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Nar' alk Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.05.17 01:32:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:The SENSIBLE option would have been:
Avionics = SDO current level LDO = SDO current level
MDO = CDO current level
No lost SP, no need for reimbursement.
This is a serious suggestion of a better way to make this work without the need for reimbursement.
Hmm. So if MDO = CDO then the time I spent training CDO would still give an advantage.
Edit: just saw Mario's post above me. Darn. |
Moor Deybe
Render Unto Caesar
29
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Posted - 2014.05.17 10:40:00 -
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I was on Singularity a few hours ago looking at exactly the same thing as the new drone skills, range and damage stats appear to be released there.
My Light Drone Operation was at Level 5 as expected, but the Medium Drone Operation skill was untrained, but with the green tick indicating that I was capable of training that skill. The Medium Drone operation skillbook wasn't available on the market to buy, with the usual option to search contracts offered.
I'm assuming that this is all a "work in progress", otherwise yes, something is very wrong and the reallocation of skill points has failed.
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stoicfaux
4828
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Posted - 2014.05.17 11:25:00 -
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Erehwon Rorschach wrote:When can we expect more information on the new faction drone modules?
Has there been any hints on this.
So far on Sisi: DDAs : 25.8% (Amarr Navy, Federation Navy, Dread Guristas, Sentient Drone) Drone Nav: 32% (Federation Navy, Sentient Drone) Omni TE (low slot): 10% / 20% / 10% for optimal/falloff/tracking (Amarr Navy, Dread Guristas, Sentient) Omni Link (med slot): 8% / 16% / 17.5% for optimal/falloff/tracking (Fed Navy, Sentient)
How to get onto Sisi test server and get a preview and maybe even actually help test. Also test forum.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Sgt Ocker
Last Bastion of Freedom
218
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Posted - 2014.05.17 11:25:00 -
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Moor Deybe wrote:I was on Singularity a few hours ago looking at exactly the same thing as the new drone skills, range and damage stats appear to be released there. My Light Drone Operation was at Level 5 as expected, but the Medium Drone Operation skill was untrained, but with the green tick indicating that I was capable of training that skill. The Medium Drone operation skillbook wasn't available on the market to buy, with the usual option to search contracts offered. I'm assuming that this is all a "work in progress", otherwise yes, something is very wrong and the reallocation of skill points has failed. As mentioned by a Dev (CCP Rise I think) in another thread (not going looking for it but feel free, I think it was the Faction Battleship thread) The script for drones has not been run on Sisi but will be run on TQ when the time comes. If you have Scout Drone Operation 5 now, you will have Lights Drones 5 + Medium Drones 5 when the update goes live.
As the current skill "Combat Drone Operation" Is not currently a prerequisite for the use of Medium or Light Drones but is simply a DPS skill, this description in the Dev blog needs to be edited.
Quote: We are also splitting the current Combat Drone Operation skill into two new skills, Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation. This means that all light combat drones will now be unlocked and bonused from the Light Drone Operation skill, and medium combat drones will be unlocked and bonused from the Medium Drone Operation skill. During the patch downtime, existing players with the Combat Drone Operation skill trained will receive both new skills trained to the same level that their Combat Drone Operation skill was trained to. As per CCP Rise ( I think, can't find the post) He confirmed, the highest level in Scout Drone Operation OR Combat Drone Operation will be used for the new skills of - Light Drone Operation & Medium Drone Operation. My opinions are mine. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK. Just don't bother Hating - I don't care.. |
Nar' alk Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.05.17 14:46:00 -
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I posted this in another thread, but wanted to post it here as well. Would something like this work?
As it stands now, after the patch an SDO 5 will be equal to an SDO5 + CDO5 person. In this respect CDO5 isn't needed. Instead of disregarding CDO5 in this fashion, create 2 new skill call Advanced Light Drone Operation and Advanced Medium Drone Operation.
Reduce the amount of damage that LDO and MDO do by 2.5% and give ALDO and AMDO that 2.5% bonus.
An SDO 5 player is still able to fly what he could before, MDO5 players get no skill points but get to keep their advantage. I'll admit I don't have the specifics worked out, but it's an idea. |
Mikey TwoGuns
Fail Force 5 Corrosive.
0
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Posted - 2014.05.18 05:59:00 -
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I might be confused here. And I hope I am.
I have Scout Drone Operation trained to 5. This was completed a couple years ago.
