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CaptainSeafort	Posted - 2006.05.09 23:36:00 - [1] Edited by: CaptainSeafort on 09/05/2006 23:37:24 Edited by: CaptainSeafort on 09/05/2006 23:36:55 hey, ive got a mild red-greeen colour defect - but its enough that when the background is a deep blue or green, or a bright, pale colour, that i often have trouble seeing whether modules are on or off with any ease whatsoever. now, im not demanding hot-pink buttons for everyone, but a seperate optional client patch to put an inverse-colour (to the background) ring around active modules or something would be massively helpful to meand the thousands of other people who probly have a problem with this to some extent. anyway, i know its never gunna happen, but heres me throwing in my 2 cents xD "Planets and moons no longer hitch rides on player ships. Their towel privileges have been revoked." HHGG Lives on in EVE!
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.05.09 23:39:00 - [2] You could try messing with your graphic card's color options to see if you can, eh, "manipulate" them to have more contrast [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.05.09 23:39:00 - [3] Edited by: Raven Aure on 09/05/2006 23:38:59 It's amazing how many games/websites/public places don't accomodate colourblindess when it affects such a large percentage of the population. But you're right. It's probably not going to happen ______________________ Originally by: Jim McGregor Most people are in write-mode only in these forums 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron OMGHI2U Kieron - Eshtir Eshtir, you stole my colour! - Vanamonde I wanna play - Petwraith
CaptainSeafort	Posted - 2006.05.09 23:40:00 - [4] Edited by: CaptainSeafort on 09/05/2006 23:40:39 its not a big enough problem to do myself - but as im currently missioning around Cat/Vale, that big whitey gas nebula on the dark bluey background really farks me over =P PS, once again: i am only mildly colour defective, not colour blind - i shudder to think how they cope with eve >.< "Planets and moons no longer hitch rides on player ships. Their towel privileges have been revoked." HHGG Lives on in EVE!
chillz	Posted - 2006.05.09 23:43:00 - [5] Could do with looking at the overview too, any system with bright areas of the background can easily make the overview unreadable. ----------------------------------- A gun and a packet of sandwiches. "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S Thompson
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.05.09 23:51:00 - [6] If you set the game to widescreen mode there will be a black strip behind the interface. ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.09 23:52:00 - [7] wow just never thought of that o_0 prob the same for the devs. hope this gets implemented! ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Jinx Barker	Posted - 2006.05.10 00:00:00 - [8] Actually I have problems with my eyes as well, gotten really bad lately, and I have spoken with Traveler (our favourite GUI/UI Guy)long while ago in another thread, and he said he will look into the problem of making active/inactive modules more visible in full screen mode, as well as perhaps making them more accesible. It would be nice if he poped by and mentioned anything on the progress.
Algey	Posted - 2006.05.10 08:51:00 - [9] Originally by: Raven Aure Edited by: Raven Aure on 09/05/2006 23:38:59 It's amazing how many games/websites/public places don't accomodate colourblindess when it affects such a large percentage of the population. But you're right. It's probably not going to happen Actually when it comes to websites and public places they are in breach of the disability discrimination act, and you can demand that they change it. As for games there hasn't been a test case that I know of yet, however a game is a service, and all reasonable steps must be taken to make services accessible, so I expect it would be a guaranteed win. Check the Royal National Institute for the Blinds website for more details.
