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syphurous
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.01 22:56:00 -
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Alex I want my 2 minutes back I spent reading the first page till I realised the date on the posts.
I reckon 10mil isk should cover my time.
I look forward to seeing my wallet flash. ______________________________
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Darth Vaders
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Hando Gin it players like you that make me sick , im an honest miner with 2 accounts , 1 for mining and one for hauling , and im sick to death of idiot gankers like you trying to steal my ore and gank me , does having 2 accounts make me a macro miner even though im constantly at the controls , i think not
If you like to do everything solo then why you bother to play a multiplayer game? What corps are for? I really dislike people that use multiple characters as a whole. CCP should use means to make people stop that like for example forbid simultaneous connections from same ip (just an idea don;t know if is possible)
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Ashaz
Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Ashaz on 10/06/2007 11:26:45
Originally by: Da Death
Originally by: Pratorien Da Death is really into defending macro miners lol
Macro mine much? :)
can't read eh?
What is he suposed to have ready? You haven't given any arguments at all. All you've realy done is call him an idiot.
As mentioned above. macrominers are realy easy to spot. They are breaking the eula, so why not have a little fun with them?
edit: hm. some necroing here. iDrone |
codex09
Minmatar Entropy Systems Mining Co.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:55:00 -
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I know of 3 people that aren't marco-miners but that have had their ore stolen and then had the low life players that did it come back and destroy their barge's.
At a guess these people will probably use the excuse they were stealing from marco-miners also for destroying these 3 peoples ships..
So to the people that think they are doing the game some sort of service by going around stealing ore from other people I hav a couple of questions:
1). When you run your very thorough checks to make sure the people you are stealing from are marco-miners do you also think of the possibility that the person could be talking via their own corp channel and there for miss anything asked or said on a local channel?
2). Does the fact that you are stealing from another player whether they are a marco-miner or not mean you are doing the game a service, or is that just an excuse you are using to try to justify the fact that you are stealing from another player who might not be a marco-miner and may just be AFK or talking via some other channel. Hey what if they person can't understand english or whatever language you try to talk to them in and they don't reply to you because they have no idea what it is you are saying to them.
Personally I am not a marco-miner, BUT I am concerned that if/when I do go AFK for 1 minute while I go to the toilet I am going to be targetted as a macro-miner and have my ore stolen and my ship destroyed.
As for the person on the first page that made the statement that he only steals from marco-miners or people in noob corps I would have to ask why is that? Are you worried that if you steal from someone in a big corp you will get your self blasted out of the space you sit in?
This problem is not one that players should take it upon themselves to do something about because of the possible problems doing this sort of thing can cause. I have not completely read through the EULA or any the other rules the game has, but I would think that taking it upon yourself to punish people for something they are or are not doing would also be breaking these rules and/or agreements...
Now as for people that have multiple accounts using more than one of them at a time, what is wrong with that? It is their own money they are spending to pay for game time so hey if they want to make CCP extra $$$ then that is totally up to them. From what I have seen and heard there are a lot of people that do this and not just so they can macro-mine....
Anyway I guess when it all comes down to it there really isn't much anyone can say that will stop you doing something if you really feel you have a right to do it. Just take responsibility for what you do without trying to justify it with old worn out excuses.
In The Beginning Man Lived Just Like The Animals & For Some Nothing Has Changed!?! |
Shaeba
Minmatar SUBLIME L.L.C. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.10 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Martin Gore
(sure sign of macro the bm in a can)
I just wanted to point out, that the bookmark in the can does NOT necessarily mean you're dealing with a macroer. I tend to stick a can pin in my cans when I'm mining and hauling so I don't have to worry about popping the can and setting out a new one. I've never macro mined, or gone AFK in a belt. Then again AFK in 0.0 tends to be begging for a gank anyway ;)
And on a completely unrelated note... Great name, great band. :)
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Loyal Servant
Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.06.10 15:10:00 -
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Ok, let me set some of you straight right now.
1. Taking ore from a macro miner, isk farmer, player, can in space, friggin space mole or the like will NOT get you banned.
GMs have been clear in MANY of my petitions that taking ore is a legitimate game mechanic and since you THINK that player is doing something wrong - it is not your fault.
So, STFU about getting banned for stealing ore. That is complete NONSENSE!
Second, you should petition everyone you think is an isk farmer, macro miner, or the likes. READ THIS ARTICLE!
I make a living harassing farmers and macros. Not banned yet. Myth debunked - I with the macro/isk FANBOYS would leave people that are trying to make their game a nicer place alone.
Usually its BOB/RA/GOONS or other alliances KNOWN TO HARBOR ISK FARMERS that cry foul anyhow.
By all means, go harass isk farmers, take their ore, blow them up....
Please, petition them however.
