future Goon scam recruitment officer spotted.

future Goon scam recruitment officer spotted.

You offer great value, perhaps you could put a price list in a Google Docs format like the other rental alliances do?

If you want pricing you can contact me or Pell in game, and get you pricing.
Also, you are being scammed if you aren't talking to a diplo that is in the alliance description.

O/ excited to hear all the offers.

Don't make me do work.

As this is essentially an offer for a permanent mercenary protection plan in a certain region of space, instead of an actual renting agreement for said region of space, this thread has been moved to Crime & Punishment.

Notwithstanding I would love to see more characters in the more quieter regions of k-space. So good luck in your endeavour.

Hey a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

Don't make me do work.

Not much different than NRDS NPC nullsec, only with charges.

Surely your joking

Hey a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

I live in Khanid solo and the original post didn't convice me to pay for what i'm doing without paying. I don't run level 5s but if i wanted i would join one of your corps and that's all.

That said, i wish you good luck with your business. Maybe this could work with small corps.

Seraph has presented interesting but not really feasible community development concepts in the past.

While idealistic, this one sounds more attainable and it mildly intrigues me at an academic level. It'll be curious to see how this plays out at the social engineering level. Good luck on the project!

Sociology Master?

Yes, and I'm doing an experiment on trust in communities. Send me any amount of isk and I'll double it!

And quite honestly it shouldn't convince you individually. Nobody can really do much to stop individual pilots from roaming through any low sec area. Had you been an actual corporation that wished to hold assets of value, the story would be different.

For corps/alliances interested, i'm not just offering a "pay us money, we'll blue you up while you're in Khanid." I'd actually like to develop the region as a whole by strengthening the groups that do decide to move in and work with us. Right now the entire lowsec of Khanid has maybe 100 people online. It's a very low population. I want to change that.

so how much rent are fat d paying you guys?

and

[ 2014.03.03 07:50:03 ] Pell Helix > You'll be learning quickly our word is always good.

funny man this pell. Enjoy repping your pos's.

Looking at your alliance's description: "..Q&A

- No we won't be blue with you."

It's a contradictory offer regarding to your alliance's policies.

Apart that point, with the upcoming summer changes I think it's a good idea to motivate some interest for non combat-pvp corps to settle in low-sec.

Seraph, your alliance leader's word is worth bugger all. everything you say should be taken with a grain of salt and not official policy.

Seraph, your alliance leader's word is worth bugger all. everything you say should be taken with a grain of salt and not official policy.

Discussing the credibility or lack thereof of the alliance is hardly off topic.

If you feel so strongly, and it seems that you do, I invite you to start a thread about the topic. Here is not the place.

Nothing. I just like them. CCCC

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starina_Novak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeOi4Sj7Irg



You can pretty much ignore the silliness that is our alliance description. Aside from the names there the rest should be taken with a grain of salt, not as official policy.

Crime and punishment is exactly the spot. Your thread is about agreements in khanid space. Which we had and you broke it. All entirely relevant to the topic at hand.

I would be lots more interested if I had more specifics, mainly on price. A Google Doc spreadsheet would be most welcome.

Issue is in 0.0 renting you have a price for each system. Since this sort of renting doesn't limit you to one system in that manner, it's impossible to just give you a number. I can't say "Abath is worth X." Payment is also a very fluid concept rather than a hard fee. I'm thinking of offering discounts per month based on alternate methods of payment. Maybe a member wants to buy a dread and if you provide it at a discount, part or all of the rental fee is dropped. Perhaps we need a bunch of materials hauled somewhere. Helping us would earn a discount. I prefer to do things in an "eastern market" manner where you haggle a bit over the price rather than the "western model" where the price is the price. That way both parties are interested in a discourse. Mail me to talk.

