers (cause i'm lazy).
one thing i do not approve of though are the low slot drone tracking enhancers. it's bad enough that omnidirectional tracking links are basically the same module as tracking computers. we do not need to make drones even more similar to turrets (sentries <=> artillery in particular). i get that shield tanked drone boats are in an awkward place with tracking mods sharing their tank slots. in practice though, you have at least one good option to fit any of them in almost all circumstances. keeping drone tracking enhancers out of the game would be keeping one tiny vial of flavor in a giant boring sea of homogenization.
P.S.: back in the day, i was very vocal against the introduction of low slot missile explosion enhancers for the same reason.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Cultural Enrichment
Jenkem Puffing Association
22
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Posted - 2014.04.04 11:23:00 -
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So, if I have Scout drone Operation at 5 and combat drone operation at 3, I should NOT train combat drone operation as it will be removed and replaced by the new skills at 5? |
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stoicfaux
4397
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Posted - 2014.04.04 12:25:00 -
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Fozzie's post trumps the dev blog because otherwise people would suddenly lose their ability to fly T2 light and medium drones in the expansion.
Currently: SDO V is required for T2 light/med drones. Summer: T2 light/medium drones will require LDO or MDO respectively.
If LDO/MDO were to be split from CDO, and your CDO was only at IV, you would no longer be able to fly T2 light/med drones in the summer expansion. Hence, why CCP Fozzie's comment trumps the dev blog.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
738
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Posted - 2014.04.04 13:09:00 -
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Will fighters and fighter bombers be affected by the race specialization skills? Not today spaghetti. |
Abigail Sagan
Skeleton Liberation Front
50
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Posted - 2014.04.04 13:11:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Fozzie's post trumps the dev blog because otherwise people would suddenly lose their ability to fly T2 light and medium drones in the expansion.
Currently: SDO V is required for T2 light/med drones. Summer: T2 light/medium drones will require LDO or MDO respectively.
If LDO/MDO were to be split from CDO, and your CDO was only at IV, you would no longer be able to fly T2 light/med drones in the summer expansion. Hence, why CCP Fozzie's comment trumps the dev blog.
I most graciously disagree. Even though your deduction is most likely correct, DevBlog has more authority than a single developer writing something on forums. CCP cannot expect everyone to read the forums to find the Right and Correct Interpretation of the DevBlog. Therefore if DevBlog is wrong, CCP better fix it. To do otherwise would be a new public relation fiasco (maybe not a major one, but fiasco none the less) |
Crazy KSK
Tsunami Cartel Gank for Profit
80
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Posted - 2014.04.04 13:24:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Will fighters and fighter bombers be affected by the race specialization skills?
no they are not tech 2 drones bonuses affecting new fibos damage are drone interfacing 10%/lvl fibo skill 20%lvl and the new SC bonus 100%
Quote CCP Fozzie: ... The days of balance and forget are over.
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King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
24
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Posted - 2014.04.04 13:46:00 -
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Fozzie,
have you considered not decreasing the fighter base damage? I first thought these changes would buff them enough to make then usable, but if you are going to need to use two low slots just to make them as sucky as before, this is actually a nerf.
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marVLs
576
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:47:00 -
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Still no use for Cal and Am drones, but they're some great ideas in this thread.
Still won't use Heavys over Sentrys.
Still drone UI and laaaag interaction is the biggest problem.
Drones need implants and more/better rigs (make drone damage rig instead of sentry only).
Drone control range should be buffed, same goes for damage of Heavy drones instead of nerfing Sentrys...
Overall changes are just "meeeh", they just touch a little drone problems without solving them. As i can see long way for them to being fixed :/ |
Erasmus Phoenix
Balls to the Walls No Response
93
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:56:00 -
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King Fu Hostile wrote:Fozzie,
have you considered not decreasing the fighter base damage? I first thought these changes would buff them enough to make then usable, but if you are going to need to use two low slots just to make them as sucky as before, this is actually a nerf.
Fighters won't require low slots to make them do as much damage as they used to, Fighter Bombers will. |
King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
25
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Posted - 2014.04.04 16:23:00 -
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Erasmus Phoenix wrote:King Fu Hostile wrote:Fozzie,
have you considered not decreasing the fighter base damage? I first thought these changes would buff them enough to make then usable, but if you are going to need to use two low slots just to make them as sucky as before, this is actually a nerf.
Fighters won't require low slots to make them do as much damage as they used to, Fighter Bombers will.
Hmm?
Fozzie the Dev wrote:To compensate for these changes, the base damage of Fighters and Fighter Bombers is being reduced.
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Erasmus Phoenix
Balls to the Walls No Response
93
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Posted - 2014.04.04 16:41:00 -
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King Fu Hostile wrote:Erasmus Phoenix wrote:King Fu Hostile wrote:Fozzie,
have you considered not decreasing the fighter base damage? I first thought these changes would buff them enough to make then usable, but if you are going to need to use two low slots just to make them as sucky as before, this is actually a nerf.
Fighters won't require low slots to make them do as much damage as they used to, Fighter Bombers will. Hmm? Fozzie the Dev wrote:To compensate for these changes, the base damage of Fighters and Fighter Bombers is being reduced.
Please, read the sentence right after the one you quoted to me.
"Fighters will find that with Drone Interfacing trained to five their basic damage returns to normal and all the other skills and bonuses from Drone Damage Amplifiers are pure additions. Fighter Bombers will need Drone Interfacing 5 and two Tech Two Drone Damage Amplifiers to slightly surpass their current damage rates" |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
708
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Posted - 2014.04.04 16:49:00 -
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it seems odd there aren't any T2/navy fighters/bombers Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
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