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Disastro
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.04.09 11:41:00 -
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Maximus Martinus wrote:I'm still a relatively new citizen after 5 months of EVE so would be grateful for any helpful comments. In that time I've accumulated just enough isk to order and equip my first Battleship with not much to spare and enough sp to make the move up to L4 missions.
For the third time in as many L3 missions in high sec, single player pirates with negative sec. status warp in and start destroying my loot. Today's scumbag also popped my 5 million isk mtu plus contents. When I asked why, the response was "dunno - wasn't really worth it". I assume this provocation is to get me to open fire so his pals can jump in, pod me and pick up whatever drops.
Is there anything practical in the game mechanics I can do to deter or prevent this?
Please don't respond with "EVE is all about PvP" or "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em". If I want to try PvP I'll do it when I'm ready and rich enough to lose a fleet of ships.
A bit ticked off
MM
Your best bet is to move your place of missioning away from one of the major mission hub areas to somewhere more remote. While i realize that missioners tend to congregate at mission hubs that offer several level 4 agents of one type this also tends to bring all the griefers to that same area for the same reasons. If you run your missions in a less populated area chances are high that the griefers wont be there in numbers either. |
Desny Krtek
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.04.09 11:48:00 -
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What company do you plan to run missions for? There is a big difference between running L4 missions in Ignebaener and in Auvergne if you work for Federal Intelligence Office, for example. Use dotlam map to find the spot with least "NPC killed in last 24 hours" L4 mission hub of your company. I seriosly doubt anyone will wait for your MTU in Foves or Heorah...
If you do SoE L4 missions, there is no safe place. But you can use micro jump drive. Just make sure you always 100 km from your MTU. If somone starts shooting it - you can be there in 10 seconds and scope it.
Bastion Arzi wrote:op contact me in game and i will try to help you. Just make sure you do not join corporation with ppl you can not trust. Members of the same corp can kill each other without concord. "Mission BLITZ" corp is a good example of ppl, that laught at those, who trust them. |
Bastion Arzi
Failed Diplomacy Failed-Diplomacy
97
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Posted - 2014.04.09 13:55:00 -
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im not asking the guy to join my corp. simply offering some help |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
854
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Posted - 2014.04.09 15:11:00 -
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Remember when you were younger and you played fine games like 'just the tip' and 'hide the sausage'?
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Here is our opus, published for the first time for those interested in shooting a carebear in the face without going 'full pvp'.
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Glorious!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
618
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:25:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Remember when you were younger and you played fine games like 'just the tip' and 'hide the sausage'? Well now you can re-live those fond memories in EvE, by experimenting with piracy in hisec in a risk free way! Here is our opus, published for the first time for those interested in shooting a carebear in the face without going 'full pvp'. Its easy and its FUN! Your ambassadors of HTFU are proud to publish this manifesto, as for every single carebear that self-educates to preserve himself with its contents, ten more will fill his place (and our body bags), and ten more will use it to murder others! Glorious! F if you set this guy to neutral (given his blog, you probably should), it looks like he's being scolded by a grey square... Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
30
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:40:00 -
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This is one of the worst "features" of eve as it heavily favours the harasser. If someone shows up in your mission best thing to do is grab what you can a gtfo, what ever you do not shoot them, ever!
I know it's frustrating that the only counter play is to not play but when they get to fit a warp scram and you don't you're only playing for the tie anyway. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
618
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:49:00 -
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derp, never mind. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Amyclas Amatin
xX-Crusader-Xx Li3 Federation
223
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Posted - 2014.04.11 01:36:00 -
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I must say that your concept of being ready for pvp is upside down. In any other mmo you could level up, gear up, and prepare your resources for conflict. In EVE, you must fight for your right to hold on to any resources whatsoever. If you insist on staying as an unwilling victim, you will become very very frustrated.
However, the solution to surviving pvp is less often technical, in what to fly in or what to fit, but more often social, in who has your back and can help protect you. A noob without friends he can trust in a universe where you can't trust anyone is a very poor position to be in. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2528
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Posted - 2014.04.11 02:53:00 -
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Desny Krtek wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:op contact me in game and i will try to help you. Just make sure you do not join corporation with ppl you can not trust. Members of the same corp can kill each other without concord. "Mission BLITZ" corp is a good example of ppl, that laught at those, who trust them.
Yep.
I also keep this corp name because it makes me look harmless when I go suicide ganking (unlike the old "Ganknam Style" ticker I had, or "Compulsory Euthanasia"), but this corp was created as a trap for an incursion runner and worked.
Don't trust anyone in EVE unless you are sleeping with them in real life.
