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Tesco Ergo Sum
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:06:00 -
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Well we've had confirmation that part of the business model isn't sustainable. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1026
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:34:00 -
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PrettyMuch Always Right wrote:I don't think it's very sustainable.
If you think CCP makes close to the kinds of profits other MMOs make you are mistaken. Their subscription numbers that actually pay are far less than their real subscription numbers.
For the longest time I had 18 active accounts "subscribed". I was PLEXing all of them manually none the less.
With how easy it's become to make ISK, I don't think the business model is sustainable in the long run. They should be charging a base subscription fee IMO; if you can make enough ISK you can then PLEX secondary, etc. accounts
If only we knew where those PLEX come from... |
BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
418
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Posted - 2014.04.14 21:18:00 -
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I love it when people who have ZERO access to business numbers and logic try to extrapolate how much life is left in said business model.
You are right that you can't predict the next ten years to absolution based on the past 10 years, but its a pretty damn good place to start. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.04.14 21:20:00 -
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It would seem at least the WOD biz model and/or the Atlanta office was not sustainable.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1286
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Posted - 2014.04.14 21:37:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Your thread is worse than mine.
While my ugly face is a fact, your post is full of stupid assumptions and guesses.
DO YOU SEE THIS FACE?
DOES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S JOKING??
WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING???????
*runs away crying* D:
You have a beautiful face. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1286
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Posted - 2014.04.14 21:40:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:It would seem at least the WOD biz model and/or the Atlanta office was not sustainable.
That's 21m usd wiped of the asset books. Star citizens has raised nearly twice that, almost a years ccp earnings.
vampires have peaked sci fi is forever,
eve is in great shape and will be here forever unless the unthinkable happens and they sell out to ea games. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Sgt Smeagol
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:35:00 -
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ok new rumor the wod engine is the new eve engine. |
Winchester Steele
956
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:09:00 -
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Sgt Smeagol wrote:ok new rumor the wod engine is the new eve engine.
The little engine that couldn't. ... |
Hevymetal
POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance
248
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:19:00 -
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As long as they can keep suckers like me shelling out RL cash every month for me and my alts to play this damn game, then YES.
Keep the overhead finite and in control and keep the $1000 a pair jeans to a minimum and there should be no problem. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
444
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:55:00 -
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We've been hoodwinked. This was a "WoD is dying" thread all along.
EDIT: To convey my tone... DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
EVE Buddy Invite - https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=047203f1-4124-42a1-b36f-39ca8ae5d6e2&action=buddy
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
360
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Posted - 2014.04.15 04:47:00 -
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No this business model is quite sustainable. The reason why alot of mmo's have shifted to the F2P model is because... well they sucked.
Your game has to not suck to warrant the subscription model. I.E. your players have no issues forking out money because they enjoy your game. Its when a game blows that they go to F2P, the thinking is that they will either nickle and dime you to profitability, or there are a few crazy people with American express black cards that will dump hundreds a month on the game.
If you look at the games that went F2P, besides the originator (guild wars) you will see a pattern. STO, SW:TOR, Conan, all were sub games... that did not get the numbers, so they went F2P. Sure you cna play for free but if you want the cool stuff, you gotta pay for it,
I feel that CCP made a mistake in closing WoD. They have all there eggs in one basket, and that is what is not sustainable.
EvE can very easily become EvE 2 with some dedicated side work, hell the 'expansions' we are getting could easily be laying the ground work for eve 2. Its what i would of done, esp with killing WoD. |
Balshem Rozenzweig
Akademia Milicyjna The North is Coming
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Posted - 2014.04.15 10:36:00 -
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CCP has a lot of cash - they love to alienate their playerbase. Such decisions mean they are doing well financially.
(Damn - I want to play DUST on PC! I will not buy a console for the only console game I'd actually care to play!) Singature Radius 48 m |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
284
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Posted - 2014.04.15 11:01:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Doc Fury wrote:It would seem at least the WOD biz model and/or the Atlanta office was not sustainable.
That's 21m usd wiped of the asset books. Star citizens has raised nearly twice that, almost a years ccp earnings. vampires have peaked sci fi is forever, eve is in great shape and will be here forever unless the unthinkable happens and they sell out to ea games. <3 <3 <3
Thank you ! :D
What can I do for you? :D |
Merida DunBrogh
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2014.04.15 11:10:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Eve Online. Dying since 2003Gäó
Quote from "EVE The second decade CE book": Prediction from 2003: Elan Dochin:"The game'll be dead in six months. Mark my words." |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5188
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Posted - 2014.04.15 12:40:00 -
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Oh look, another new and imaginative thread about how Eve should start all over with a new codebase because of reasons.
Anti-reasons: - A new codebase will itself be old within a few years and need rewritten again by this logic.
- Large fleet fights will hit the technical barrier no matter where that barrier lies. The answer is in adjusting game mechanics.
- Lots of business model talk is a poor substitute for technical reasoning.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
97
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Posted - 2014.04.15 14:54:00 -
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Go to CCP's website.
Download their publicly available financials.
Notice that they're making lots of money and afaik it's most if not all from EVE.
Business model works fine! |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
762
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Posted - 2014.04.15 14:57:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Go to CCP's website.
Download their publicly available financials.
Notice that they're making lots of money and afaik it's most if not all from EVE.
