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Churny
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Posted - 2006.05.15 18:34:00 -
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I used to have a job, but they replaced me with a macro.
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Dolly Parton
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Posted - 2006.05.15 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Pooka
And you know they are macro minners because??
there macroers when you see 2 or more sitting there mining. there names are like this
Pooka23 Pooka24 Pooka26
also
they don't answer messages when sent
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when you take there ore and put it into another can or ahul it away and their still there when you get back or 10 minutes later and their still mining and your still stealing
hmm
i am a jack of all trades and i would notice if someone came along and tried to steal my ore. if that situation did a rise thats what my alt and corp mates are for.
bye bye
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Captain Budwieser
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Posted - 2006.05.15 22:28:00 -
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Quote: The rules of conduct I presume says no macroing, suggesting they dont need proof. However not all EULAs stand up in court.
they have been judged lawfully meaningless in a few places, im not sure about the EUs stance on this but i imagine a good knowlage of law would allow you to pick holes in most EULAs
I wish you hadnt linked it now cause after reading that i have the urge (im resisting ) to post whining about it
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Svetlana Scarlet
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Posted - 2006.05.16 00:00:00 -
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Those of you with 2 accounts so you can mine with one and haul with the other shouldn't be too worried about being called a macrominer/ore farmer. Generally, there's at least three and as many as a half dozen or more miners, and one hauler. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet Chief of Diplomatic Staff Captain, CNS Shield of Larani Caldari Independent Navy Reserve |
Taketa De
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Posted - 2006.05.16 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Budwieser
Quote: The rules of conduct I presume says no macroing, suggesting they dont need proof. However not all EULAs stand up in court.
they have been judged lawfully meaningless in a few places, im not sure about the EUs stance on this but i imagine a good knowlage of law would allow you to pick holes in most EULAs
I wish you hadnt linked it now cause after reading that i have the urge (im resisting ) to post whining about it
Since they can ban you on a whim anytime they choose the EULA is there to lay the ground rules of what you should or shouldn't do.
You can't get sued or anything for breaking it = it's not against the law. You can get kicked out of EVE however if you do stuff you shouldn't according to the EULA. --- The Advanced Drone Control Panel. |
Schneuzelchen
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Posted - 2006.05.24 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Pratorien Since CCP will do nothing to stop these cheaters. I've made a few mining alts to liberate all this illegal ore !!
I'd like you all to post known macro miners so the people who make a good amount of ore off them knows who to look for with the locator agents.
I can;t stand cheaters and idiots who have to use means to have an edge when its unfair. I've made a killing the last 3 days off macro miners, so it is nice :)
hurley 0 - covetor Luer 3 - covetor wind123 - barge casual - covetor SweetLittleGirl - covetor music se - covetor Mormor - Hauler Telvstar - osprey pad5cat - osprey
Post away !!
I have some macro miners in Tennen
Vaguebi - Hauler
sopuya - osprey getono - osprey lopufu - osprey lusofa - osprey
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Valkazm
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Posted - 2006.05.24 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Pratorien I wish CCP would actually do something about it but alas.... they won;t.
On the bright side.. it's like your own personal mining op. Find a group of macro miners in covetors and you make a killing off them. Do I feel bad? No nto at all. They want to cheat, I have np being Robin Hood.
Now if it's a real person than no I would never touch it. I've never stolen ore but I darn well liberate it from cheaters :)
But yeah like the above poster... macro miners will fill your bank real quick :) I made opver 14 hauls of 9800 space yesterday off a crew of them. They don't speak they don;t move.. the cans keep being jetted and refilled. My own mining op lol
LoL all you need now is your own corp
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Doman Dray
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Posted - 2006.05.31 16:44:00 -
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Ugly Kid - last seen in Colcer (Belt V-1) - using a Retriever - probably EBay AutoMiner - warping to station after every Strip Miner Cycle Same as usual - not answering to convos, warping in and out, ... Best thing: there were no roids left and he still warped in and out every 3 minutes - didn't use the miners then of course because there was nothing left.
So - simply kill him.
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2006.05.31 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Pratorien I wish CCP would actually do something about it but alas.... they won;t.
On the bright side.. it's like your own personal mining op. Find a group of macro miners in covetors and you make a killing off them. Do I feel bad? No nto at all. They want to cheat, I have np being Robin Hood.