Erm, yay, somewhere new to go hunt carebears and syj (until they get bored and run off with any isk you are stupid enough to give them....

one thing you could do is like others suggested put a fee for system / constellation rented in a spreadsheet.... for instance this system over here has a few moons capable of being mined so i will charge XX (allowing for little bit of profit for the owners) and then so many asteroid belts so Y for that and oh theres a station here so that is a total of z= total rental fee .... rental corp makes isk as well as SYJ and if anyone is manufacturing/mining/moon mining/ratting where there not supposed to be then set them red and kill em and collect tears from that as well as KB buff

What happens when two of your "renters" have a falling out and become enemies of each other? Which one do you protect and which do you shoot? Or would you maintain neutrality and let them work it out themselves? I can't imagine you want to spend a large portion of your time mediating....

- possibly it's easier to just start up a corp yourself and charge the members a monthly fee - lowsec is much more accessible for newer players than nullsec (although I hear Goonswarm will accept a contract for all my stuff and not contract it back, for free)

one thing you could do is like others suggested put a fee for system / constellation rented in a spreadsheet....

I made offers like this to pirates I knew many months ago, but they were not interested in blueing me even if I paid them. The Khanid region then seemed like a good alternative as it was nice and quiet. Currently I am not interested, but perhaps after the summer expansion. I don't have access to a rorqual right now, so setting up a compression/safe POS in lowsec could be a very good alternative this summer. And it will allow more efficient refining.
- there needs to be a joint intel channel - safety is crucial and intel is key to that
- if I wanted to give this a go this summer I'd want a 'token' rent to start with (I'm thinking 200M for the first month) for me, some alts and maybe some people I can recruit for this venture, or something like a minimum amount for the corp (100M) plus a price per character (10M).
- I really like this idea and might be willing to try it just to see if it is viable, even if I'm going to be the guy paying for it
- possibly it's easier to just start up a corp yourself and charge the members a monthly fee - lowsec is much more accessible for newer players than nullsec (although I hear Goonswarm will transport all my stuff for free)
- Access to fleets could be a plus for some people. Many industrial players do like to join fleets for defending blue assets (POS/POCO) even if they don't like roams and gatecamps (PvP for the sake of PvP). Especially if you can offer experienced FCs.

I really don't know how I missed this gem of a thread until right now.

Let's do a quick rundown of the basic problems I see here:

1. Arrow Zero reason person you're paying isk too won't just run off with it.

2. Arrow No benefits of having the security of your own station. Want to stop reds from docking in your station? Too bad. Oh, and don't engage them first, the NPC sentry guns no one owns will shoot at you.

3. Arrow Space you cannot upgrade, nor can you stop people from just running whatever anoms/sites you're trying to run anyway.

4. Arrow If you are somehow stupid enough to pay for "renting", and violate your agreement, what are they going to do, lock your stuff in a station they can't control? Kick you out of the sov they don't own? Prevent you from renting offices?

5. Arrow Dozens of entities with POSes in many systems in Khanid, all of which can use them to stage and kill you.

A better solution would be to not pay anyone and just live there because no one can stop you.

Do you want to know why people don't rent lowsec? Because it's stupid to try and rent lowsec.

If you're insistent on paying someone to live in space though, just pay for you own system with several nullsec power blocks that you all know but I won't mention since I'm not going to pitch another service in this thread. At least then you get security, better space in every category, and stations with actual controlled access. Oh, and we can actually enforce our own sov claims. You can literally get everything you could possibly want, and with prices VASTLY below what this snake oil thread is trying to pitch you for. Systems are available (with stations) for 2b or less in some cases, with vastly less PVP traffic and superior PVE economics in every category.

Ouch. Talk about bitter. Sorry we didn't want to be your friend. I'm not sure how you can claim a lower price when you don't know what the charges are. I guess you're missing the point though. This isn't for your 0.0 indy types. Lowsec is for corps/alliances that want to do more than that.

Since you started off with it -- I really don't care about your standings. The moons are back in N3, so I got what I wanted. Your insistence on trying to contract our diplos is just amusing, along with your comment about talking to vince (lol). Your conversations might be getting ignored because we simply don't care.