And I just got done training Combat Drone Operation 5 a few days ago. I did this under the impression that the two new skills, Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation, would inherit only the same level as Combat Drone Operation as stated in the Dev Blog:
Quote:We are also splitting the current Combat Drone Operation skill into two new skills, Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation.
Now, Fozzie is stating that inherited training for the two new skills will come from EITHER Combat Drone Operation or Scout Drone Operation, whichever is highest:
CCP Fozzie wrote:Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.
As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.
The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.
So does this mean that the time I spent training Combat Drone Operation 5--about 8 days--will be essentially wasted? If so, then I am being kicked squarely in the nuts.
Furthermore, I had advised all of my corp mates via mail to train Combat Drone Operation 5 after I read the Dev Blog. Many of them probably had Scout Drone Operation already trained to 5 as well. It may have been foolish to advise them to do it, but I assumed CCP wouldn't dare blindside their own players in regards to their SP.
Please, somebody throw me a bone here. Please tell me that I am interpreting Fozzie incorrectly here. If not, then I will demand a SP reimbursement for Combat Drone Operation. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1455
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Posted - 2014.05.18 10:11:00 -
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CCP Lebowski wrote: You sir, are asking the real questions here!
It is the same, I'll demonstrate:
x=1.999...
Multiply by 10
10x=19.999...
Subtract x
9x=18
Divide by 9
x=2
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Sgt Ocker
Last Bastion of Freedom
219
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Posted - 2014.05.18 13:13:00 -
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Mikey TwoGuns wrote:I might be confused here. And I hope I am.
Please, somebody throw me a bone here. Please tell me that I am interpreting Fozzie incorrectly. If not, then I will demand a SP reimbursement for Combat Drone Operation. I could throw you a bone but it wouldn't be a tasty one. According to CCP Fozzie, THE BLOG IS WRONG, it has been from the start.
For reasons known only to themselves the blog has not to date been updated to show the correct information and the only acknowledgement of the change is an obscure 4 line post from the lead Dev on page 38 of a (so far) 47 page thread.
Many players who do not troll the forums looking for information would still be under the impression they will need COMBAT DRONE OPERATION 5 to get Light Drone Operation 5 & Medium Drone Operation 5 at the time of the patch. NB; I have spoken to a few newer players asking advice on which skill to train 1st...
8 days does not sound much when you say it quickly and the 512k SP is not that big a deal, although many (myself included) could have put it to far better use than training unnecessary skills. - - - - I wonder if updating the Official Blog to show the correct information would remove the need for the following quote, which refers to a post buried in another thread.
Quote:CCP Fozzie The skill upgrade script that will be run on TQ has not been run on SISI. The information in my post that Joe linked is indeed still accurate. My opinions are mine. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK. Just don't bother Hating - I don't care.. |
Mikey TwoGuns
Fail Force 5 Corrosive.
0
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Posted - 2014.05.18 18:05:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Mikey TwoGuns wrote:I might be confused here. And I hope I am.
Please, somebody throw me a bone here. Please tell me that I am interpreting Fozzie incorrectly. If not, then I will demand a SP reimbursement for Combat Drone Operation. I could throw you a bone but it wouldn't be a tasty one. According to CCP Fozzie, THE BLOG IS WRONG, it has been from the start. For reasons known only to themselves the blog has not to date been updated to show the correct information and the only acknowledgement of the change is an obscure 4 line post from the lead Dev on page 38 of a (so far) 47 page thread. Many players who do not troll the forums looking for information would still be under the impression they will need COMBAT DRONE OPERATION 5 to get Light Drone Operation 5 & Medium Drone Operation 5 at the time of the patch. NB; I have spoken to a few newer players asking advice on which skill to train 1st... 8 days does not sound much when you say it quickly and the 512k SP is not that big a deal, although many (myself included) could have put it to far better use than training unnecessary skills. - - - - I wonder if updating the Official Blog to show the correct information would remove the need for the following quote, which refers to a post buried in another thread. Quote:CCP Fozzie The skill upgrade script that will be run on TQ has not been run on SISI. The information in my post that Joe linked is indeed still accurate.
Thanks for the reply, Sgt Ocker.
Training a skill for 8 days just to see it wasted is a big deal, in my case. Especially because I advised many others in my corp to do so the same. So they will be getting kicked in the nuts as well, and I am largely responsible for it. This weighs quite heavily on me.