Now if it's a real person than no I would never touch it. I've never stolen ore but I darn well liberate it from cheaters :)
But yeah like the above poster... macro miners will fill your bank real quick :) I made opver 14 hauls of 9800 space yesterday off a crew of them. They don't speak they don;t move.. the cans keep being jetted and refilled. My own mining op lol
I hope you pettitioned them first...If not comming here and posting about "stealing" their ore makes you as guilty as them.
And subject to account bans.
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0Nailz0
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Posted - 2006.06.07 02:05:00 -
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I'm still a noob to Eve and don't appreciate MacroMiners but I don't see how this destroys the Eve Market exactly. People put in a buy order for Mins.in exchange for ISK. The macrominer fills the ore/mins need and collects the ISK. He then sells this ISK to someone on Ebay. The person buying the ISK obviously needs the ISK for an immediate purchase or else why pay RL cask for it? So now instead of some miner holding onto the ISK for however long, it is fired immediately back into the economy. This can actually stimulate the economy because it is probably a Eve noob that can't afford sh*t without the services of said macrominers' ISK. So now, instead of a noob waiting and saving for months for that Implant or whatever, he is now injecting that ISK today. Are macrominers cheating because they mine while AFK? Yes. Are all of the ore reserves mined before the replenish days every week? No way, especially the lowgrade stuff. So now you have people that are cheating by mining ore that may have not been mined and replaced by new ore. That unmined ore would not have been refined and not have been turned into ISK and not put into the economy.
In closing, I don't agree with macrominers. I don't, but my very limited understanding of economics can't find where they are actually hurting the economy. Please, elighten me so I can understand where you all coming from. Again, I am an Eve noob myself so I would appreciate any and all critisism of my post. Please note that I am now used to people finding ways to cheat in every damn FPS that I have ever played so it doesn't faze me as much when it comes to someone Macro'ing while they sleep or whatever.
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var'ulfur
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Posted - 2006.06.07 02:58:00 -
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well marco miners isk farmers not a real diff other than an isk farmer runs 6 or more accounts, with a few comps to switch them around to work them. either or this or that it means little.
am i a robin hood no but if im mining the same systems as they are i do all i can to run them off. i work within the game mecanics set forth by ccp so if thier marcos or isk farmers or just people that dont mind thier ore being taken i careless.
dose what they do hurt eve yes!in many ways will it be stoped by ccp i dont think so. too many veriables to work over with the power of two and so on.
and on a side note i seem to draw the grammer police alot so fyi many years ago got way to close to a morter blast head never did go back the way it was so live with it.......
talk is cheap the cost of action is enormus
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Hammer Smash
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Posted - 2006.06.07 03:12:00 -
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The Caldari Asteroid Liberation Front [C-ALF] has been established to fight the growing cancer of illegal ISK to USD conversion operations. [C-ALF] operates a liberate first, ask questions later policy.
How does [C-ALF] recognise such operations? Typically [C-ALF] has seen 4 miners born within hours, if not minutes of each other with another hauling. This pattern has been seen repeated throughout known Caldari space.
These people have also wisened up to the hunters and created corporations - thinking that [C-ALF] would ignore them, now they have left state run corporations. This is of course, their mistake. [C-ALF] has been readying war declarations on these criminals.
Income obtained from ore liberation operations are used to further [C-ALF]'s objectives. The void of Caldari Space shall be free, and innocent little Bantam pilots will not have asteroids slurped up from under their noses anymore.
Hammer SMASH! CEO
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.06.07 03:28:00 -
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Many people think that macro-miners or ISK farmers are not bad thing because they depress the price of minerals for industrialists.
In fact the only people macro-miners or ISK farmers benefit at the moment are industrialists.
But that won't last for long.
Why?
Because all the macroers/ISK farmers are interested in is making in game ISK to sell in the real world.
If the price of minerals falls too much, then the ISK farmers will simply move on to other areas of the game that can be farmed to make ISK.
Already we have the ghost fleets of Caracals rat hunting in belts, and probably mission and complex farmers starting as well.
So just as the price of ore has fallen, soon the prices of stuff gained from missions/complexes will fall as well.
Also, there is nothing stopping the ISK farmers from buying T1 BPOs and using their macro ore to start flooding the market with T1 items - so eventually the T1 industrialists start to loose out too.
So the Miners, Complex Runners, T1 industrialists, Missoners and NPC rat hunts will all eventually get screwed by the farmers. Great for the PvPers, right?
Wrong. T2 BPOs are still a natural monopoly in Eve. However, the ability to buy 100 mil bundles of ISK for $15 USD a pop means that the highly desirable items like HACs remain expense as anyone who can fly one can buy the ISK off the Farmers rather than earn the ISK in game.
