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Kretan
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.06 20:56:00 -
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So this is my idea you can write whatever you want in response I will try and answer any questions. My idea is for accounts that have been banned for botting have the ability to transfer characters restored after an active twelve month period. When I say active that means if there is anytime the account goes inactive that timer would stop as well.
Why you might be asking? Well it was originally intended to only last for so long. See https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/9133. "We'll probably have to come up with some form of timing solution for the future."
So first of all lets look at why ccp would allow this to return to an account that has broken the rules. Simple in brings more money in due to the fact character transfers cost either plexes or real money to transfer. Also requires that person to keep that account active so its another account putting money in there pocket
Okay some problems you might say with this are people will just give the account twelve months and transfer the characters to another account they own and the recycling begins again. Well first of all if you transfer it to another account you if that account isn't flagged you get caught that account would also be banned permanently as it would still be in your name. But about players that transfer to another account that is not in there name and uses different details but is found to being used by the same person? Well that is a violation of the character bazaar rules and will get you a permanent ban for manipulating the character bazaar which is stated on the front page sticky.
Also some updates need to be made regarding botting rules as listed.
For the first time its a thirty day ban and the second time its a permanent ban. But how do when know what is allowed and the consequences that follow of doing botting?
Is it through ccp clearly stating in the EULA? Read this carefully before you answer:
You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
Is it because it is clearly stated in Eve Online's ban policy?
Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:
b. Is discovered to be employing the use of a third party program to macro illegally. Funds or goods received from the benefits of macroing are subject to removal from the playerGÇÖs inventory.
So why is it so hard to update the policies once you have changed them?
Will try to respond to all statements and questions.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1299
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Posted - 2014.04.06 21:06:00 -
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u want ur bot alt moved to ur unbanned account in another name so u can use a more sophisticated bot and continue to bot undetected?? EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Kretan
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.07 07:55:00 -
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First all you can't move a character without being detected as every character transfer is already monitored and recorded. Forging a character transfer to another account you own is easily detected and would result in a permanent ban. On another note actually no I don't want to do botting you moron I want to be able to do character transfers and sell characters to other players to make isk rather then botting or quitting the game. I will also state that I am calling you a moron because a) from the sound of your post you didn't even read mine b) because you can't spell and c) because your making accusations and not bothering to contribute to the conversation. Which violates two of the ground rules for this forum so please contribute something useful to the conversation or better yet there's the door feel free to slam it on your way out. |
Ix Method
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2014.04.07 08:21:00 -
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Enjoyably desperate, would stare at disbelievingly again. Travelling at the speed of love. |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
369
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Posted - 2014.04.07 09:22:00 -
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Wait... Is OP actually saying what I think he is? That he wants to play his character that was banned for botting?
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
910
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Posted - 2014.04.07 10:28:00 -
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Reducing the punishment for botters will be as popular as lowering the punishments for corrupt politicians.
Whilst we believe that you personally have never botted and do indeed lie awake each night worrying about those that do...... wait we do not believe that at all. We all hope that the banned accounts had a metric ton of isk and assets that can never be accessed again though. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Meandering Milieu
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
22
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Posted - 2014.04.07 15:48:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/tzpptIc.jpg |
Kretan
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:11:00 -
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To be honest I didn't think there were this many trolls here but I can say I was honestly and happily surprised. Anyway I shall continue to fight this righteous war and tell you why people wouldn't use this method to recycle characters. I will even make it multiple choice!
So first time your ban you have two options if you want to be able to do character transfers or recycle your character you can do either -
A) Do as I have stated which is pay 14 plexes or 150 US dollars and wait a year of active game time to recycle your character.
or
B) Just create a new account spend 3 plexes or 45 US dollars then train for two to three months then continue botting.
Now if you were a botter and money was your bottom line which option would you choose?
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Kretan
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:14:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:Wait... Is OP actually saying what I think he is? That he wants to play his character that was banned for botting?
You due realize you can still play characters that have been banned but not permabanned right? You just can't transfer them between accounts or sell them on the character bazaar.
Still trying to figure out why people have there panties in a bunch over this but either way at least its entertaining... |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
298
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:21:00 -
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Easy there big guy. The first reply was disagreeing with you, not even in a very negative way.
I also don't think that permanently banned accounts should be able to trade characters. That would kind of defeat the purpose of the life long ban.
Now if you had an argument on why there should be no permanent bans, I'd be willing to listen. I would probably disagree; though I don't think that means I'm a troll. |
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1315
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:42:00 -
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Kretan wrote:To be honest I didn't think there were this many trolls here but I can say I was honestly and happily surprised. Anyway I shall continue to fight this righteous war and tell you why people wouldn't use this method to recycle characters. I will even make it multiple choice!
So first time your ban you have two options if you want to be able to do character transfers or recycle your character you can do either -
A) Do as I have stated which is pay 14 plexes or 150 US dollars and wait a year of active game time to recycle your character.
or
B) Just create a new account spend 3 plexes or 45 US dollars then train for two to three months then continue botting.
