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Svenorr
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Posted - 2006.05.07 05:22:00 -
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Edited by: Svenorr on 07/05/2006 05:22:22 Found some macro minerslast night in Jita. Observed them for about an hour, their movements were precise and to the second repeating themselves. Dont worry I reported them.
...BUT...
They were using secure cargo containers, the 3 barges mined ice and dropped them into the secure can and the hauler took them out. There was no chance to play the old switch and bait on them.
Have the macro miners won again or is there a work around this other than a ***** squad of suicide Kessies?
Edited for spelling
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Kirex
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Posted - 2006.05.07 05:57:00 -
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IIRC, You cant anchor secure cans in Jita. You can drop the cans, but you cant put a pass on them, they disapper over a set amount of time like jet cans, and anyone can scoop them up. Maybe they were just named like a secure can to fool thieves? ---------- Need help with dealing with those annoying carebears?! |
Beowulf Scheafer
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Posted - 2006.05.07 07:06:00 -
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Edited by: Beowulf Scheafer on 07/05/2006 07:06:10 i don't know if it will work, but i'm normally good in creating evil things:
if you can't anchor them, have you tried to take this one in and pull one of your own sec cans out? if anybody can prove me wrong, pls do so. but if i get the system behind it right, stealing from a sec can is also a criminal act resulting in criminal flagging. so just try to make them mine in your seccan, and blow them up after hauling it...
if you test this, and it works, pls let me know... thx alot
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Marine HK4861
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Posted - 2006.05.07 08:02:00 -
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Edited by: Marine HK4861 on 07/05/2006 08:02:34 As Kirex mentioned, you can't anchor cans in higher than 0.7 space. However as they're not anchored you can scoop them with an indy and scooping cans isn't a criminal act (yet).
You can password them to stop switch and bait, but that's easily solvable by scooping and repackaging them once you get back to the hangar.
Edit: corrected anchoring sec rating
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Siren Shiva
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Posted - 2006.05.07 08:56:00 -
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If they icemine in Jita, they'll make like 1M per hour profit with 3 barges. The ice in Jita is pretty much worthless. They'll probably give up sooner or later.
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Troye
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Posted - 2006.05.07 20:57:00 -
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Yeah they cant be making much anyway, whats worrying me is the fact they are taking to 0.0 now, they go in groups all in Ravens and macro NPC the belt rats, theres alot around providence region.
They go for out of the way systems and when ever anyone comes in they instantly warp to SS and cloak, they are hard to catch _______________________________________________
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.05.07 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: mazzilliu on 07/05/2006 23:10:09
Originally by: Troye Yeah they cant be making much anyway, whats worrying me is the fact they are taking to 0.0 now, they go in groups all in Ravens and macro NPC the belt rats, theres alot around providence region.
They go for out of the way systems and when ever anyone comes in they instantly warp to SS and cloak, they are hard to catch
thats what id do if i was in a ratting setup in 0.0 too, how do you know they are macroing?
edited: spelling --------- Sig removed BEFORE the mods got to it bahaha -mazzilliu But we can play with it after. ~kieron that should be considered an exploit >[ -mazzilliu Exploit, what explot - Xorus |
Svenorr
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Posted - 2006.05.08 00:23:00 -
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Thanks for the tip, I didnt think to try and actually take the whole can. DOh I feel stupid now.
Ok will try with a hauler next time and let you know if it works.
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Troye
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Posted - 2006.05.08 04:49:00 -
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Edited by: Troye on 08/05/2006 04:49:57
Originally by: mazzilliu Edited by: mazzilliu on 07/05/2006 23:10:09
Originally by: Troye Yeah they cant be making much anyway, whats worrying me is the fact they are taking to 0.0 now, they go in groups all in Ravens and macro NPC the belt rats, theres alot around providence region.
They go for out of the way systems and when ever anyone comes in they instantly warp to SS and cloak, they are hard to catch
thats what id do if i was in a ratting setup in 0.0 too, how do you know they are macroing?
edited: spelling
They have all the same traits and clues which indicate macroers, all in random noob corps with similar names and created on the same dates but just out in 0.0 and farming NPCs instead of roids. Come to Domain/Providence and youl see it.
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Torm Ilmater
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Troye Edited by: Troye on 08/05/2006 04:49:57
Originally by: mazzilliu Edited by: mazzilliu on 07/05/2006 23:10:09
Originally by: Troye Yeah they cant be making much anyway, whats worrying me is the fact they are taking to 0.0 now, they go in groups all in Ravens and macro NPC the belt rats, theres alot around providence region.
They go for out of the way systems and when ever anyone comes in they instantly warp to SS and cloak, they are hard to catch
thats what id do if i was in a ratting setup in 0.0 too, how do you know they are macroing?
edited: spelling
They have all the same traits and clues which indicate macroers, all in random noob corps with similar names and created on the same dates but just out in 0.0 and farming NPCs instead of roids. Come to Domain/Providence and youl see it.