That's the problem with macroers and farmers in MMORGs: ultimately everyone looses except for them. If Eve dies, the macroers/ISK farmers don't care, as no doubt they are farming other games at the same time.
CCP has to realise that: all the macroers and farmers are also paying for their accounts, but the macroers and farmers will only stay as long as real players are in sufficient numbers to provide enough players willing to buy ISK in the real world. If the real players get POed enough about competing with programs or child labour in third world server farmers and leave Eve, the macroers and farmers will also leave.
It's funny in some ways that everyone in Western Nations fear losing their jobs to people in places like India or China. Exactly the same thing can happen to you in Eve.
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Betonela
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Posted - 2006.06.07 07:04:00 -
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here u get a movie how to kill a barge even if u get killed by concord
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AthlonJedi
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Posted - 2006.06.12 03:04:00 -
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Ya know..... if some bonehead came along and tried to steal my ore that i have been watching paint dry to get i would be p*ssed and he would be dead, but when you can sit there and take every scrap of ore from thier jettison containers and completly fill yours then i would say they are :
A. too stupid to be playing eve. B. MACROMINING c. have a bigillion isk that they bought from ebay and just dont care about loosing ore.
so which ever you prefer, if you macromine in my corp space , expect to get your sh*t jacked. and if I catch them in our low sec space they recieve the all famous PK.
in my opinion CCP should make it possable to attack a ship in high sec as long as you warn them you are going to fire on them so that if they respond , well you know they are legit players, if not, PK it is.
This could be acomplished via a pm and have a timer for say 5 min to give the suspected macroer time to respond befor you could acculy fire. |
Drizit
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Posted - 2006.06.12 05:11:00 -
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In highsec, many people don't even have local open so thay are not likely to respond. They don't respond to bumping, that means they are either dumb or that bumping them isn't causing them a real problem.
I don't see how reporting them would make any difference. They mine, if we take their ore, we are flagged and they have justification to fire on us. The fact that they don't is not proof of macro mining.
We can only really surmise that they are macro mining since we have no way to inspect their PC for a third party macro program.
If they don't respond in any way, even when we steal their ore, more fool them. Ore stealing is a part of the game that has been around since long before macros even discovered the game. It is something that you can legitimately do within the game mechanics unless you are using a macro to do it. Anyone who is operating the PC will see you do it once and maybe tolerate it but either respond or move if you do it again. Anyone who leaves their PC unattended for long enough that you can do it constantly is just asking for it to happen.
I had several groups that mined out my local system regularly. I harrassed them, stole from them and generally made myself a niusance. I have not once had any response in local from them and not once have they ever tried to fire on me. I reported them all at one time or another but to no avail, they still played and still mined out my local system and the surrounding systems.
I guess they got the message, they don't come into my home system now but they still mine out the surrounding systems. I am not about to chase them all over Eve but I have the right to defend my home system from their likes so that the corps who are based there can continue to mine and manufacture the same as we have always done before the macro miners came. Going out into the roid belts and finding only Veld is not funny when you need mins to manufacture and you know full well that they have had all the good ore just so they can sell isk on Ebay.
Another corp of Texas based players also used to police our system against them, sadly they have disbanded and gone seperate ways. Partly the reason for their disbanding was because of the macro miners and the resulting lack of good ore so it's not just the economy the macro miners are screwing up. We could not police the system 23/7 so quite often we had times when there was nothing left to mine.
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Malygris
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Posted - 2006.06.13 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Martin Gore THey allways jettison a can caleed a random number say "222262726627" with a bookmark in it (sure sign of macro the bm in a can)
That's ridiculous. I put a bookmark in my jettisonned container when I participate in a mining operation with members of my corporation to keep it from blowing up everytime the hauler takes the ore out of it.