I'll refute your first point again:

My post really wasn't a personal attack, your ad hominem is really presented only because you can't truly refute my points.

The bottom line is that lowsec is not really controllable in any true sense. You can offer people the illusion of safety -- but that's really all it is. It's the same reason that alliances "live" in NPC null, but don't really "own" it. Faction Warfare space and the milita that take part in it are the only thing that comes close to sov null. And even then -- FW provides money far in excess compared to what lowsec can provide otherwise.

Bottom line -- if you're going to rent space, rent it from a legitimate entity that actually holds it.

Again -- all you can hope to refute me with is your own misguided opinions based entirely out of a sense of unwarranted self importance.

I have pretty effectively demonstrated that what you're attempting to do here lacks merit in almost every regard. If people insist on giving you their isk anyway that's their choice and their mistake to make.

You can attack me personally, based on your own misconceived notions all you wish -- I really don't care.

At the end of the day you're trying to pitch people on the idea of paying you to live in lowsec, while people can see the obvious benefits of null -- which is why tens of thousands already rent there.

I would compare Khanid to EVEnews24, and sov null to TMC. Writers (I mean renters) have a choice in where they live, and they choose TMC (I'm sorry, "nullsec") almost every time, because they know where the quality is.

And with that, I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.

with vastly less PVP traffic and superior PVE economics in every category.

At the end of the day you're trying to pitch people on the idea of paying you to live in lowsec, while people can see the obvious benefits of null -- which is why tens of thousands already rent there.

I would compare Khanid to EVEnews24, and sov null to TMC. Writers (I mean renters) have a choice in where they live, and they choose TMC (I'm sorry, "nullsec") almost every time, because they know where the quality is.

And with that, I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.

Tldr

Give us "syj" money for living in space that's free.


The neutral alts posting supporting was a nice touch lol

Tldr

Give us "syj" money for living in space that's free.


The neutral alts posting supporting was a nice touch lol

Why does that upset you?

what happens when a renter goes bad and decides to just hot drop everyone?

After a bit of research I support this idea....

Do me a favor..
Don't call it rent. Makes me cringe.
And that is probably the reason for the massive amount of outbursts from older players on this thread. If you consider each contributing member you recruit to be actually that... A member... Meaning a member of an elitist group with a purpose. You lose the demeaning feel pressed on all renters within the CFC, PL and N3.

On top of that strive to incorporate some other forms of payment for your renters.
Leave isk as an option but SRP management, Moon management, Numbers in Cap fleets, All kinds of Logistics and support should be considered and make sure your pvp guys are not running the low sec complexes and gas/data sites, as leaders in the groups you recruit will need those sites to keep their general population happy.

It is a very strange idea all together but with the lack of content (Fun content.. Stop kicking the dead horse let it be dead.) in Null sec I think some of the older players in the game may take you up on this. And if so this will become more popular. That is your target customer here. Bitter vets that don't have the time required for Null sec and are looking for a fun environment in an area where the skills they already have can be put to use.

There is no more risk than there is in Null sec only different risk. Vet players with more experience would benefit from such arrangements in the same way they do with wormholes and development in these parts of eve will only bring advancements by CCP to help those players in development of their game play.

I for one can in-vision several smaller more effective coalitions taking regions all over eve in this manner pulling people to their own brand of game play. The unique difficulties may require a different skill set and different game play but would provide more fun than the current renting situation under the **** lords.

who exactly are u guys blue to in the region? important info we would need to consider something like this. and are u willing to defend your "renters" control tower assets?

I'm not sure SYJ's diplomatic resume is of such concern. If you're asking if a pvp alliance is going to shoot targets that are hitting your towers, the answer is obviously yes.

You know while this offer sounds juicy in theory you've not given any solid proof that you're in control of the said region and there has been plenty of posts in the topic from neutral entities saying they roam khanid frequently.