They're also on 23/7 everyday. Not to mention that when they first started you could jump into the system say "hi" or whatever and they'd respond with "hi" back. Then they'd start responding to each other. Not mention the fact that we've gone fishing with warp bubbles placed between belts and such and when they get caught in them they just sit there.
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Vamp 1
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Torm Ilmater
Originally by: Troye Edited by: Troye on 08/05/2006 04:49:57
Originally by: mazzilliu Edited by: mazzilliu on 07/05/2006 23:10:09
Originally by: Troye Yeah they cant be making much anyway, whats worrying me is the fact they are taking to 0.0 now, they go in groups all in Ravens and macro NPC the belt rats, theres alot around providence region.
They go for out of the way systems and when ever anyone comes in they instantly warp to SS and cloak, they are hard to catch
thats what id do if i was in a ratting setup in 0.0 too, how do you know they are macroing?
edited: spelling
They have all the same traits and clues which indicate macroers, all in random noob corps with similar names and created on the same dates but just out in 0.0 and farming NPCs instead of roids. Come to Domain/Providence and youl see it.
They're also on 23/7 everyday. Not to mention that when they first started you could jump into the system say "hi" or whatever and they'd respond with "hi" back. Then they'd start responding to each other. Not mention the fact that we've gone fishing with warp bubbles placed between belts and such and when they get caught in them they just sit there.
Sounds a bit advanced to be macro miners, most probably the ravens are manned by real people in cyber cafe sweat shops
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:23:00 -
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Me and a corpmate encountered this like 6 months ago, we took stuff out of the container and made a new container and blew the stuff up (since we where in Stealthbomber and assault frig).
Also had some fun poking the container so they had to move around since they could not anchor it you can move it around abit too
To the fact that Macroers have come to 0.0.... Welcome to EVE-Online... Macroers have been a huge problem for us in Empire now you can share the fun. It where not a problem for you guys as long as they where in empire, and we could move to 0.0 and leave Empire for Macroers.
Oh .. and I don't feel for you guys.. you get what you want. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor. |
Kalaan Oratay
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:28:00 -
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Macroing in 0.0? Could you go 100km off them in a Scorpion and keep jamming the barges?
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schmarty pants
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Posted - 2006.06.12 09:50:00 -
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Edited by: schmarty pants on 12/06/2006 09:51:40 macro mining ravens isn't so far fetched!
think about it... all the things you've seen them do whilst hauling in empire...
warp to group target cans tractor cans move multiple ore types into thier cargo hold dock at station rinse and repeat
ratting aint that much more complex... and in a raven of all things you dont have to concern yourself with being too close, transversal, etc.... heck even targetting wouldn't be an issue, they could just use fof's This games npc rats are setup in the exact same way to target and destroy us, it's not hard to imagine someone just making the same script to duel npc's
i have heard of all this before, I do belive it's true, but in all honesty - macro mining is far worse, far more annoying and far more damaging to this game in the long run.
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.06.12 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Svenorr
They were using secure cargo containers,
Get your Industrial out and scoop up the unanchored cans. They wont even get aggro.
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Vanguard Secundus
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Posted - 2006.06.12 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Vanguard Secundus on 12/06/2006 10:37:36 Micro miners remind me of a Quote from Goodfellas (Slighty modified)
"By the time I grew up, there was thirty billion a year in cargo moving through the Macro Miners Hands and believe me, we tried to steal every bit of it. "
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sesanti
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Posted - 2006.06.12 14:18:00 -
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Macrominers in low sec or 0.0??? I wonder how will they tackle the alliance blobs out there? That will be funny to watch...
Hey, where do you say this guys hang out macromining, in low sec?
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.06.13 09:41:00 -
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I've seen a few macroratters in lowsec. Thing is, the majority I've seen haven't even got flee routines built into their script so a pirate group would easily pick them off. -----
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Hell's Wraith
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Posted - 2006.06.13 09:56:00 -
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macroer's in 0.0 isnt something new, and has been rumoured to have happened in at least one of the old now none existant alliances, just think how easy it would be for them, just sitting a poc in belt tanking spawn while the barges go to work.
also macroers do work npc's too as one particular bunch of people from the same corp which i wont mention were caught farming the 10/10 complex in catch using a dread, when caught they were podded
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tnvnu2
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Posted - 2006.06.13 11:33:00 -
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i have seen macro harvester, there is around 9 if not more of them in a system i use a lot (0.1) there is a complex there a 5/10 what they do is harvest it 23/7, they come in as a group force and raid the complex however leaving 1 member in the 5th stage as its a quick respawn and can make well over 250mill a day just sitting there.
Once the others complex the complex they leave but return when the hole complex has respawned this can be checked by just using the scanner tool at the gate. Which there member can do with ease on the 5th stage.
