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Hexatron Ormand
Aperture Deep Space BORG Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.09 09:59:00 -
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The Rattlesnake is a nice ship, i quite like the changes to it. I think i will like it even more. Just two things that i notice about it right away:
- Damage distribution: A stronger forcus on the Launchers for the Rattlesnake. The DPS may be 50/50 in the future, between drones and the launchers. I would have loved to see a stronger drone focus, especially now that a new line of BS (Mordu's Legion) is coming out with a strong launcher focus - and the guristas being called upon having "hero drones". So just a personal flavor kind of thing, but i feel the rattlesnake could do with more drone DPS and less launcher DPS.
- Drone control range: so far the Rattlesnake had 2 ultility high slots, that were in many cases used for 2 drone link augmentors to increase the drone control range. Due to the long range nature of sentries, this may be a quite strong limitation. How about adding a 4000m control range bonus per gallente skill, so that on Gallente BS 5 you could replace one drone link augmentor through skills? As it stands now, it is a nerf in range the Rattlesnake can be useful in
- drone bay: Love the versatility the Rattlesnake had with its huge drone bay. To either carry the right drone for every situation, or to keep on extras, if the ones in use were destroyes. A ship that has "hero drones", and may depend on them more, should keep this focus. The old Rattlesnake could carry around 6 flights of drones easily.. a mix of all sorts and sizes. The new one can only carry 4 flights if you mix them in sizes (the use of only 2 drones already counted in on heavy and sentries). So losing its capability to carry as many drones as so far seems to be a nerf to me. I would really like seeing it increased to at least 225m-¦ - or maybe even bigger than that.
So the dmg of the Rattle gets buffed up (nice!), its versatility and range gets nerfed (why not just keep it as is)? Not all too happy with that. So i really hope those aspects may be looked over again, and some drone control range bonus added, and the drone bay increased again. As mentioned above i would also love seeing a stronger focus on the drone DPS instead of the launchers, especially now that we can look forward to new launcher specialized faction ships. For drone users, there is no real alternative to the Rattlesnake - throw us drone fetishists a bone ;)
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Sgt Ocker
Last Bastion of Freedom
203
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Posted - 2014.05.09 10:10:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:baltec1 wrote:Priestess Lin wrote:
Guristas just needs more high/mid/lows to bring its DPS in-line.
Rattle has the same number of slots as the nightmare and bhaalgorn. Ahh yes it does, it also has none of the advantages of either Well as we have seen neither hide or hair from CCP rise it is difficuit to know exactly how this is going to work out, each other race has it's special flavour, advantage. We are told that guristas ships will be the new super powered drone specialists as their special pirate flavour. Hmmmm. The worm, ok seems ok. The Gila, the idea is interesting, good bonuses to mediums, they can apply damage up and down, the drones will always be primary, so lets see how that plays out without bonused lights, could be fine or might have challenges, if ok it will be a very interesting change, but either way, definitely fitting with the drone pirate flavour. Rattlesnake? Well at the moment he must be joking! Cripple a large segment of the drone system, and then give back exactly the same to heavy and sentry drones. Losing all bonuses to lights and mediums, severely reduced drone carrying options , plus with only two drones to take damage. That is as much a special pirate advantage, as ronald macdonald has an advantage at performing classic Shakespeare. Not much. So CCP rise, you have lots of suggestions in this thread. Either put some of them in place, or present your own. The rattlesnake, the Guristas Flagship, fails where it is meant to be excelling I saw him in McBeth and if he hadn't kept tripping over his big red shoes it would have been a stella performance. A little like the prospects for the new Snake - sort of looks good on paper but is not a Drone Specialist by any stretch of the imagination.
A true Drone Specialist would have the Bonuses focused to Drones not Missiles. Rattlesnake is a Missile boat with drone support, the fact it has 2 "super drones" (with no more Dps than currently) is yet to be proven worth while.
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Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1211
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Posted - 2014.05.09 10:17:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:elitatwo wrote:The Gallente are in no way overpowered. It is that people are broken. The Ishtar, Megathron, and Moros are so overpowered that there is absolutely no reason to ever fly any other HAC, battleship, or dreadnought, ever. These three ships are better than all their competitors at literally every relevant role.
Naglfar. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
749
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Posted - 2014.05.09 10:18:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:baltec1 wrote:Priestess Lin wrote:
Guristas just needs more high/mid/lows to bring its DPS in-line.