In the end if carebears lose their ice mining fleet few times for example it will not be worth moving out.So my theory is this: prove that you're the masters and no one can get in or out without your permission then you might get your project going.So far i've not seen such proof just empty words without backing.

what happens when a renter goes bad and decides to just hot drop everyone?

You know while this offer sounds juicy in theory you've not given any solid proof that you're in control of the said region and there has been plenty of posts in the topic from neutral entities saying they roam khanid frequently.

In the end if carebears lose their ice mining fleet few times for example it will not be worth moving out.So my theory is this: prove that you're the masters and no one can get in or out without your permission then you might get your project going.So far i've not seen such proof just empty words without backing.

We also found the systems to be rich with combat , Relic, Data sites, A gas site that dropped a skill book worth 200 million and a couple 6/10 complexes.
After a short while we decided to cycle the wormhole and not only did we lose the wormhole closing Megathron we were using in the process but also a bomber.

Since you started off with it -- I really don't care about your standings. The moons are back in N3, so I got what I wanted. Your insistence on trying to contact our diplos is just amusing, along with your comment about talking to vince (lol). Your conversations might be getting ignored because we simply don't care.

I'll refute your first point again:

1) The reason a legitimate rental alliance (Such as Northern Associates, or our CFC counterpart) doesn't run off with your isk is because there are 800b/month of renters already living in space (which we own) and if we started robbing people that would pretty quickly dry up. You guys, on the other hand, have no enforceable claim, nor any collateral (other than a dubious reputation as a lowsec pirate alliance). Think of squatters walking into an abandoned building and then charging rent to other squatters. No one owns it, and the other "tenants" have as much right to be there as you do.

2) Even if you try to engage reds on a station, they can just dock and play the same station games you do. Again -- you can't lock anyone out of stations because you don't own them. They can use all the industry slots, clone bays, market, and undock and dock freely because you really can't do anything to stop them, and you only have dominance in ONE of the three major timezones.

3) You are correct that lowsec has it's own set of benefits, and all of them in general are vastly inferior to nullsec. If people are going to pay you to live somewhere, they aren't doing it in the "spirit of exploration". They're doing it to make money.

4) You can attempt to attack orbital assets, but again -- the level of control you exercise is minimal. But this is kind of a moot point because you can do 90% of activites from the numerous NPC stations in the area. It's not as if you need intensive refining arrays, and there are plenty of industry slots. And since there is no sov, it's not as though people will be anchoring CSAAs.



My post really wasn't a personal attack, your ad hominem is really presented only because you can't truly refute my points.

The bottom line is that lowsec is not really controllable in any true sense. You can offer people the illusion of safety -- but that's really all it is. It's the same reason that alliances "live" in NPC null, but don't really "own" it. Faction Warfare space and the milita that take part in it are the only thing that comes close to sov null. And even then -- FW provides money far in excess compared to what lowsec can provide otherwise.

Bottom line -- if you're going to rent space, rent it from a legitimate entity that actually holds it.

PS -- I'm sorry we couldn't be friends as well. If you're interested in working together in the future though we have most of Impass that needs renting and I'm sure we could work something out for you and yours.

Im sorry not everyone likes sov.
Please continue talking about how we are dishonorable. We have a known history standing from wormhole space as being honest mercs. Ask anyone in the Merc Contracts channel if SYJ has every fallen out of a contract.
We have not, and never will.

Continue on your ragey rants it just shows to everyone how you really are.


RENT FROM US! Contact a diplo in game today if any of you guys want quotes or anything

I used to live in Khanid... It was literally space Kansas and every time you heard banjo's you'd have to dock up or relive a scene out of Deliverance... Why anyone would want to rent in that S&%thole is beyond me... Oh does Elite Stealth still live down there? Please extract tears from him.

I used to live in Khanid... It was literally space Kansas and every time you heard banjo's you'd have to dock up or relive a scene out of Deliverance... Why anyone would want to rent in that S&%thole is beyond me... Oh does Elite Stealth still live down there? Please extract tears from him.