This ordeal appears to be a communication goof committed by Fozzie. His dev blog post, in regards to the implementation of Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation, is incorrect and very misleading. It caused me and many others to spend 8 days of training on a skill that did not have to be trained in order to acquire level 5 in the two new skills. After the patch is implemented, the 512K SP devoted to Combat Drone Operation will be gone with no persisting benefit. This is wasted SP. Wasted on account of a goofed official statement made by a CCP developer.
Fozzie, I understand that you made a communication mistake, and I can forgive you for that. But the onus is on you to ensure that those who trained up Combat Drone Operation in accordance to your statement in the dev blog are compensated for the SP that they unknowingly wasted. This would be a fair way to resolve this ordeal.
Afterthought: Alternatively, you could change the skill implementation plan altogether to something more sensible. Using the highest level of either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation seems to be a pretty sloppy way of doing it anyways. |
Trekan Kion
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
0
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Posted - 2014.05.18 18:30:00 -
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Based on the dev blog I trained SDO and CDO to lvl V on 4 toons in the last few weeks or so. I did not have the benefit of these skills over a long period but only decided to change my training plan based on that dev blog. It now indeed looks like I wasted 8-10 days training per toon as CDO is being removed and as it will not affect any skill transfers. Those toons are on the order of 10 to 13 million SP so it feels like a big waste. Reimbursement of those SP does seem in order. |
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Draiv Solregard
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
0
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Posted - 2014.05.18 22:56:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.
As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.
The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.
If I understand correctly Scout Drone Operation: Rank 1: Drone Control Range Bonus: 4d 21h to Level V Combat Drone Operation: Rank 2: Drone Damage Bonus: 9d 18h to Level V
Scout Drone Operation Level V = Light Drone Operation V & Medium Drone Operation V A skill with a bonus to control range changes into two skills with damage bonuses (Rank 1 = Rank 1 + Rank 2) In just over half the time as Combat Drone Operation V or Combat Drone Operation Level V = Light Drone Operation V & Medium Drone Operation V (Rank 2 = Rank 1 + Rank 2) A skill with a bonus to damage splits into two skills with damage bonuses
On Tranquility I have Scout Drone Operation V and Combat Drone Operation IV On Singularity I have Light Drone Operation IV and I couldn't find Medium Drone Operation
Even if Medium Drone Operation is not available shouldn't I still have gotten Light Drone Operation at V instead of IV? |
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords Codex Aevum
75
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Posted - 2014.05.18 22:56:00 -
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Nerfed Supercarriers? Are you guys mad`? With 2 Drone Damage Amplifier II + 0 DCUs the FighterBomber does the same dps.
With 3 FACTION Drone Damage Amplifiers + 5 DCUs + Nyx Rolebonus the Supercarrier will do Rofl-lmao-dps from hell.... Faction Omnis might help aswell. A super used to be capped at 25 theoretical drones. Now its 30. And you can always shield-tank a super if you get off your "all capitals need to be armor or I am confused" - attitude. |
I TheCount I
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.05.19 03:46:00 -
[943] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.
As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.
The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.
Okay, So I have trained both skills to V to get a head start (New Character) now you say that all i needed was Scout Drone Operation to V and not even needing Combat Drone Operation. That is just a slap in the face.
Scout Drone Operation V: 256,000 SP Combat Drone Operation V: 512,000 SP Total SP: 768,000 SP
Original Plan: Train Scout Drone Op V (for 5 drones, not even for Kronos) Train Combat Drone Op V ( get 2 skills for one)
Now what you are saying Train Scout Drone Op V (Get a free 512,000 SP) Seriously?
This Definately should be refunded in unallocated SP. . . or am I reading something wrong |
Sgt Ocker
Last Bastion of Freedom
220
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Posted - 2014.05.19 04:46:00 -
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Destriouth Hollow wrote:Nerfed Supercarriers? Are you guys mad`? With 2 Drone Damage Amplifier II + 0 DCUs the FighterBomber does the same dps.
With 3 FACTION Drone Damage Amplifiers + 5 DCUs + Nyx Rolebonus the Supercarrier will do Rofl-lmao-dps from hell.... Faction Omnis might help aswell. A super used to be capped at 25 theoretical drones. Now its 30. And you can always shield-tank a super if you get off your "all capitals need to be armor or I am confused" - attitude. Yes and everyone will want to fly 1 of the most expensive ships in the game with sub optimal tank, Right? Shield Supers fit for Shield, Armor Supers fit for Armor, that is where the best attributes are for each. You could theoretically, shield fit an Aeon, all the DDA's and lowslot Omnis you could fit would increase its Dps potential by a lot but I doubt it would last long in combat.