Now if you were a botter and money was your bottom line which option would you choose?
well that really depends how valuable the skills and assets on that char are to the player. if hes got 50bil in assets and years worth of SP, then 14 plex isnt that much.
unless the banned char has all its assets removed, wallet reduced to zero or less and SP's to 400k or something. then give him a noob ship with civilian mods and 1 unit of trit and point him towards the tutorial missions. if thats the case, spending plex to get ur characters name, history and likeness back is ok i guess. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Psychoactive Stimulant
84
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:53:00 -
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Don't try to quote someone's own rulebook to them. It never turns out well.
Also, you're dumb. I'm sure you've heard the phrase "fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me."
Well, the fact that you're even showing your disgusting botting face around this part of town means that either:
A.) You've changed your f*uckhead botting ways and have turned over a new leaf.
or
B.) You have several months worth of plex on your bot toon and you want to cash it in cause the market is inflated.
Which is more likely????
Go hide in a hole somewhere, scum. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
485
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:43:00 -
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I can't bring myself to support even the slightest relaxation of the (already to light) consequences for botters. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Cloak n'all
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:58:00 -
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If you really did want to trade characters for isk, you would not have even mentioned botting in this forum. As botting (from reading your first post) seams like your over all goal in being able to get characters out of bans and that you are quoting botting rules, I would go out on a limb here and say this:
ABSOLUTELY NO ONE WILL SUPPORT THIS THREAD!!
All the personal attacks up top are a little uncalled for as it seams CCP has already banned your account though. |
Kretan
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:28:00 -
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Okay since I seem to be confusing a lot of people here I will redirect my argument and answer all questions.
Noxisia Arkana - first I never mentioned anything about permanent banned accounts being able to trade characters. How do you figure permanent banned accounts would be able to use a year of game time? I'm talking about the accounts that have fallen under the first ban of thirty days that also takes away the ability to transfer characters. As the second offense gets you a permanent ban.
Daichi Yamato - I don't see how the assets would be a problem as you would still have access to and be able to log on the character. So not really sure what you mean by this. If you are talking about permanent banned accounts that is not what I am trying to discuss.
Psychoactive Stimulant - If I still had a bunch of plexes on my account I could still use them as my account has not been permanent banned please read before you place an arguement. Also in the OP I will post it in big bold letters at the top.
Samillian - Okay thats fine but could you put a reason as for why not?
Cloak n'all - No my account isn't under a ban as I don't think I could still post if it was. Actually this was the suggestion a CCP member mention to me. But apparently people don't know the rules regarding botting so I will update my post so you guys can understand. |
Endovior
Osmosis Inc Li3 Federation
228
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Posted - 2014.04.08 03:47:00 -
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Kretan wrote:Actually this was the suggestion a CCP GM mentioned to me.
Ah, one of these threads. Thanks, that makes more sense, now.
As I understand it, one of the standard CCP petition responses goes something along the lines of "There's actually nothing we are going to do about this, but feel free to whine about it on the forums". Nicer wording. The implication is that they might presumably change their stance, given popular opinion pressure, but the subtext is "Don't hold your breath".
It's clear that you've had a petition denied recently. Sucks to be you, I guess; there's not going to be popular opinion in favor of overturning that ruling, so a policy change in your favor is unlikely. Keep complaining as you like, but again... don't hold your breath. |
Kretan
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:22:00 -
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Your right to a degree it maybe complaining but that's not why I put this up. I put this post up to see if anyone could tell me why there isn't something in place like this? And no one has given a even reasonable answer short of we hate botters and a lot of it just seems to be bandwagoning. All though Endovior I really wasn't surprised by that once I saw you were in Li3. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
5143
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:33:00 -
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Counter proposal; permanent IP bans for anyone caught bottling. No appeals process.
Bots are the scourge of gaming and should be stamped out without mercy. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Gigan Amilupar
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
210
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:33:00 -
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Kretan wrote:Your right to a degree it maybe complaining but that's not why I put this up. I put this post up to see if anyone could tell me why there isn't something in place like this? And no one has given a even reasonable answer short of we hate botters and a lot of it just seems to be bandwagoning. All though Endovior I really wasn't surprised by that once I saw you were in Li3.
Well, the reason why something like this isn't in place is exactly because we hate botters and don't want to do anything to possibly make it easier or less punishing for them in any regard. That's it, really. |
Kretan
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:45:00 -
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Gigan Amilupar wrote:Kretan wrote:Your right to a degree it maybe complaining but that's not why I put this up. I put this post up to see if anyone could tell me why there isn't something in place like this? And no one has given a even reasonable answer short of we hate botters and a lot of it just seems to be bandwagoning. All though Endovior I really wasn't surprised by that once I saw you were in Li3. Well, the reason why something like this isn't in place is exactly because we hate botters and don't want to do anything to possibly make it easier or less punishing for them in any regard. That's it, really.