Another public service announcement courtesy TSDS - and your favorite macro ganker :)
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Drizit
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.10 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Vaders If you like to do everything solo then why you bother to play a multiplayer game? What corps are for? I really dislike people that use multiple characters as a whole. CCP should use means to make people stop that like for example forbid simultaneous connections from same ip (just an idea don;t know if is possible)
So me and my two kids can't play at the same time?
That's fine, we really won't mind having to get 3 internet connections to the house just so all 3 of us can play the game together
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Loyal Servant
Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.06.10 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Drizit
Originally by: Darth Vaders If you like to do everything solo then why you bother to play a multiplayer game? What corps are for? I really dislike people that use multiple characters as a whole. CCP should use means to make people stop that like for example forbid simultaneous connections from same ip (just an idea don;t know if is possible)
So me and my two kids can't play at the same time?
That's fine, we really won't mind having to get 3 internet connections to the house just so all 3 of us can play the game together
There is something to 30 connections from an address and should be investigated IMHO.
3 is hardly an issue, 30 is questionable at best. Rice farm shops probably have in excess of 30....
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.10 19:12:00 -
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The only people who would bash someone for this post are macro-miners themselves. RISE Recruitment Thread
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:12:00 -
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I know 3 legitimate PC miners, mining solo in high sec, no macros, not even a hauler, that got ganked yesterday alone. Not a single attempt was made to contact any of the 3 of them. Legitimate miners play for fun, **** them off they leave. Macros play for ISK, not fun. **** them off they just move around and refine their programs. They don't EVER leave because they got ganked or are mad.
Remember, every time you gank a player and they quit YOU have helped make macros more profitable. Be sure of your targets Its got to the point that I am tired enough of dodging would be suiciders that I have quit mining all together and wind up buying my minerals instead, probably from macros since they are about all that is left with any large supplies of minerals. <-----------> Factional Warfare:
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Camilo Cienfuegos
EP0CH
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:20:00 -
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It is not possible to adequately detect macro-miners, and so innocent miners will be killed. This is not as undesirable as it may seem at first, as the market for minerals is in a dire position at present, and thinning out the numbers would probably be a good thing. -- Fix Caldari Fix Insurance |
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn The only people who would bash someone for this post are macro-miners themselves.
Wrong. Many legitimate miners get ****ed at these posts because WE are the ones getting ganked.
Gank legitimate miners, they quit. Gank Macros, they NEVER quit. Why? Because they aren't doing this for fun.
Every miner that quits because they got ganked INCREASES the profitability of macros. I don't care if you gank macros, but I do care a lot when gankers indescriminately gank miners "because they were a macro" when they never made any attempt to contact said player, never checked employment history, age of those in the mining op, etc. And it happens ALL the time.
I wouldn't be surprised if CCP doesn't put measures in place to reduce this behavior because of the negative effect it is having on legitimate players.
The only way to stop macros is to not buy ISK. Period. Every miner you get by accident (or many times on purpose) just makes them more profitable and less likely to leave.
So watch your targets and yell at those that don't <-----------> Factional Warfare:
The LowSec wars which never happened. |
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos It is not possible to adequately detect macro-miners, and so innocent miners will be killed. This is not as undesirable as it may seem at first, as the market for minerals is in a dire position at present, and thinning out the numbers would probably be a good thing.
When I started 8 months ago belts were full of player corps mining. Many corps had "strip the belt" days where they took 20-50 players out and had fun stripping belts. Those things started dissapearing 4-5 months ago with the rise of suiciding miners. Most posters at the time claimed the same as you just did, where the end result was somehow worth it.
Now all you find in the belts are macros and a few solo miners. Tell me exactly how this is better? The big mining corps are pretty much gone from the belts and all that are left are macros. Even my old system is infested with them. We take their ore, bump their haulers, petition after petition, etc but they are still there. Its sad, but there isn't anyone else waiting to mine the belts either. <-----------> Factional Warfare:
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Camilo Cienfuegos
EP0CH
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:45:00 -
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Edited by: Camilo Cienfuegos on 10/06/2007 23:44:51
Quote: IWhen I started 8 months ago belts were full of player corps mining. Many corps had "strip the belt" days where they took 20-50 players out and had fun stripping belts. Those things started dissapearing 4-5 months ago with the rise of suiciding miners. Most posters at the time claimed the same as you just did, where the end result was somehow worth it.
I'm actually sat on the fence, but I see where you're coming from. Might I also point out that the time frame you indicated also corresponds with the removal of Ice from high security systems?
I don't know about you, but that sets alarm bells ringing in regards to these "mining corps". Either their legit and have gone in search of The Almighty Ore, or they were merely an undetected macro. I know a few players who pay for 10 or more accounts - and I wouldn't be surprised if they were using software to aid their mining efforts. Bear in mind, a macro miner isn't necessarily an AFK miner. He's just a miner who's too lazy to click!