I think what we are more likely to see is, Shield Supers find more of a place in Capital Fleets. Not shield fit Armour Supers. My opinions are mine. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK. Just don't bother Hating - I don't care.. |
Mikey TwoGuns
Fail Force 5 Corrosive.
0
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Posted - 2014.05.19 12:18:00 -
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I TheCount I wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.
As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.
The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2. Okay, So I have trained both skills to V to get a head start (New Character) now you say that all i needed was Scout Drone Operation to V and not even needing Combat Drone Operation. That is just a slap in the face. Scout Drone Operation V: 256,000 SP Combat Drone Operation V: 512,000 SP Total SP: 768,000 SP Original Plan: Train Scout Drone Op V (for T2 drones, not even for Kronos) Train Combat Drone Op V ( get 2 skills for one) Now what you are saying Train Scout Drone Op V (Get a free 512,000 SP) Seriously? This Definately should be refunded in unallocated SP. . . or am I reading something wrong
You are reading it right. That is pretty much how it is. I had a hard time believing it too.
If I don't get the feedback from CCP that I want to hear in the next day or so, then I will ask our CSM representatives to take on the issue. |
Gabriel Dube
Notorious Legion
4
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Posted - 2014.05.20 01:05:00 -
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I TheCount I wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.
As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.
The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2. Okay, So I have trained both skills to V to get a head start (New Character) now you say that all i needed was Scout Drone Operation to V and not even needing Combat Drone Operation. That is just a slap in the face. Scout Drone Operation V: 256,000 SP Combat Drone Operation V: 512,000 SP Total SP: 768,000 SP Original Plan: Train Scout Drone Op V (for T2 drones, not even for Kronos) Train Combat Drone Op V ( get 2 skills for one) Now what you are saying Train Scout Drone Op V (Get a free 512,000 SP) Seriously? This Definately should be refunded in unallocated SP. . . or am I reading something wrong
I'm in the same boat as you, I went on to train CDO V as soon as I heard about the changes when I resubbed a month ago.
Then I heard about the subtle correction to how the skill split was to be implemented, and contemplated my wasted training time.
Then I realized that, while it might seem unjust to give a greater benefit to those who didn't bother trying to get CDO up to V than to those who did, nobody is really losing anything worthwhile compared to pre-change. You're just getting a smaller privilege than others. |
Mikey TwoGuns
Fail Force 5 Corrosive.
0
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Posted - 2014.05.20 01:29:00 -
[947] - Quote
Gabriel Dube wrote:I'm in the same boat as you, I went on to train CDO V as soon as I heard about the changes when I resubbed a month ago.
Then I heard about the subtle correction to how the skill split was to be implemented, and contemplated my wasted training time.
Then I realized that, while it might seem unjust to give a greater benefit to those who didn't bother trying to get CDO up to V than to those who did, nobody is really losing anything worthwhile compared to pre-change. You're just getting a smaller privilege than others.
512,000 SP, roughly a week's worth, is quite worthwhile if you ask me. |
Erasmus Phoenix
Balls to the Walls No Response
99
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Posted - 2014.05.21 02:13:00 -
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So it has been drawn to my attention that fighter bombers use "fake missiles" - how will these be affected by omnidirectional tracking links and enhancers? Will they gain a benefit or not? similarly, will the Drone Sharpshooting skill affect fighter bombers?
They certainly don't have optimal range or tracking stats available to players. This is something that should be addressed for clarity. |
Sean Crees
Sean's Solo Incursion Corp.
0
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Posted - 2014.05.21 09:18:00 -
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I TheCount I wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.
As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.
The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2. Okay, So I have trained both skills to V to get a head start (New Character) now you say that all i needed was Scout Drone Operation to V and not even needing Combat Drone Operation. That is just a slap in the face. Scout Drone Operation V: 256,000 SP Combat Drone Operation V: 512,000 SP Total SP: 768,000 SP Original Plan: Train Scout Drone Op V (for T2 drones, not even for Kronos) Train Combat Drone Op V ( get 2 skills for one) Now what you are saying Train Scout Drone Op V (Get a free 512,000 SP) Seriously? This Definately should be refunded in unallocated SP. . . or am I reading something wrong
I read the dev blog, and immediately went and put Combat Drone Op 5 in the skill queue (was at level 3 i think previously, and i had no plans on leveling it anytime soon). Now after spending a week training it i find out i am basically just out 1 week of training because of CCP's oversight...