I used to live in Khanid... It was literally space Kansas and every time you heard banjo's you'd have to dock up or relive a scene out of Deliverance... Why anyone would want to rent in that S&%thole is beyond me... Oh does Elite Stealth still live down there? Please extract tears from him.

You sure got a pretty mouth...

Sorry honey I'm married and I don't do guys who go to family reunions to pick up chicks...

woosh....right overhead

I got the Deliverance reference... How goes the trailer park sale btw?

I quiete like this idea, gives some daring carebears the option to dare enter lowsec hopefully. Anything to populate lowsec more is good. Wish you the best.

I, for one, hope this takes off. I would love to have more targets to kill in these quieter regions.

nice, looking at your killboard you dont really know how to kill anything by your self, you need them 200man fleets behind you, LOL!

Nah -- better to just rent in Null-sec. Too many try-hard pvp'rs in Low-Sec.

inb4 interest rates rise


What happens if they can't pay rent right away? Do they get their kneecaps busted in?

Probably as far as prices go.

I give people some time and understand that everyone can have a bad month. We've managed to have people set up so well and they've been so successful that no one has yet to default on a payment. I don't accept corps/alliances that aren't ready for lowsec yet. I get plenty of small newer corps asking and I simply tell them to go just next door into the highsec area, build up numbers, come up with a plan of what they do and then present it to me later and see if they're ready. I don't like throwing lambs to the slaughter. The ultimate goal isn't making a bunch of money, I really don't ask for much, but to develop people's corps/alliances and so far I've seen several entities that have joined up and prospered.

I smell a hidden agenda.

Renting in High-Sec is nothing more than intimidation with very little to back it up -- in essence you are paying 'protection' money to people that are often the ones wanting to break your legs. Frack that.

this is genious, Well played guys

I think I might take up that idea about renting high sec systems! Might have to go tower bash when I get back and charge people to place towers in "my HS system"

Well if you can find an area in highsec that is as in demand as certain lowsec systems, by all means give it a try.

mid way point between trade hubs are quite nice for Builders due to better access to 2 x hub and a centralized construction zone, I just fly between amarr and Jita and bash every single POS there, Bound to **** people off who do High sec construction along that route, then I just tell them that they can pay me a weekly/monthly fee to keep their POS safe and/or sell the moons to people, Will probably need to get my alliance involved but could be some good fun for us, Maybe someone will actually bite back

Try it if you want but people are more likely to listen to you if you work with them. For example I don't just tell people "pay me or i'll blow you up" I try to involve them in a community, to work with each other, grow and expand their corps etc.

this is genious, Well played guys

I think I might take up that idea about renting high sec systems! Might have to go tower bash when I get back and charge people to place towers in "my HS system"

Try Jasson and it's adjacent highsec pocket. Square in the middle of lowsec Aridia.

To anyone here considering this -- don't. Go to Null-sec. Safer, by far, than this shady and hard to enforce bull.

I don't think you really understand what it is they're trying to do here if you think that, He's trying to build a larger community of people in the area all connected and able to work together and form relations and alliances using a pretty quiet area, with them all chipping in to achieve a common goal which is to survive/thrive in low sec. If you can't see that then you should just go revert to being another guy in 0.0 ratting a dead system alone with no real relations other than your FC's coming on TS ordering you to get in fleet

Edit: Not saying every 0.0 alliance/corp is like that but if you can't understand the aim then you may aswell go join one of the ones that are just that

Any time there is a unique or different idea presented, you'll have the "old school crowd" that feel they need to discredit it before it even takes full effect. But again, the motivations for this have been touched upon.

Hi

Just wanted to add that I and my corp [SOTG] did this 8-9 years ago . and it did work.

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/default.asp?a=topic&threadID=229660&page=1#10

Would be funny if it worked now.. with all the isk in wh, null and even high sec... low sec is dead(FW low is not)

Depends on who you ask. Syj were expelled from wh for being dicks. And from null for farming while nc died on the battlefield.