Quote: Now all you find in the belts are macros and a few solo miners. Tell me exactly how this is better? The big mining corps are pretty much gone from the belts and all that are left are macros. Even my old system is infested with them. We take their ore, bump their haulers, petition after petition, etc but they are still there. Its sad, but there isn't anyone else waiting to mine the belts either.
Yet the population of eve has only grown. I wonder where all these pilots are? I presume you've heard of the rising trend of mining corps - and specifically suspected macro-mining corps - attempting to join 0.0 alliances?
Again, doesn't this get your spidey-sense tingling? -- Fix Caldari Fix Insurance |
Judge Ment
ECMI
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:50:00 -
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In away im sorta like my buddy the macro miner - isk farmer - whatever ya wanna call it.
Only one thing makes me different - Im a foolish eve player clicking a mouse when "Future of Macro -ing" Is here.
But even though its dishonest I want to thank them for Mining them Huge, Godly and Monster size Veld that grow and grow with each day!
Muahaha
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syphurous
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:52:00 -
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*Drives stake through threads heart*
Stay dead damnit ! ______________________________
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Mary Lyonesse
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:57:00 -
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If you want good targets, try Oiniken:
31 belts, filled with macro-miners...
Have fun!
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SchirmerN
Amarr WKK Inc. United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.06.11 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Anaalys FluuterbyWrong Gank Macros, they NEVER quit. Why? Because they aren't doing this for fun
Wrong. I killed many macros and farmers. Alot of them have quit for good. Just keep shoting and ganking them, and they WILL leave
Originally by: Anaalys FluuterbyWrong The only way to stop macros is to not buy ISK.
Wrong. And that never gonna happen anyway Keep working on them until they get enough, and quit. Allso if someone dont respond/AFK mine its their own fault that they get ganked. But its not realy that hard to find out if they are macros/farmers
Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos It is not possible to adequately detect macro-miners, and so innocent miners will be killed.
Plenty of ways to find out if they are macros. 1: NPC corp 2: Made on same dates 3: Funny names 4: Not responding etc etc
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Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2007.06.11 16:07:00 -
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I'm going to go out in a tanked Covetor with no mining lasers fitted (cheap if suicided!), drop a can called "omggsdjkflf" have my alt coming and going in a hauler to a spot where there's nothing there, and reply to any covos angrily and in nonsensical pidgin English.
"You son of Bruce Wayne, you are dishonourable wildebeeste. Harmonica."
But I'm not actually going to mine anything, just a minor bit of "inverse griefing" for anyone that wants to waste time sitting around watching me and waiting to nick anything!
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.11 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: SchirmerN
Plenty of ways to find out if they are macros. 1: NPC corp 2: Made on same dates 3: Funny names 4: Not responding etc etc
Of these you listed the only one that holds true and can be relied on is #2
Remember, we are living in the age of Yahoo@ spam accounts where everything that can be a name and is in english has been taken already. It is NORMAL to have non-sensical names with numerical characters, many of those correlate back to actual Yahoo accounts (yes, I've found a bunch of them ). And you hear players *****ing in local all the time when they get ganked because of those names.....
I'm not defending macros by any means, destroy them all. But I have too many friends that no longer play because of being ganked and then smacked-talked "because they were macros". And those that did it always take the moral high-ground for their actions (see the post "some innocent miners might get caught" earlier), while I personally believe all they wanted was to kill something. I've even watched friends be "identified" in Macro-Intel as macros, once while one of those players was in the channel arguing about not being one.
How many legitimate players have quit because of these crusades? And how many of those ones that you claim quit are actually just using different accounts?
Only CCP knows, but in my circle I know of 3 formerly decent sized corps and around 2 dozen players that are no longer in EvE because of things like this. And no, none of them were macros... <-----------> Factional Warfare:
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.11 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn The only people who would bash someone for this post are macro-miners themselves.
Wrong. Many legitimate miners get ****ed at these posts because WE are the ones getting ganked.
Gank legitimate miners, they quit. Gank Macros, they NEVER quit. Why? Because they aren't doing this for fun.
Basically, people gank anyone they can, but try even harder to gank macroers. Stop threatening to quit, we are going to kill you anyway. RISE Recruitment Thread
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.11 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn The only people who would bash someone for this post are macro-miners themselves.
Wrong. Many legitimate miners get ****ed at these posts because WE are the ones getting ganked.
Gank legitimate miners, they quit. Gank Macros, they NEVER quit. Why? Because they aren't doing this for fun.
Basically, people gank anyone they can, but try even harder to gank macroers. Stop threatening to quit, we are going to kill you anyway.
heh.