Okay how does it make it easier to continue botting? I understand the punishment part but it just pushes people to start new accounts rather then giving any reason to continue using their current account. While my thing would give them a reason to continue to use that account vs starting a new one. I have basically cancelled all of my non main account and started new ones so I could do character trading which really is a waste. |
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Kretan
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:49:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Counter proposal; permanent IP bans for anyone caught bottling. No appeals process.
Bots are the scourge of gaming and should be stamped out without mercy.
You do realize most IP address change every couple of days so when you permanently ban an IP an account could get banned for just being moved to a banned IP address. And without an appeals process you would lose some players and you would probably end up with a bad public image which ccp already has a problem with. Also ccp or the company they have overseeing the serenity server allow botting so it must not be all bad...
So for this post I am going to have to put you up with the first guy that posted in this thread and call you a moron. Have a good day and feel free to slam the door on the way out. |
Kretan
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:51:00 -
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Please continue posting as some of these posts are very entertaining...although I wish more of them actually made a point besides we hate botters. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
486
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Posted - 2014.04.08 08:32:00 -
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Kretan wrote:Samillian - Okay thats fine but could you put a reason as for why not?
Any relaxation of the already overly soft and lenient system already in place will just send the wrong signals to EvEs botters.
Botters degrade the game by their presence, making a mockery of the efforts of those who do actually play the game as intended. On top of that anything that gives succour to the RMT should be stamped out with extreme prejudice.
Maybe that is an old fashioned and clich+¬d point of view but there you go, you asked. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1116
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Posted - 2014.04.08 14:04:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
10. Discussion of warnings and bans is prohibited.
Such matters shall remain private between CCP and the involved user. Questions or comments concerning warnings and bans will be conveyed through email or private messaging. CCP respect the right of our players to privacy and as such you are not permitted to publicize private correspondence (including petition responses and emails) received from any of the aforementioned parties.
The above stated rule 10 regards in this case to specific warnings/bans and/or accusations of having received warnings/bans. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
1936
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Posted - 2014.04.08 14:08:00 -
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I hope every permabanned botter has 500 PLEX and 100bn ISK on their account, just in case CCP ever has a dire need for "emergency resources" to cool an out-of-control economy with. |
Kretan
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.08 19:05:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:I hope every permabanned botter has 500 PLEX and 100bn ISK on their account, just in case CCP ever has a dire need for "emergency resources" to cool an out-of-control economy with.
How does this apply to anything that has been said? I stated in the top in big bold letters this has nothing to do with permanent bans. So can I make that any clearer to you? Also can you please stay on topic? |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3831
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Posted - 2014.04.08 19:47:00 -
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First off, this is what I think you are saying, but you go about it in a befuddling manner.
Quote:Proposal: Allow a Banned Account to be active for 1 year, after which point they can transfer characters from that banned account to a new account.
1.) Who would pay for 1 year of activity on a banned account? That makes no sense, unless the assets and characters on that account are worth quite a bit of value.
2.) Why? If the account was permabanned, then leave it permabanned. What are you trying to accomplish with this asinine exception to the rule?
At the end of the day, it sounds like you want to "limit" how much harm you can do to an account that is botting. It sounds like a very valuable account should have their punishment limited to a 1-yr-of-plex value lost and a 1-yr-account stasis period. I see no reason for this change.
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Kretan
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.09 00:52:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:First off, this is what I think you are saying, but you go about it in a befuddling manner. Quote:Proposal: Allow a Banned Account to be active for 1 year, after which point they can transfer characters from that banned account to a new account. 1.) Who would pay for 1 year of activity on a banned account? That makes no sense, unless the assets and characters on that account are worth quite a bit of value. 2.) Why? If the account was permabanned, then leave it permabanned. What are you trying to accomplish with this asinine exception to the rule? At the end of the day, it sounds like you want to "limit" how much harm you can do to an account that is botting. It sounds like a very valuable account should have their punishment limited to a 1-yr-of-plex value lost and a 1-yr-account stasis period. I see no reason for this change.
Please read the first two lines of my post please. It has nothing to do with permabanned accounts as I have said multiple times. |
Kretan
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.09 01:03:00 -
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Samillian wrote:Kretan wrote:Samillian - Okay thats fine but could you put a reason as for why not? Any relaxation of the already overly soft and lenient system already in place will just send the wrong signals to EvEs botters. Botters degrade the game by their presence, making a mockery of the efforts of those who do actually play the game as intended. On top of that anything that gives succour to the RMT should be stamped out with extreme prejudice. Maybe that is an old fashioned and clich+¬d point of view but there you go, you asked.
It's not really a relaxation of rules because you can still be permanently banned. But does give people a reason to continue not to bot because if you were caught within that year period you would still end up permanently banned just like normal.
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Adrie Atticus
Unicorn Love Hurts
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Posted - 2014.04.09 10:18:00 -
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Counter-proposal:
Permanent ban on first botting offence. |
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