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Ehker Gerete
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Posted - 2006.06.13 04:24:00 -
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you can steal from the macroers, just petition them. even though it doesnt do anything. basically youre doing what you can while the GM's go have coffee or whatever --------------
Quote: Ninteen units of 75mm Gatling Rail I will be awarded to you as a bonus if you complete the mission within 1 hour and 20 minutes
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Ehker Gerete
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Posted - 2006.06.13 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dolly Parton
Originally by: Pooka
And you know they are macro minners because??
there macroers when you see 2 or more sitting there mining. there names are like this
Pooka23 Pooka24 Pooka26
also
they don't answer messages when sent
and
when you take there ore and put it into another can or ahul it away and their still there when you get back or 10 minutes later and their still mining and your still stealing
hmm
i am a jack of all trades and i would notice if someone came along and tried to steal my ore. if that situation did a rise thats what my alt and corp mates are for.
bye bye
my 1km/s slasher (soon ot be a 1km/s rax) works fairly well for detection.
ram a few km out. if i get a convo asking "what are you doing" theyre real. if not, its a macro.
and dont be worried about people getting too mad at you, I did it, one guy said "you thinks its funny ramming my ship away from the can?" and all I said was "no im looking for macroers. sorry to bother you" and no problems there.
another time i rammed them about 8km away until they responded and me ramming them back was faster than them going on their own thrusters. lol. --------------
Quote: Ninteen units of 75mm Gatling Rail I will be awarded to you as a bonus if you complete the mission within 1 hour and 20 minutes
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Vincent Gaines
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Posted - 2006.06.13 04:59:00 -
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Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 13/06/2006 05:02:20
Originally by: Hammer Smash The Caldari Asteroid Liberation Front [C-ALF] has been established to fight the growing cancer of illegal ISK to USD conversion operations. [C-ALF] operates a liberate first, ask questions later policy.
How does [C-ALF] recognise such operations? Typically [C-ALF] has seen 4 miners born within hours, if not minutes of each other with another hauling. This pattern has been seen repeated throughout known Caldari space.
These people have also wisened up to the hunters and created corporations - thinking that [C-ALF] would ignore them, now they have left state run corporations. This is of course, their mistake. [C-ALF] has been readying war declarations on these criminals.
Income obtained from ore liberation operations are used to further [C-ALF]'s objectives. The void of Caldari Space shall be free, and innocent little Bantam pilots will not have asteroids slurped up from under their noses anymore.
Hammer SMASH! CEO
I've worked with C-ALF on occasion in "liberation of ore" and have been very impress by your guys.
The Allied Industrial Defense Syndicate (yes, the acronym was unintentional) works hard to libeerate the areas around and within Sankkasen, which is widely known to be a heavily farmed spot.
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As to spotting farmers, I have it down to a science. Even then they try saying they're not, it's so transparent you it's hard to be wrong.
If anyone wants to see how easy it is, stop by Sankkasen sometime.
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Dessa DesPlains
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Posted - 2006.06.13 12:46:00 -
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It takes 7.5 million tritanium to build one raven. How much tritanium came out of your last mining op? Without someone to mine huge amounts of low end minerals, production would grind to a halt. |
Aluap
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Posted - 2006.06.14 20:48:00 -
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What we all deem to be macro miners mostly turns out to not be a macro at all, but someone mining and hauling. Ive helped liberate ore, ive petitioned ive tried everything. Petitioned and told GMs to come look.
What happens is because these accounts are run by people, when the respond to investigations it removes any 3rd party involvement. And because of that it not bannable because there is an actual person sat at then keyboard.
What puzzles me is that these account run 23 hours a day 7 days a week. So shouldn't that set alarm bells off?
These people get paid to play EVE. And if you are getting paid to play EVE it means only one thing. And its not a nice clean fantastic job :)
Its everywhere and spoils the game for the real players. That said, EVE has become pretty much dependant on it and the economy would probably suffer if it was stopped instantly.
There are people out there that pay for isks and while ever that happens we will see these players with the dodgy names.
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Hockston Axe
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Posted - 2006.06.14 22:25:00 -
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IÆve been living in an area that has a macro to player ratio of at least 1:1 and itÆs no fun trying to mine there. ItÆs a deserted area with a lot of belts and a disproportionate amount of pyrox in the belts. (The average belt has 500k units of pyrox, plus tons of scord and veld)
IÆve watched these guys a lot, theyÆve jumped into a belt I was mining and started to do their thing a few times. (There are at least 5-6 separate groups of them) What gets me though is that some of these toons must have been purchased from auction, because they have corp and standing histories (and real names), but now theyÆre in a starter corp and acting like a bot. DonÆt try to tell me that a person is going to warp into a belt and start to suck up each and every roid beginning with the closest ones first, then moving out until every rock within range is gone, then moving to start vacuuming up the next chunk of belt. This particular group also uses an Occator for its hauler. They donÆt fit the usual mark, but they definitely work with clockwork precision. (And donÆt ever ever leave the area, none of them do.)