But that doesn't mean don't ever join a player corp. What you want to do is keep the possibility of corpmate betrayal in the back of your mind, make yourself an unappealing target for it, and have the target think that betraying you has real consequences that outweigh any potential gains.
I do business with a few of the EVE market people, and I always structure deals so that they are better off if they do not betray me (long term) than if they do. On this basis I have been able to be involved in unsecured, profitable transactions of over a billion ISK on a few occasions. Look up my contract history with the character Maxx Run if you want to see what I mean there. I never totally trusted that guy (and I'm sure he never trusted me), but we structured our arrangements so that there was no really good time to slip a knife in the back for either of us. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2528
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Posted - 2014.04.11 02:57:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote:This is one of the worst "features" of eve as it heavily favours the harasser. If someone shows up in your mission best thing to do is grab what you can a gtfo, what ever you do not shoot them, ever!
I know it's frustrating that the only counter play is to not play but when they get to fit a warp scram and you don't you're only playing for the tie anyway.
Edit: one helpful tip i can give you that i didn't see mentioned. Most mission items are sold via the market or contracts, be sure to check first before being extorted for a completion item.
Mission invasion rules favor the missioner over the pirate.
Anyone - friend, foe, neutral - can warp into the mission pocket and assist the missioner by applying damage or EWAR to the pirate with no consequence. The pirate's allies cannot do this. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
510
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:53:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Don't trust anyone in EVE unless you are sleeping with them in real life.
You clearly pick your associations differently than I do, the last time I had an SO that also played Eve trying to get each other killed repeatedly was pretty much all we did for a couple of weeks.
People that don't know you will blow you up for tears or loot. People that know you will blow you up because it's funny. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
434
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:37:00 -
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Lost Greybeard wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Don't trust anyone in EVE unless you are sleeping with them in real life. You clearly pick your associations differently than I do, the last time I had an SO that also played Eve trying to get each other killed repeatedly was pretty much all we did for a couple of weeks. People that don't know you will blow you up for tears or loot. People that know you will blow you up because it's funny. I totally agree with this. Its been a tradition for me to tackle a corp mate for ransom whenever we fleet together. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1258
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:48:00 -
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There's another option as well, but it's not really mainstream.
Use the 'abandon all wrecks' option
it's not perfect, and it does have a downside if your a looter/salvager yourself if they were looking for a fight, they lose one option but if they are only there to salvage, there's a good chance they'll thank you & possibly send you a cut of the proceeds
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Maxx Run
Maxx Run Blueprint Services
26
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:03:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Look up my contract history with the character Maxx Run if you want to see what I mean there - we structured our arrangements so that there was no really good time to slip a knife in the back for either of us.
Confirmed!! I do disagree slightly though, call me old fashioned but i really do believe that trust can be earned and not burned. I have close EvE associates that i have known on and off for a decade. I have trusted some with >20B so they can take advantage of decent deals or sort themselves out. There is no defense against a well prepared con artist however, just like real life i s'pose. I always trust my gut, though it is easier to deceive online (no eye contact for a start). For the record, i have been scammed, BB got me a good one a few years back, that was because greed got the better of me. I became distant from the investment and didn't see the signs. We sell high ME - Sub-Cap Ship, Mod, Rig and Ammo BPC's - All at great prices!
The best in the game, we were genetically engineered for this work!! |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2805
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:37:00 -
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Maxx Run wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Look up my contract history with the character Maxx Run if you want to see what I mean there - we structured our arrangements so that there was no really good time to slip a knife in the back for either of us. Confirmed!! I do disagree slightly though, call me old fashioned but i really do believe that trust can be earned and not burned. I have close EvE associates that i have known on and off for a decade. I have trusted some with >20B so they can take advantage of decent deals or sort themselves out. There is no defense against a well prepared con artist however, just like real life i s'pose. I always trust my gut, though it is easier to deceive online (no eye contact for a start). For the record, i have been scammed, BB got me a good one a few years back, that was because greed got the better of me. I became distant from the investment and didn't see the signs.
There are absolutely defenses against con artists, even the good ones.
Like I said, I never 100% trusted you, so I started our dealings small, willing to accept that you might run off with 50-60m of BPCs and materials. You didn't, so I increased the size of the transactions slowly, so that at every stage the prospect of future work was worth more than what you could steal. (It does help that you are building things for me that are at such a large markup, where the BPCs plus the material cost is less than half the price of the final product).
Were I to get into producing heavy interdictors (a market I keep an eye on but have never entered, and where the potential for theft is larger), I would structure a collateralized approach with you.