Rattle has the same number of slots as the nightmare and bhaalgorn. Ahh yes it does, it also has none of the advantages of either Well as we have seen neither hide or hair from CCP rise it is difficuit to know exactly how this is going to work out, each other race has it's special flavour, advantage. We are told that guristas ships will be the new super powered drone specialists as their special pirate flavour. Hmmmm. The worm, ok seems ok. The Gila, the idea is interesting, good bonuses to mediums, they can apply damage up and down, the drones will always be primary, so lets see how that plays out without bonused lights, could be fine or might have challenges, if ok it will be a very interesting change, but either way, definitely fitting with the drone pirate flavour. Rattlesnake? Well at the moment he must be joking! Cripple a large segment of the drone system, and then give back exactly the same to heavy and sentry drones. Losing all bonuses to lights and mediums, severely reduced drone carrying options , plus with only two drones to take damage. That is as much a special pirate advantage, as ronald macdonald has an advantage at performing classic Shakespeare. Not much. So CCP rise, you have lots of suggestions in this thread. Either put some of them in place, or present your own. The rattlesnake, the Guristas Flagship, fails where it is meant to be excelling I saw him in McBeth and if he hadn't kept tripping over his big red shoes it would have been a stella performance. A little like the prospects for the new Snake - sort of looks good on paper but is not a Drone Specialist by any stretch of the imagination. A true Drone Specialist would have the Bonuses focused to Drones not Missiles. Rattlesnake is a Missile boat with drone support, the fact it has 2 "super drones" (with no more Dps than currently) is yet to be proven worth while. Yes, the missile buff is nice, no question of that, the rattlesnake massively needed a buff to make it more than A T1 battleship. But why then reduce the drone capability? It became even more confusing, when at fanfest it was announced that they were to be the most powerful droneboats in the game With the most powerful subcap droneboat in EvE, And this is the distinguishing pirate feature. How on earth is the rattlesnake meant to achieve that distinction???
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2014.05.09 10:23:00 -
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To be fair, it's not possible for anything to take the "most powerful drone boat" crown right now. That is because it would have to surpass the Ishtar, which we all know is just bonkers and no-one wants more of that crazy flying around.
Of course, that assumes you assume that "most powerful drone boat" is focused on the drones themselves rather than the complete package. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
749
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Posted - 2014.05.09 10:36:00 -
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afkalt wrote:To be fair, it's not possible for anything to take the "most powerful drone boat" crown right now. That is because it would have to surpass the Ishtar, which we all know is just bonkers and no-one wants more of that crazy flying around.
Of course, that assumes you assume that "most powerful drone boat" is focused on the drones themselves rather than the complete package.
No, he was quite clear. There was absolutely no ambiguity in his statement whatsoever. And logically a pirate battleship, with the pirate focus on drones, would have better drones IN SOME WAY than a t2 cruiser.
It is the some way that gives such room for interest.
While sentries are nice, I imagine that if this had Gila class drones scaled up to battleship class, or heavy drones that applied damage as well as the ishtar. Plus a little, then that would be achieved.
I wonder what He and Fozzie have in mind?
Because with the current proposal, it is in No way a good drone boat.
Personally, I vote for Gila superdrones, with a scaled battleship class bonus if he wants to keep the numbers in a flight down. Improved Heavies with the issues solved, would match with currently bonused sentries, but either way most of the suggestions offered by people do a better job than the current suggestion in the OP. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2014.05.09 10:50:00 -
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You missed my point - it was simply there is no place in the game for something more nasty than an ishtar, they're just bonkers right now.
That said, to address my second point, consider Mournful's post - that says to me most powerful subcap drone boat (actually most powerful subcap missile boat too). Granted it can't use bonused lights or mediums but well...look at it. It's actually so powerful I suppose you could make the argument that it doesnt matter if it had them or not because it's so nasty, but there needs to be a snowballs chance in hell something can tackle it and not die in seconds.
Anyway, I've no real interest in going round this loop again, it's back at page 7x with the mental superheavy tackle/DPS rattlesnake Gypsio originally mentioned. I might make one and call it "if this is on scan RUN" just for kicks |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
749
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Posted - 2014.05.09 10:55:00 -
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afkalt wrote:You missed my point - it was simply there is no place in the game for something more nasty than an ishtar, they're just bonkers right now. That said, to address my second point, consider Mournful's post - that says to me most powerful subcap drone boat (actually most powerful subcap missile boat too). Granted it can't use bonused lights or mediums but well...look at it. It's actually so powerful I suppose you could make the argument that it doesnt matter if it had them or not because it's so nasty, but there needs to be a snowballs chance in hell something can tackle it and not die in seconds. Anyway, I've no real interest in going round this loop again, it's back at page 7x with the mental superheavy tackle/DPS rattlesnake Gypsio originally mentioned. I might make one and call it "if this is on scan RUN" just for kicks
I do understand your point, however, if it was DIFFERENT, and the drone side a tiny bit more powerful than the ishtar, then that does not need to be a bad thing.
In real EvE ishtars usually use sentries as primary and mobile drones ( heavies) as secondary. I suggest that with the rattlesnake, mobile drones become primary, sentries become secondary.