In this region each and every belt is reduced to nothing but an odd rock or two every single week, twice a week. If you look at the map there are never more than ten players in any of the systems, yet those few players manage to strip every belt in the region. Looking at faction ships destroyed, these macro infested systems have 2 to 3 times the number of faction ships destroyed compared to the surrounding systems which have a similar population, but no macro infestation. Interestingly IÆve also noticed one or two of them with escrows of large quantities of veld, scord and pyrox for odd 98M and change amounts set up right at their base stations. (These are only suspected macros though, not confirmed, but odd all the same, as the station is 13 jumps from any kind of hub, about 30 to Jita.)
I think the only point of this post, was to point out to those who say stealing the ore from a macro is akin to cheating themselves, would have to add that anyone who may have had a character auctioned off could have been contributing to macroing if purchased for that use, and therefore a cheater by your definition. Furthermore the can of a macro is more than likely only going to contain veld or scord, IÆve found itÆs not even worth the effort to steal it. As for toon names, when I see Larry1, Larry2 and Larry3 IÆm thinking itÆs a person with multiple accounts, when I see nixohw, xoymel, and ox8ehlsi, all in different start corps with no histories working together like clockwork, that raises an eyebrow (or those names plus a real name with the same history, I see that a lot too.)
I donÆt think they break the game by any means, but they are a nuisance if in your area.
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Chickeneye
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Posted - 2006.06.15 13:04:00 -
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Here are some macro-ers i discovered earlier today in Mazitah throot, qiushuzhen, ZhangManYu, admssle, Enzo Swift All have been reported - heres hoping CCP do something for once. 1 suiside kestrel is not enough to get them all |
Rashmika Clavain
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Posted - 2006.06.15 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hammer Smash The Caldari Asteroid Liberation Front [C-ALF]
Hmmm I was tempted to sign up to the Caldari Front for Asteroid Liberation tbh... although the Popular Caldari Asteroid Liberation Front also has its appeal.
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Michelle Deathmind
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Posted - 2006.06.19 10:25:00 -
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Oie. Join the macrointel channel.
Stealing from macro miners is perfectly acceptable. And it's very profitable too. CCP won't ban you for it.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.06.19 10:30:00 -
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stealling from macroers is a service to eve as it keeps the minerals ingame for real production which benefits those players that play eve for the enjoyment
Im wondering why this thread hasnt been locked tho
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Sgt Job
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Posted - 2006.06.19 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: M4RY J4NE If the ore goes into a players wallet rather than out of the game and onto ebay explain to me how thats bad?
When every macrominer strips the belts with their 4-5 barge-armada 24/7 and then put the ore on market it gets flooded. Prices for low end minerals drop and honest miners don't get as much for their ore as they should (supply and demand). By stealing the macrominers ore and sell it on the market, you are not in any way helping us with the problem. The same amount of ore is put on the market when you sell what you've stolen By doing this you undermine the honest miners and their business and should therefore, just like the macrominers, be shot on sight.
Originally by: Dessa DesPlains It takes 7.5 million tritanium to build one raven. How much tritanium came out of your last mining op? Without someone to mine huge amounts of low end minerals, production would grind to a halt.
Without the macrominers raping the fields the ore prices would rise and more (honest) people would start to mine too meet the increased demand.
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Chippsetter
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Posted - 2006.07.27 22:45:00 -
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"DonÆt try to tell me that a person is going to warp into a belt and start to suck up each and every roid beginning with the closest ones first, then moving out until every rock within range is gone, then moving to start vacuuming up the next chunk of belt."
Actually I am doing that right now in my barge as what mins I can't use I can sell for much needed isk to buy what I can't mine.
I now know of 2 player corps that are actually using macro miners.
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Pairadocs
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Posted - 2006.07.28 02:04:00 -
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Quote: They contribute to ruining the game so they can do thier little ebay and such.
when was the last time you werent able to by a new cruiser or BS cause of a macro miner? when was the last time you went to sell mins and a little message popped up that said "Dear Player, due to the ebil macro miners we are unable to buy your minerals, thank you"
your logic and methods behind what you are doing are completely flawed, yet you have this blind hatered toward anyone in a barge mining to a can that you just go around trying to kill them and feel justified.
tell me this, if you went and blew up a large barge with full tech 2 everything that was mining some ice cause you thought he was a macro miner, then in local you see "WTF I go to get a drink and come back and im in a pod?" Would you be so kind and reimburse the person the 10's of millions that you just cost him because you have this little personal vendetta?
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