As for how to defend against con artists - it is a very, very small percentage of the population that can tell undetectable lies. I'm good at lying from my poker days and can fool most people, but I'm not undetectable. Get the person you are considering dealing with on voice chat, and try to catch them out. Set the universe on fire - then sell the survivors ash. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Alliria Seedspawn
nul-li-fy The Marmite Collective
75
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Posted - 2014.05.06 17:34:00 -
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As someone who use to do this, the counter to us is simple. Ignore us.
We can't do anything to you until you take offensive action against us. If you ignore us and just continue with your mission, we can't touch you. We may try to troll you or target you, but you need to shoot first. If you don't shoot, we can't shoot either.
One thing that always deterred me is when they would blue the room. That told me that they know I'm here, and they aren't going to shoot. I would always move onto the next target right away whenever someone blue'd the room. I wasn't interested in your loot - only your hull.
It's a totally different scenario if a war target jumps into your mission though... |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
255
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:28:00 -
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Quote: If I want to try PvP I'll do it when I'm ready and rich enough to lose a fleet of ships.
This is not how Eve Online works. You have committed a non-sequitur right out of the gate. You have come to a PvP game, then demand it not be so until you personally feel ready. There are many games like that, but Eve Online is not one of them. No amount of tantrum throwing and ignoring 'this is the game you chose to play' will change that fact. Sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling blah blah blah will not change game mechanics.
An all too common problem with gamers is that they think once they begin to play something, the entire game should be altered to accommodate them. Few people seem to actually want to play Eve Online, just some small sliver of it to the total exclusion of all else. Many of us, though, came to Eve and simply adapted to the game world we joined. It's far easier now than at any other time in Eve's history....yet those of us with more than a week in the game have managed to survive when Eve was all sharp and pointy. Others are just not up to the task. |
Alliria Seedspawn
nul-li-fy The Marmite Collective
76
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:44:00 -
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Alaric Faelen wrote: You have come to a PvP game
Gah - this overused argument drives me nuts. What am I missing that says this is a pvp game with industrialists only here to support pvp'rs as opposed to this being an industrialist game with pvp only here to support the industrialists? Maybe it's neither. But pvp and industry have a symbiotic relationship. Neither can survive without the other.
If this was a pvp game, then industry wouldn't exist at all, and ships and fittings would be free. Think call of duty or battlefield. Different weapons that need to be unlocked before they can be used, but are free and infinite after unlocking.
This is a pvp game... No - this is an open world game that, among other things, has pvp in it. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
5384
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:04:00 -
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Alliria Seedspawn wrote:Alaric Faelen wrote: You have come to a PvP game Gah - this overused argument drives me nuts. What am I missing that says this is a pvp game with industrialists only here to support pvp'rs as opposed to this being an industrialist game with pvp only here to support the industrialists? Maybe it's neither. But pvp and industry have a symbiotic relationship. Neither can survive without the other. If this was a pvp game, then industry wouldn't exist at all, and ships and fittings would be free. Think call of duty or battlefield. Different weapons that need to be unlocked before they can be used, but are free and infinite after unlocking. This is a pvp game... No - this is an open world game that, among other things, has pvp in it. Pro-tip: industry is PvP but in a different form.
If someone mines a rock, they are denying someone else the ability to mine that rock. When someone sells something, they increase supply and devalue everyone else's product. When someone farms missions and anomalies for NPC bounties, the ISK of everyone else is devalued.
People who do PvE and industry affect the efforts of those who PvP for better or worse (through the market). So the game allows for PvPers to affect PvEers/Industrialists just as much in their own way (see: blowing them up in space).
tl;dr: EVE is a multi-faceted PvP game. As long as you have different players with different agendas and goals there will be competition and conflict against one another. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
482
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:17:00 -
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Maximus Martinus wrote:
Please don't respond with "EVE is all about PvP"
MM
This is like posting that you're having trouble balancing your check book and then asking people not to respond with anything about arithmetic. |
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
938
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:28:00 -
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Maximus Martinus wrote:I'm still a relatively new citizen after 5 months of EVE so would be grateful for any helpful comments. In that time I've accumulated just enough isk to order and equip my first Battleship with not much to spare and enough sp to make the move up to L4 missions.
For the third time in as many L3 missions in high sec, single player pirates with negative sec. status warp in and start destroying my loot. Today's scumbag also popped my 5 million isk mtu plus contents. When I asked why, the response was "dunno - wasn't really worth it". I assume this provocation is to get me to open fire so his pals can jump in, pod me and pick up whatever drops.