My self and a few others have come up against them, and even though they are only 3 months old, the amount of fire power they do have combined does make them very hard to target and win. That and they all pack warp stabbers.
What i've been told by many others in regards to these MACRO ALT's is that they harvest a couple of complex's moving around, and i guess leaving a member in different stages...
I've not seen them for past few days, so lets hope they all got banned.
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Thut'ankh Amon
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Posted - 2006.06.13 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: tnvnu2 i have seen macro harvester, there is around 9 if not more of them in a system i use a lot (0.1) there is a complex there a 5/10 what they do is harvest it 23/7, they come in as a group force and raid the complex however leaving 1 member in the 5th stage as its a quick respawn and can make well over 250mill a day just sitting there.
Once the others complex the complex they leave but return when the hole complex has respawned this can be checked by just using the scanner tool at the gate. Which there member can do with ease on the 5th stage.
My self and a few others have come up against them, and even though they are only 3 months old, the amount of fire power they do have combined does make them very hard to target and win. That and they all pack warp stabbers.
What i've been told by many others in regards to these MACRO ALT's is that they harvest a couple of complex's moving around, and i guess leaving a member in different stages...
I've not seen them for past few days, so lets hope they all got banned.
sorry to dissapoint you, they didnt - friend got killed by them in plex yesterday, this macro tho grows more inteligent - now he packs warp disruptors not only on his stabber but also on ravens
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Cvuos
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Posted - 2006.06.13 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Torm Ilmater Then they'd start responding to each other. Not mention the fact that we've gone fishing with warp bubbles placed between belts and such and when they get caught in them they just sit there.
Warp bubbles between belts, as in an offgrid safespot in the warp path from one belt to another?
*raises BS flag*
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.06.13 14:17:00 -
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gotta agree its more a cyber sweat shop type outfit that said kiling em now will help to control them.
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Shandling
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Posted - 2006.06.13 17:49:00 -
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One of the key problems is farmers add thousands and thousands of accounts (read: tens of thousands of dollars extra income per month) so MMORPG companies aren't exactly putting the anti-farmer detail on top priority.
Why not have anti-macro hunting parties? I think all walks of EVE-life could participate, from pirates to mercenaries to alliance blobbers to carebears. They're all hurting the same game we play... ;) All we need are a few people good with probes.
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Himo Amasacia
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Posted - 2006.06.14 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: tnvnu2 i have seen macro harvester, there is around 9 if not more of them in a system i use a lot (0.1) there is a complex there a 5/10 what they do is harvest it 23/7, they come in as a group force and raid the complex however leaving 1 member in the 5th stage as its a quick respawn and can make well over 250mill a day just sitting there.
Once the others complex the complex they leave but return when the hole complex has respawned this can be checked by just using the scanner tool at the gate. Which there member can do with ease on the 5th stage.
My self and a few others have come up against them, and even though they are only 3 months old, the amount of fire power they do have combined does make them very hard to target and win. That and they all pack warp stabbers.
What i've been told by many others in regards to these MACRO ALT's is that they harvest a couple of complex's moving around, and i guess leaving a member in different stages...
I've not seen them for past few days, so lets hope they all got banned.
Then this is spreading like wildfire. In our local plex the same think is happening. this was not a macro AI though. This guy was left there deliberatly, in a caracal. He was there every single bloody day. We formed a group and tried to chase him out, but we had no real sniperships and he ran like a *****. but he sat thare ate 250kms from us. Even said Hi. So we left to go ona nd compleate the complex but one of us stayed behond, formed a can called "loot you'e not getting and sat there farming it in front of him. After a while the guy warped off and logged.
We all agree its cyberfarmers.
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Farrellus Cameron
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Posted - 2006.06.14 04:06:00 -
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I saw these macro-mission runners in Haatomo a few days ago. I don't know how they were pulling it off, but I kept seeing them do the stargate blockade mission. Similar names, noob corp, all around for the same amount of time, and they all left the containers after they finished. I actually made some quick, easy money off of taking their loot and selling it. I only noticed them because they kept leaving clusters of containers like 150km from the stargate. Of course the problem with hunting parties for the ones in secure space is that Concord will stop you.
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Chippsetter
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Posted - 2006.07.27 21:14:00 -
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I ran into what I think was a macro miner in a badger II fitted with 2 shield rechargers. The first time I warped in ratting and saw rats shooting him so I killed the rats. The next I went to the belt he was being shot again so this time I asked if he was ok. no answer. tried private, rejected. so I locked and looked at him. He was not taking any damage. I killed the rats and left. This was in a 0.6 system. With Shield rechargers they are out of 1.0-0.9 space.
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Santiago Cortes
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Posted - 2006.07.27 22:28:00 -
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I don¦t think there¦s a playing style that has not been called macroers in this thread.
Please don¦t spread unsubstiantiated rumour, CCP are aware of macros and macroers but it¦s a lot harder to fiddle with the game code than people lead you to believe.
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