Ather Ialeas	Posted - 2006.05.10 08:59:00 - [10] I'm also partly red-green color defect and I have the same problem so I must sign this request. As an interesting side note, I love the look of Amarr ships because all the yellow/orange/sepia color tones are really vivid for my eyes
Biltic Creen	Posted - 2006.05.10 09:14:00 - [11] Edited by: Biltic Creen on 10/05/2006 09:16:43 Edited by: Biltic Creen on 10/05/2006 09:16:03 ive got a heavy red-greeen colour defect, so for me it¦s mostly guessing if the module is on or off. if it wouldnt blink a little bit i¦d never know [Edit] I also set the "red blinking guys" to blue blinking - i died too many times cause i didnt see the darn red color ______________________________
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.10 09:34:00 - [12] How common is color blindness? --- The Eve Wiki Project
SonOTassadar	Posted - 2006.05.10 10:24:00 - [13] I'm partially colorblind, as well, and the stars I see by my corpmates look exactly the same as the stars I see for war targets on the overview. It's....a problem, to say the least. I wish corp stars on the overview were blue and war targets were orange -- very, very different colors. Even if you are colorblind, you can see the diference between a light(ish) color and a dark color. ___________________________
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.05.10 10:29:00 - [14] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/05/2006 10:30:12 Originally by: Jim McGregor How common is color blindness? 8% of males and 0.4 of females are color blind. Originally by: SonOTassadar I'm partially colorblind, as well, and the stars I see by my corpmates look exactly the same as the stars I see for war targets on the overview. It's....a problem, to say the least. I wish corp stars on the overview were blue and war targets were orange -- very, very different colors. Even if you are colorblind, you can see the diference between a light(ish) color and a dark color. Solution: 1. Use different background colors to show war targets and corpmembers apart. OR 2. Remove corpmembers from overview. AND/OR 3. Show the tag for one of them, but not the other (to avoid being zapped by the overview bug) [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.10 10:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Dark Shikari 8% of males and 0.4 of females are color blind. Guess i could have checked that myself. Anyway, im surprised its that many. Ive never met somebody that has told me they are color blind. But I guess it doesnt come up in a general discussion. --- The Eve Wiki Project
SonOTassadar	Posted - 2006.05.10 10:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/05/2006 10:30:12 Originally by: SonOTassadar I'm partially colorblind, as well, and the stars I see by my corpmates look exactly the same as the stars I see for war targets on the overview. It's....a problem, to say the least. I wish corp stars on the overview were blue and war targets were orange -- very, very different colors. Even if you are colorblind, you can see the diference between a light(ish) color and a dark color. Solution: 1. Use different background colors to show war targets and corpmembers apart. OR 2. Remove corpmembers from overview. AND/OR 3. Show the tag for one of them, but not the other (to avoid being zapped by the overview bug) What will doing #1 do? I don't want to remove my corpmembers from the ovewview, and I've never had a problem with the overview bug (but I do know what it is) ___________________________
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.05.10 10:44:00 - [17] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/05/2006 10:45:06 Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Dark Shikari 8% of males and 0.4 of females are color blind. Guess i could have checked that myself. Anyway, im surprised its that many. Ive never met somebody that has told me they are color blind. But I guess it doesnt come up in a general discussion. Very few are so color blind that they see the world in only black and white. Mostly its a weakness in distinguishing between colors. In fact, you can make yourself temporarily color blind for a few minutes to see what I mean. Get a few slips of colored paper, or markers, or anything with bright colors. Now go into a dark room (like a closed bathroom) and wait for about 3-5 minutes. Your eyes will eventually adjust to the dark, and then your rods ("dark vision") will activate. Now mix up the markers/paper and identify the color on each. Then turn on the lights and check your accuracy Originally by: SonOTassadar Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/05/2006 