I have never been ganked (not that I don't expect to be sometime). And I am not quitting anytime soon, the game is waaaay too fun I also don't mine anymore due to the current trends, my barge hasn't left dock in almost 3 months.
I do miss many of my friends though, they are the ones that got me started in EvE. Without their high recommend I would never have given it a try, now they hate it <-----------> Factional Warfare:
The LowSec wars which never happened. |
cal nereus
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.06.12 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: CaptainSeafort may i point out that taking a macroers ore WITHOUT NOTIFYING VIA PETITION FIRST, AND WAITING FOR REPLY implcaites you as a macro miner too, and you may get banned. petition, or be warned =P
Noted. =D
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Taran Summers
The Merovingians
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Posted - 2007.06.12 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: Taran Summers on 12/06/2007 03:10:45 Chribba - That Veldnought's not manned, I swears it. Dark Shikari - No HUMAN could do that many coherent posts in that short amount of time. Here AND on teh Wiki. Hutch - Automated forum censoring machine! If only CCP coded the in-game drones with this level of skill.
P.S. - Quick question. If a topic gets necroed, but people jump on it and keep going for pages. What's the problem with it? :Tucks his copy of the Chribbanomicon (Book of talking to mined veldspar) behind a potted plant so its not on the viewscreen anymore: |
Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.12 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Taran Summers Dark Shikari - No HUMAN could do that many coherent posts in that short amount of time. Here AND on teh Wiki.
Cyberbrain ftw
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Shiguni Jhi
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Posted - 2007.06.15 00:03:00 -
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I am having keyboard trouble, can't esc to get to petition, but if someone wants to gank some macro miners, they're in Laah (Citadel)
xlqro3 xlqro4 xlqro8 qingtianzhu1 qingtianzhu2
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RaivynBlood
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Posted - 2007.07.06 08:50:00 -
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i found this on a site giving directions on how to make a macro for mining, but it kept the program which they used to make the macro a secret, they put it up simply to make a point. here is the post:
"#40 by wowzer, May 31, 2007 For all those against this i have a few things to say:
1) mining is the most boring and slow way of making money for ingame use; 2) mineral prices are kept constant by the macrominers, and fluctuated by traders that are not using macros for that (they can`t); 3) mineral prices would rise if all miners would have to stay there and mine for hours and hours... noob miners would simply give it up and start something else, as the yeld is infinitely small and the amount of time spent is huge; 4) if the prices for minerals go up, so do the prices for ships and items, therefore making everything more expensive and making everyone work harder and dedicate more time to staying ingame (unless you are a total computer addict allready, i doubt you would like to spend hours at a time doing nothing but smacktalking on chats and mining) 5) next time you buy a cheap ship think about the macros that mined the ore for it to be built at that price.
conclusion: unless the game mechanism is fundamentally changed, macrominers should be allowed but strictly controlled because imo one account with a macrominer is no big deal, plenty of them for one user may become a problem and should not be allowed.
ISK sellers should be tracked and banned, i personally do not fully agree with that, although in some cases it is what earns people their very existance... sad, i know...
so consider all this before you go around pointing fingers. there are worse things than macrominers. think about the npc-ing bots... placed in deep 0.0 earn more money than any macro-miner however skilled it is... plus the trading manipulation of markets and so on... the list of bad things is pretty long, one guy in a miner using a macro seems to me like the least important."
yah... imo, thats more than enough explination. i play FFXI too and the fact is, the worst enemy you will have is gil/gold/isk/plat buyers/sellers, and that goes for all mmo players. so lay off the macro miners and worry about bigger probs, like say a life
and for the recored, thank you wowzer, whoever you are
p.s. thank you MP "We've emailed CCP about macro mining like how it is shown above and they say it is not cheating and your account will not be de-activated BUT they DO NOT condone it's use."
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Alpha Wolfgang
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Posted - 2007.08.09 23:14:00 -
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I'm not a macro miner, im only 2 weeks into this game... and i dont see what you guys are crying about a good argument.
i fully agree to the post above (i read that same post on another website)
with no macros, the market will be just a beeotch. theres nothing wrong with macros, if the person is willing to pay $15 for another account, he sure as hell deserves to have a macro going.
i myself have had my ore stolen a few times... it ****es me off. i find that ore thieves are a LOT worse than a macro. macros only help the market. and if your sooo crazy for some ore, go there and mine right when the ore respawns (mondays and fridays i believe).
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syphurous
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.09 23:44:00 -
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STAY DEAD !!
Moderator, please lock this FFS ___
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BritishInvader
Amarr Leela's Lamas
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Posted - 2007.08.09 23:53:00 -
[150]
This entire thread is full of grade A idiocy. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- EVE ART STORE - CLICK HERE
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