Different, different application then does not become overpowered. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Xequecal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
195
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Posted - 2014.05.09 10:56:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Xequecal wrote:elitatwo wrote:The Gallente are in no way overpowered. It is that people are broken. The Ishtar, Megathron, and Moros are so overpowered that there is absolutely no reason to ever fly any other HAC, battleship, or dreadnought, ever. These three ships are better than all their competitors at literally every relevant role. Naglfar.
Sentry assist carriers got nerfed, we're not trying to alpha carriers off the field anymore. |
Morukk Nuamzzar
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.05.09 11:06:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote: Improved Heavies with the issues solved, would match with currently bonused sentries, but either way most of the suggestions offered by people do a better job than the current suggestion in the OP.
Rattle should be able to field "a full flight" of two Gecko drones to be what she needs to be. Just saying... and no, it wouldn't be OP especially if compared to some other overly powerful pirate ships. |
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11385
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Posted - 2014.05.09 11:31:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:baltec1 wrote:Priestess Lin wrote:
Guristas just needs more high/mid/lows to bring its DPS in-line.
Rattle has the same number of slots as the nightmare and bhaalgorn. Ahh yes it does, it also has none of the advantages of either it has different advantages. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Ghost Mabata
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:57:00 -
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Sgt Ocker
Last Bastion of Freedom
203
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:25:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:baltec1 wrote:Priestess Lin wrote:
Guristas just needs more high/mid/lows to bring its DPS in-line.
Rattle has the same number of slots as the nightmare and bhaalgorn. Ahh yes it does, it also has none of the advantages of either it has different advantages. No, it has different attributes - That is not advantages.
The only thing that may pass as an advantage on the new Snake, it will have 5 launchers and damage bonus to the 2 highest tanked for resists. Nobody is yet able to say whether the Super Drone concept is good or bad as it is still unavailable for testing. Until it can be tested it is no more than theory. Unlike the other Pirate Battleships which all have proven Attributes directly related to Pvp, the Snake right now has nothing to make it "best choice" over any number of other ships.
And an RLML Raven that has less than 200 Dps is not a valid example. I personally don't want a 500 mil battleship that is a frigate killing machine but will die to a Drake. My opinions are mine. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK. Just don't bother Hating - I don't care.. |
Arthur Aihaken
Erebus Solia
3497
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:28:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Nobody is yet able to say whether the Super Drone concept is good or bad as it is still unavailable for testing. It will be great for sentries and generally suck for everything else (particularly Geckos). I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
648
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:02:00 -
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Morukk Nuamzzar wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote: Improved Heavies with the issues solved, would match with currently bonused sentries, but either way most of the suggestions offered by people do a better job than the current suggestion in the OP.
Rattle should be able to field "a full flight" of two Gecko drones to be what she needs to be. Just saying... and no, it wouldn't be OP especially if compared to some other overly powerful pirate ships.
The amusing part about this is that it would put the effective DPS of around 14 heavies on the field. I am sure I heard a similar suggestion to that around here somewhere...
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11386
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:03:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:baltec1 wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:baltec1 wrote:Priestess Lin wrote:
Guristas just needs more high/mid/lows to bring its DPS in-line.
Rattle has the same number of slots as the nightmare and bhaalgorn. Ahh yes it does, it also has none of the advantages of either it has different advantages. No, it has different attributes - That is not advantages. The only thing that may pass as an advantage on the new Snake, it will have 5 launchers and damage bonus to the 2 highest tanked for resists. Nobody is yet able to say whether the Super Drone concept is good or bad as it is still unavailable for testing. Until it can be tested it is no more than theory. Unlike the other Pirate Battleships which all have proven Attributes directly related to Pvp, the Snake right now has nothing to make it "best choice" over any number of other ships. And an RLML Raven that has less than 200 Dps is not a valid example. I personally don't want a 500 mil battleship that is a frigate killing machine but will die to a Drake.
It is the best suited battleships for taking on frigates and cruisers. Not only is it very deadly to frigates but the eact same setup will be a challenge to cruisers and battle cruisers thanks to its heavy drones. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Juin Tsukaya
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
It is the best suited battleships for taking on frigates and cruisers. Not only is it very deadly to frigates but the exact same setup will be a challenge to cruisers and battle cruisers thanks to its heavy drones.
unfortunately, a lot of the L4's are BS sized ships... rmlm's are not so good for this. neither are the rhml's though I suppose that is what the drones are for... most BS's atm don't target drones yet. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5916
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:21:00 -
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Juin Tsukaya wrote:baltec1 wrote:
It is the best suited battleships for taking on frigates and cruisers. Not only is it very deadly to frigates but the exact same setup will be a challenge to cruisers and battle cruisers thanks to its heavy drones.
unfortunately, a lot of the L4's are BS sized ships... rmlm's are not so good for this. neither are the rhml's though I suppose that is what the drones are for... most BS's atm don't target drones yet.