People with Combat Drone Op V should definately get a SP refund. We shouldn't have to pay for your mistakes.
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Sgt Ocker
Last Bastion of Freedom
224
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Posted - 2014.05.21 10:03:00 -
[950] - Quote
Erasmus Phoenix wrote:So it has been drawn to my attention that fighter bombers use "fake missiles" - how will these be affected by omnidirectional tracking links and enhancers? Will they gain a benefit or not? similarly, will the Drone Sharpshooting skill affect fighter bombers?
They certainly don't have optimal range or tracking stats available to players. This is something that should be addressed for clarity.
EDIT: and while I remember...
Someone REALLY needs to address the Drone Link Augmentor situation. The logical thing is to have them moved to Drone Avionics (Like their faction version), but this hasn't happened yet on SiSi, what is going to be happening with their skill requirements? Sorry to tell you, this thread is no longer a sticky - usually a good indicator, Devs are no longer paying it much attention. As it has been the best part of 2 weeks since a Dev even acknowledged this thread, or any of the concerns (Incorrect information in official blog encouraging players to train redundant skills). I would not hold my breath for any official answer to your questions.
It seems players are becoming more like mushrooms every day. My opinions are mine. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK. Just don't bother Hating - I don't care.. |
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Mikey TwoGuns
Fail Force 5 Corrosive.
0
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Posted - 2014.05.21 23:17:00 -
[951] - Quote
Sgt Ocker wrote: Sorry to tell you, this thread is no longer a sticky - usually a good indicator, Devs are no longer paying it much attention. As it has been the best part of 2 weeks since a Dev even acknowledged this thread, or any of the concerns (Incorrect information in official blog encouraging players to train redundant skills). I would not hold my breath for any official answer to your questions.
It seems players are becoming more like mushrooms every day.
You are probably right. And your last sentence made me think about something else.
Currently, only a fraction of the players who were blindsided by the incorrect information in the dev blog actually know they have been blindsided. A lot of players read and gossiped about the dev blog when it came out, but only a few know about Fozzie's actual implementation plan for the drone skills. People will eventually find out when Kronos is released, though.
How much noise will people generate when the truth about the drone skill changes dawns on them? I am genuinely curious about this.
At this point, I am not going to contact the CSM as mentioned previously. Instead, I will keep quiet and see how this plays out. |
Minmatar Citizen 953102
Luv Gun Grand Sky Wizards
3
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Posted - 2014.05.23 19:48:00 -
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Destriouth Hollow wrote:Nerfed Supercarriers? Are you guys mad`? With 2 Drone Damage Amplifier II + 0 DCUs the FighterBomber does the same dps.
With 3 FACTION Drone Damage Amplifiers + 5 DCUs + Nyx Rolebonus the Supercarrier will do Rofl-lmao-dps from hell.... Faction Omnis might help aswell. A super used to be capped at 25 theoretical drones. Now its 30. And you can always shield-tank a super if you get off your "all capitals need to be armor or I am confused" - attitude.
Finally someone as a bit of sense
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Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
395
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Posted - 2014.05.23 19:59:00 -
[953] - Quote
Draiv Solregard wrote:
On Tranquility I have Scout Drone Operation V and Combat Drone Operation IV On Singularity I have Light Drone Operation IV and I couldn't find Medium Drone Operation
Even if Medium Drone Operation is not available shouldn't I still have gotten Light Drone Operation at V instead of IV?