Is there anything practical in the game mechanics I can do to deter or prevent this?
Please don't respond with "EVE is all about PvP" or "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em". If I want to try PvP I'll do it when I'm ready and rich enough to lose a fleet of ships.
A bit ticked off
MM Nothing to prevent it, no.
However, his pals can't jump in and destroy you (without suiciding), if you open fire only on the single player who is stealing your sh!t or blapping your MTU you have a limited engagement with that guy only.
Fit a warp disruptor or warp scrambler and blast the impudent pirate, his buddies can NOT shoot you also unless you shoot them first.
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Would you like to know more? |
Alliria Seedspawn
nul-li-fy The Marmite Collective
76
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:40:00 -
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They can't engage him, but a popular tactic is to have the buddies arrive in logi boats and rep their buddy. Now you're at a stale mate. He has you pointed so you can't run, and you can't kill him because he's so small and has reps. If you shoot the logi to try to force him off the field, the logi will likely grab point on you, another logi will come in as a replacement logi, and the original toon will ship up and pop you.
Your best course of action is to ignore these folks. They can't do a thing to you unless you swing first. And if you swing, you're likely going down. |
Chicken Exroofer
Regional Assault and Recon
6
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:31:00 -
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Ignoring the mission troll, while scooping your mtu, is option A.
Jumping in to the next room that you know has scram npcs, then sitting there and tanking the damage until the harrasser jumps in, gets primaried because he is far squishier than you, and gets popped by the npcs is option B.
Be sure to loot his wreck, and thank him kindly for the loot. If at no point did you shoot him, or drone him, he will not have kill rights on you.
If you do even one point of damage to him as npcs kill him, he will.
And kill rights can be shared with the entire universe. |
Alliria Seedspawn
nul-li-fy The Marmite Collective
77
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:15:00 -
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There would be no kill right if he shot at the invader as the invader would likely be suspect, though the shot would create a limited engagement, allowing the invader to shoot back. And npc's don't switch targets based on squishness, but rather on a threat assessment. The smaller npcs would likely switch to the invader while the big npcs stayed on the battleship mission runner. |
Bael Malefic
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
91
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:49:00 -
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This may not be an option for you yet, but I run L4 missions using two accounts:
1 is flying a PVE fit battleship. Not too blingy. But I put some tackle on it and a large smartbomb.
The other is a short warp away in a PVP fit HAC or similar.
Basically, I am using the BS as bait. |
Alliria Seedspawn
nul-li-fy The Marmite Collective
77
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:48:00 -
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Bael Malefic wrote:This may not be an option for you yet, but I run L4 missions using two accounts:
1 is flying a PVE fit battleship. Not too blingy. But I put some tackle on it and a large smartbomb.
The other is a short warp away in a PVP fit HAC or similar.
Basically, I am using the BS as bait.
I love it!
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
527
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Posted - 2014.05.07 22:03:00 -
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Bael Malefic wrote:This may not be an option for you yet, but I run L4 missions using two accounts:
1 is flying a PVE fit battleship. Not too blingy. But I put some tackle on it and a large smartbomb.
The other is a short warp away in a PVP fit HAC or similar.
Basically, I am using the BS as bait.
I considered doing that, but thought it would take too long to get a bite. What do you do to try to get people to bait you? New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Alliria Seedspawn
nul-li-fy The Marmite Collective
77
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Posted - 2014.05.07 22:08:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
I considered doing that, but thought it would take too long to get a bite. What do you do to try to get people to bait you?
Mission in high mission systems where there are lots of folks. If there are suspects in these systems, it's likely that baiting is actively taking place. Go to your mission, don't blitz it, and wait.
"Build it and they will come"
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Bael Malefic
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
94
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Posted - 2014.05.08 08:45:00 -
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Alliria Seedspawn wrote:
Mission in high mission systems where there are lots of folks. If there are suspects in these systems, it's likely that baiting is actively taking place. Go to your mission, don't blitz it, and wait.
"Build it and they will come"
Here is a typical profile:
1. Drop an MTU at warp in 2. MJD away, drop some sentrys to get the action going, but mostly just tank and wait. I might want the rats to do some of the killing for me. 3. As soon as the invader jumps in, MJD back to the warp in, tackle if possible, bring in the HAC if necessary
If you are doing this in popular L4 mission systems that are crowded, you can almost be assured of a mission invader showing up within a few minutes of arrival but be patient.
Use your D-Scan periodically, set range threshold to something like 1AU. If you see combat scan probes, you know somebody is likely to be on the way.
Remember, you are not actually mission running in this instance...you are fishing and using the mission as bait :-) |
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