Business model works fine! Their likely the only large company in the industry that isn't sweating bullets right now. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:46:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:10 years of growth says yes.
Online numbers hitting a low not seen since 2011 has questions for you....
CCP: "We know what's best for the game, so you can't have any options....." |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
561
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:32:00 -
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"Is EVE's current business model sustainable?"
lol, that's none of your business. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:46:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:baltec1 wrote:10 years of growth says yes. Online numbers hitting a low not seen since 2011 has questions for you....
Dunno what it's like where you are but I've been revelling in being able to go out wearing no more than 2 layers of clothing recently.
Sunshine (and pretty girls in that sunshine) > EvE Here is my CSM9 endorsement list - vote for diversity of expertise : Ali Aras-á Mangala Solaris-á Mike Azariah-á Steve Ronuken James Arget-á Xander Phoena-á Sugar Kyle-á corbexx-á mynnna-á progodlegend-á Psychotic Monk-á Jayne Fillion
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Arduemont
The State of War.
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:15:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:baltec1 wrote:10 years of growth says yes. Online numbers hitting a low not seen since 2011 has questions for you.... Dunno what it's like where you are but I've been revelling in being able to go out wearing no more than 2 layers of clothing recently. Sunshine (and pretty girls in that sunshine) > EvE
Sorry Mal, but that's pretty weak. Active player numbers being almost the worst they have been in 2 years shouldn't be shrugged off with "Oh, but the weather is nice". "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
701
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:24:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:baltec1 wrote:10 years of growth says yes. Online numbers hitting a low not seen since 2011 has questions for you....
Screenies or it didnt happen
But the cancellation of WoD, the firing of most (it not all) of White Wolf Atlanta (the second time theyve done that when in trouble mind you, Im almost to the point to think they bought them just to use to vent such damages), the public failings in their finances last year, the scattershot focus of the devs, and it all adds up to a scary picture And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
763
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:25:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Malcanis wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:baltec1 wrote:10 years of growth says yes. Online numbers hitting a low not seen since 2011 has questions for you.... Dunno what it's like where you are but I've been revelling in being able to go out wearing no more than 2 layers of clothing recently. Sunshine (and pretty girls in that sunshine) > EvE Sorry Mal, but that's pretty weak. Active player numbers being almost the worst they have been in 2 years shouldn't be shrugged off with "Oh, but the weather is nice". But the weather is nice. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
701
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:25:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Malcanis wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:baltec1 wrote:10 years of growth says yes. Online numbers hitting a low not seen since 2011 has questions for you.... Dunno what it's like where you are but I've been revelling in being able to go out wearing no more than 2 layers of clothing recently. Sunshine (and pretty girls in that sunshine) > EvE Sorry Mal, but that's pretty weak. Active player numbers being almost the worst they have been in 2 years shouldn't be shrugged off with "Oh, but the weather is nice".
Why not? Thats what the devs tried to do during the summer of rage lol And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit. |
Dave Stark
4890
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:26:00 -
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the summer having nice weather, doesn't mean people's accounts become unsubscribed.
quite frankly it doesn't matter how many people log in, if the number of subscribed users goes up. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
763
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:31:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:the summer having nice weather, doesn't mean people's accounts become unsubscribed.
quite frankly it doesn't matter how many people log in, if the number of subscribed users goes up.
Quote:Sunshine (and pretty girls in that sunshine) > EvE set long skills to train, go outside. (bring phone to forum warrior on the sly) Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Dave Stark
4890
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:33:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:the summer having nice weather, doesn't mean people's accounts become unsubscribed.
quite frankly it doesn't matter how many people log in, if the number of subscribed users goes up. Quote:Sunshine (and pretty girls in that sunshine) > EvE set long skills to train, go outside. (bring phone to forum warrior on the sly)
extension cord.
move the pc and the fridge in to the garden. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
763
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:35:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:the summer having nice weather, doesn't mean people's accounts become unsubscribed.
quite frankly it doesn't matter how many people log in, if the number of subscribed users goes up. Quote:Sunshine (and pretty girls in that sunshine) > EvE set long skills to train, go outside. (bring phone to forum warrior on the sly) extension cord. move the pc and the fridge in to the garden. ............................ Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2164
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:41:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:baltec1 wrote:10 years of growth says yes. Online numbers hitting a low not seen since 2011 has questions for you....
Comments without data are so easy to believe. |
Crazymouse X
Explosivae Defluxio Dampnum
0
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:45:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:No this business model is quite sustainable. The reason why alot of mmo's have shifted to the F2P model is because... well they sucked.
Your game has to not suck to warrant the subscription model. I.E. your players have no issues forking out money because they enjoy your game. Its when a game blows that they go to F2P, the thinking is that they will either nickle and dime you to profitability, or there are a few crazy people with American express black cards that will dump hundreds a month on the game.
If you look at the games that went F2P, besides the originator (guild wars) you will see a pattern. STO, SW:TOR, Conan, all were sub games... that did not get the numbers, so they went F2P. Sure you cna play for free but if you want the cool stuff, you gotta pay for it,
I feel that CCP made a mistake in closing WoD. They have all there eggs in one basket, and that is what is not sustainable.
EvE can very easily become EvE 2 with some dedicated side work, hell the 'expansions' we are getting could easily be laying the ground work for eve 2. Its what i would of done, esp with killing WoD.
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