Why do you think baltec was talking about L4s? Pretty sure he's talking about PvP with that statement. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11387
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:34:00 -
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Juin Tsukaya wrote:baltec1 wrote:
It is the best suited battleships for taking on frigates and cruisers. Not only is it very deadly to frigates but the exact same setup will be a challenge to cruisers and battle cruisers thanks to its heavy drones.
unfortunately, a lot of the L4's are BS sized ships... rmlm's are not so good for this. neither are the rhml's though I suppose that is what the drones are for... most BS's atm don't target drones yet.
I am not talking about pve. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Arthur Aihaken
Erebus Solia
3499
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:08:00 -
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There are two Rattlesnake camps: 1. Those who love it because it's now geared towards PvP. 2. Those who hate it because they're losing their PvE functionality.
I can certainly appreciate that many are excited because of the expanded PvP possibilities, but in fairness - this is not going to be the same ship for missioning - not even close. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11390
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:12:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:There are two Rattlesnake camps: 1. Those who love it because it's now geared towards PvP. 2. Those who hate it because they're losing their PvE functionality.
I can certainly appreciate that many are excited because of the expanded PvP possibilities, but in fairness - this is not going to be the same ship for missioning - not even close.
Its going to be faster at killing things in pve too. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:16:00 -
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I've missioned a lot, and I assure it'll be better.
Fits might need altering, but probably not.
Low skill people might suffer, but if you're sitting in arguably the most skill intensive battleship (Blops don't count) in the game....well....I've little sympathy. Sounds harsh but I'm well aware of what a well fit and played one can do in missions and that's not changed.
No, the fundamental issue is a psychological one that light and medium drones somehow mattered before. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1470
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:18:00 -
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i concur.
superdrones seem to work well in PvE and the missile damage bonus will be more versatile across more ranges than a velocity bonus.
edit - and the lack of bonused light drones does **** all to missions. i use heavies more than lights to kill frigs and spider drones and i havent used mediums in a mission since i realised they also do **** all that heavies cant do better. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Arthur Aihaken
Erebus Solia
3499
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:25:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Its going to be faster at killing things in pve too. Not the way players geared their ships for it. They'll have to evolve. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:29:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its going to be faster at killing things in pve too. Not the way players geared their ships for it. They'll have to evolve.
Yes. Not a bad thing and when they do, they'll see what it's really able to do. Ironically this could be done now and it'd be eye opening.
As I said underskilled pilots might suffer, though unfortunate we cant very balance at that level. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11390
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:29:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its going to be faster at killing things in pve too. Not the way players geared their ships for it. They'll have to evolve.
I have no problem with people who refuse to adapt not getting the most out of the rattle. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
elitatwo
Congregatio
218
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:30:00 -
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afkalt wrote: that light and medium drones somehow mattered before.
And I thought we don't even have those anymore, since everyones answer to everything is now 42- erm sentry drones.
I even had to read about Vexor fits with 3x sentries... (The things I cannot unsee..)
Why are so many carebears so butthurt about the Rattlesnake? I am not.
They say different tools for different tasks and after seven years of doing the same jobs with my Raven, I got an additional Rokh and an Apocalypse for missions.
But do not despair, I also have a Rattlesnake that I take out sometimes for the sake of undocking her.
My Raven can handle EOM, Guristas, Sepentis, Angels and my Apocalypse is for Blood Raiders and Sanshas and the Rokh for 'Dread Pirate Scarlet'.
I know right, zee horror of doing zee missions in a mediocre boat, that must be so much beneath you..
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Morukk Nuamzzar
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
10
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:12:00 -
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Mike Voidstar wrote:Morukk Nuamzzar wrote: Rattle should be able to field "a full flight" of two Gecko drones to be what she needs to be. Just saying... and no, it wouldn't be OP especially if compared to some other overly powerful pirate ships.
The amusing part about this is that it would put the effective DPS of around 14 heavies on the field. So what? Give it some power and if it's really too much devs can alter it after the patch (hint: rapid launchers, lol). |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
401
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:37:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:the Snake right now has nothing to make it "best choice" over any number of other ships. Sure it does--the Snake allows a return to sentry blap fleets, since you can have 25 rattlesnakes assigning their drones to one person, versus 10 normal ships (or 5 carriers). |
Juin Tsukaya
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:17:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Juin Tsukaya wrote:baltec1 wrote:
It is the best suited battleships for taking on frigates and cruisers. Not only is it very deadly to frigates but the exact same setup will be a challenge to cruisers and battle cruisers thanks to its heavy drones.
unfortunately, a lot of the L4's are BS sized ships... rmlm's are not so good for this. neither are the rhml's though I suppose that is what the drones are for... most BS's atm don't target drones yet. I am not talking about pve.
apologies, thought this was an over all statement, not just pvp |
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