10:30:12 Originally by: SonOTassadar I'm partially colorblind, as well, and the stars I see by my corpmates look exactly the same as the stars I see for war targets on the overview. It's....a problem, to say the least. I wish corp stars on the overview were blue and war targets were orange -- very, very different colors. Even if you are colorblind, you can see the diference between a light(ish) color and a dark color. Solution: 1. Use different background colors to show war targets and corpmembers apart. OR 2. Remove corpmembers from overview. AND/OR 3. Show the tag for one of them, but not the other (to avoid being zapped by the overview bug) What will doing #1 do? I don't want to remove my corpmembers from the ovewview, and I've never had a problem with the overview bug (but I do know what it is) Wartargets = red, corpmates = green, I assume you're red/green colorblind. Make wartargets red and corpmates blue, problem solved [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Syrec	Posted - 2006.05.10 10:55:00 - [18] You must have quite some trouble on christmas
Gibmundur	Posted - 2006.05.10 11:02:00 - [19] I always have the widescreen mode on, it helps with seeing if the modules are on or not, no idea if im colorblind or not but it helps me see if the modules are online
Alliaanna Dalaii	Posted - 2006.05.10 11:04:00 - [20] DENIED !!! This will completely ruin my longstanding excuse of being partially colourblind for shooting friendlies Alliaanna Oh and Arma if you read this.. I am colourblind I swear Official Follower of =-= Royal Hiigaran Navy =-=
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.05.10 11:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Dark Shikari Wartargets = red, corpmates = green, I assume you're red/green colorblind. Make wartargets red and corpmates blue, problem solved Or make wartargets flashing red and corp members just normal green, that way shoot stuff that flashes ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
CaptainSeafort	Posted - 2006.05.10 15:50:00 - [22] yeah - a seperate patch which made enemies flash, and online modules pulse quite quickly compared to an offlining module pulsing veery slowly - i know there is a frequency difference between the two, but picking it out quickly is difficult - especially if i have a block of modules that are all doing the same thing. and yes - colour defects or colourblindness are quite a common thing - more common among men merely being because ALL men and women have slightly different perceptions of colours (most emphasised around the aquamarine/turquoisey area - men see things as more bluey), and it was originally calibrated to a womans sight. so ya, there are two blocks of "colour perfect" people, and then the big chunks of people who deviate from this into "colour defect", or the severe deviations to "colour blindness" interesting story: my grand-dad flew in world war 2, with the merchant navy. on carriers, the planes land on the top deck, and then drive on to an elevator type thing, which displays a red light when down, and white when up (mebbe other way round, i forget xD) one day, his friend lands a plane, taxis it over, and drives it straight into the hole where the elevator should be - turns out he was completely colour blind, and couldnt tell that the lift was down oh, and i have some troubles with blacks on deep blues,and can confuse the orangey colour and the spring-yellowy/green colour of modules if im not paying attention - so atm, the blinking speed or bold outline system seems the best plan =) "Planets and moons no longer hitch rides on player ships. Their towel privileges have been revoked." HHGG Lives on in EVE!
D'onryu Shoqui	Posted - 2006.05.10 16:05:00 - [23] im partially colour blind aswell and its annoying to have to move my view around so the module buttons are over a light background so i can tell wether they are on or not no i dont want to play in widescreen mode! it feels to claustrophobic(SP?)
Saeris Tal'Urduar	Posted - 2006.05.10 16:50:00 - [24] I have problems with dull reds (rust red) they look brown, and dull greens look dark grey. Bright or vibrant/fluorescent greens and reds are no problem. But I see blues very vividly. Easy solution, just give us the abilty to pick the color of the flashing modules.
Firebreak	Posted - 2006.05.10 17:50:00 - [25] It's funny. I am not colorblind at all, but I too have difficulties determining whether the modules are active depending on what background is on the map. Quite often I have to rotate the camera just to make it easier. Fire -------------------- 5, 6, 7, 8! Who do we... uhhh.. I can't think of anything that rhymes with 8!