No because as they mentioned elsewhere they haven't run the script on Sisi and don't plan to - they only plan to run it on TQ when the time comes. |
Rdubs
1st Steps Academy Fidelas Constans
7
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Posted - 2014.05.23 21:47:00 -
[954] - Quote
Apologies if this has already been covered on this thread, but someone has reported that on Sisi the Wasp changes (and I imagine the other heavy drones as well) have been much different than shown on the original spreadsheet in the dev blog. Namely, their optimal range and signature resolution have both increased substantially. Currently the Wasp optimal range is 1000 meters and sig resolution 125. The person is reporting that on Sisi the drone is now showing a base optimal range of 4800 meters and a sig resolution of 400, bringing it in line with Sentry drones. The tracking has been increased as well but not nearly as substantially. I can see the argument that the increase in optimal will offset the increase in sig radius, but heavy drones are moving around a lot and I just have a feeling this is going to be a big net negative trying to deal with smaller stuff like rat frigs. Anyone remember seeing anything on this big change to optimal/sig resolution? |
Sgt Ocker
Last Bastion of Freedom
231
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Posted - 2014.05.24 01:13:00 -
[955] - Quote
Rdubs wrote:Apologies if this has already been covered on this thread, but someone has reported that on Sisi the Wasp changes (and I imagine the other heavy drones as well) have been much different than shown on the original spreadsheet in the dev blog. Namely, their optimal range and signature resolution have both increased substantially. Currently the Wasp optimal range is 1000 meters and sig resolution 125. The person is reporting that on Sisi the drone is now showing a base optimal range of 4800 meters and a sig resolution of 400, bringing it in line with Sentry drones. The tracking has been increased as well but not nearly as substantially. I can see the argument that the increase in optimal will offset the increase in sig radius, but heavy drones are moving around a lot and I just have a feeling this is going to be a big net negative trying to deal with smaller stuff like rat frigs. Anyone remember seeing anything on this big change to optimal/sig resolution? They also got an increase (although slight) to Orbit Velocity, which will help a little with Npc frigs . The 50% increase to (mwd) Velocity will go a long way to countering the increased Sig and catching npc frigs, before they can do too much harm. Increased Ehp, increased Dps, I suppose the Sig Radius increase is the trade off, for what are substantial buffs overall.
Increased Optimal Range, does bring up another point I have been unable to find an answer for - Activation Proximity, my understanding of how it works, using T2 Heavy drones as the example - 4,000 m Activation Proximity. Drone MWD's to within Activation Proximity of a target (4,000 m) It then Drops to orbit speed, at which time it engages the target. Target is moving away from drone and increases range between them to 4,100m Wasp ll will have an optimal range of 4,800m and Activation Proximity of 4,000m
Does the Wasp ll continue to fire on the target once it is outside "Activation Proximity" (but still within range) or does it cease firing enter MWD mode to catchup again?
If in fact it is the latter, why do drones have optimal range and falloff that exceeds their range of engagement (4,000m) My opinions are mine. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK. Just don't bother Hating - I don't care.. |
Elmo Martoh
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.05.24 14:40:00 -
[956] - Quote
Based on what I've been reading the past week, I am very confused on what to train to best take advantage of the new skills.
I thought CDO was the way to go initially so I and training CDO to LV5right now. SDO is only L3 at the moment.
Now I am more confused than ever. |
Opa God
Northwest Industrial Initiative
0
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Posted - 2014.05.24 16:55:00 -
[957] - Quote
I would train Scout Drone Operation 5 if i can get it faster. |
Elmo Martoh
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.05.24 17:39:00 -
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Opa God wrote:I would train Scout Drone Operation 5 if i can get it faster. Thanks, I can get CDO with a few hours to spare before patch DT or SDO a few days before. |
Meandering Milieu
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.05.25 15:13:00 -
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Looking at test server info from other people, with faction DDAs it is impossible to get the same damage you used to have with T2 DDAs on Gardes.
I understood the nerf to gardes a little bit, was ok with it. But the fact that even with faction damage mods, you can't even break even, let alone get a little bit of an upgrade, is depressing.
Basically the only ship these damage mods will be good for (seeing as they will probably be at least 100m a pop like other damage mods) are capitals, the rattlesnake, or the navy domi.
You also just nerfed the max dps of both the rattle, ishtar and the navy domi in PVE, while making gardes undesirable even for serp rats, as kinetic is their main hole and with the warden buff coming combined with this nerf will probably make them more desirable.
I won't call it yet, because I haven't personally worked out all the numbers, but I think you may have finally killed gardes for most PVE applications.
Alternatively, with heavy drone buffs coming, they might start being used in PVE over sentries again. We'll have to wait and see. |
Hawklandier Taranogas
Old American Syndicate Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2014.05.26 13:59:00 -
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There is a very simple answer to the drone question here!
When you made the changes to the battle cruisers and destroyers, you gave everyone four skills for that one. The rank of the skill was determined by the skill level at the time. i.e I had destroyers 4 at the time, then downtime came and then I had all the racial destroyer skills at 4. Sound familiar?
Why not give everyone the light and medium drone skills from the scout drone operation skill? The worst thing your doing is making making certain players having to up their clones for the increase in skill points like what you did when you made the BC/Dessy changes.
Why can't you simply do this? Its much less of a headache I have likes? How the hell did that happen? :D |
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