mazzilliu	Posted - 2006.05.10 18:14:00 - [26] if we had a patch that let us choose our own colors for this or that it would probably solve all this problem my boyfriend is a little color blind. he has trouble with purple/blueish colors and green/yellow/brown, i dont know what that type of color defect is called. i should ask him later how he sees eve, hes never mentioned it to me before, maybe its why he loses so many ships --------- Sig removed BEFORE the mods got to it bahaha -mazzilliu But we can play with it after. ~kieron that should be considered an exploit >[ -mazzilliu Exploit, what explot - Xorus
Jobie Thickburger	Posted - 2006.05.10 18:15:00 - [27] Edited by: Jobie Thickburger on 10/05/2006 18:25:07 "They Change Colors when their active" I say as I lock on and start attacking one of my corpmates thinking he is a war target.... Yup, The Colorblind guys out there are in arms! Give us our Multicolred screens.... Ok actually, Its not a huge enough problem out there to completly change the UI though, so I guess we are stuck with it... I'm going to try that Widescreen idea as mentioned above though, I didn't know you could move items to the cuttoff parts of the screen (would be nice to have my chat box off of the main screen ETC... EDIT: For those thats intrested... Colorblindess is more common in Men because its a sex linked trait, located on the X chromosome, and is a Recessive Gene. So, on the bright side: I am ColorStupid (Red-Gree/Blue-red (or vilot whatever)- My wife (one day) lets say has no history of Color Blindess There for ALL 100% of my children will have normal color vision, but the Girls WILL be carriers of the Colorblindess gene. So lets say I have 2 kids, one boy, one girl. My son's children would have (assuming his wife's family has no colorblindess in it) 100% chance of normal color vision, and it would not be passable among that family. My daughters children will be different though, Her children (assuming father is normal color vision) that are boys have a 50/50% chance of being color deficiant/blind, while the girls have a 25% chance of carring the gene, they would NOT be color blind. Now if the father is colorblind/deficient, then the Daughters May end up with colorblindness, with about a 50/50 chance, while the guys keep the origional 50/50 odds. I could go on but I won't New Mining Director- MGTTG
CaptainSeafort	Posted - 2006.05.10 19:14:00 - [28] Originally by: mazzilliu my boyfriend is a little color blind. he has trouble with purple/blueish colors and green/yellow/brown, i dont know what that type of color defect is called. its technically known as "Purpley-Bluish and Greeny-Yellow-Brown Blidnness" and asking how he sees it is redundant - its like asking a fish whether the orangey dawn colour it sees is different from the orangey dawn colour you see - we have grown up with our perception of colours like this (or with such a gradual change that we have acclimatized to it) that it is normal. sure, my idea of a striking orange may be more reddish than yours, but thats about the best answer you will get - probly (i just know someones gunna pop up with the exception to the rule xD) "Planets and moons no longer hitch rides on player ships. Their towel privileges have been revoked." HHGG Lives on in EVE!
mazzilliu	Posted - 2006.05.10 19:27:00 - [29] Edited by: mazzilliu on 10/05/2006 19:27:36 Originally by: CaptainSeafort Originally by: mazzilliu my boyfriend is a little color blind. he has trouble with purple/blueish colors and green/yellow/brown, i dont know what that type of color defect is called. its technically known as "Purpley-Bluish and Greeny-Yellow-Brown Blidnness" and asking how he sees it is redundant - its like asking a fish whether the orangey dawn colour it sees is different from the orangey dawn colour you see - we have grown up with our perception of colours like this (or with such a gradual change that we have acclimatized to it) that it is normal. sure, my idea of a striking orange may be more reddish than yours, but thats about the best answer you will get - probly (i just know someones gunna pop up with the exception to the rule xD) no like, he cant tell the difference between yellow and orange and some green things if they are the right hue, or purple and blue. he always calls purple things blue and doesnt know they are purple until i point it out to him, and then he just kind of looks at me funny. maybe i misunderstood your post and ended up repeating what you said... fascinating how different people can see things really differently. i wonder how the game looks to him --------- Sig removed BEFORE the mods got to it bahaha -mazzilliu But we can play with it after. ~kieron that should be considered an exploit >[ -mazzilliu Exploit, what explot - Xorus
Balid	Posted - 2006.05.10 19:31:00 - [30] Im red/green colour blind but i dont have that many problems it seems, the red lights to say a module is turning off is sometimes hard to distinguish with when it can be turnt back on which is a greay colour! Though with EVE i have less problems than with say WOW or DAOC which rely on colours to determine the level of the mobs, i attacked a high lvl mob when i thought it was a weak one >.<

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