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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:33:00 -
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Check out the impact of the Council of Stellar Management (CSM) from both the CSM and CCP perspective here.
Feel free to post your questions, comments, and feedback in this thread. I'll try to get to as many as I can. CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
1005
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:42:00 -
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I know some people were looking for a black version of the CSM logo, for sites with white backgrounds, so here you go: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65974/1/CSM_Black.png CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:46:00 -
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Quote: If you think the CSM has no value except as a free ride to Iceland, you are wrong. If you think the CSM are only pushing changes in favor of null-security cartels, voice your opinion and vote for someone you feel represents you to your best interest.
Is Dinsdale writing devblogs for CCP now? This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
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CCP Nullarbor
C C P C C P Alliance
631
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:49:00 -
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Or if you can't decide I have made a version which is the best of both worlds
http://i.imgur.com/77olDuV.gif CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7008
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:51:00 -
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ixnay the ullsecnay abalscay Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division. |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred
4600
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:55:00 -
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Quote:With the election of CSM9 I will be brining CCP Leeloo
Will you also be killing and cooking poor CCP Leeloo? CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
3468
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:03:00 -
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Querns wrote:Is Dinsdale writing devblogs for CCP now? No. They don't let Ytterbium write devblogs anymore. Retiring CSM Chairman GÇó My picks for CSM9: http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/2014/04/how-to-vote.html |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
3027
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:05:00 -
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my sources tell me that csm members get access to the secret starbase ui |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
698
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:08:00 -
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*scratching my head* Remove insurance. |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1059
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:19:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:my sources tell me that csm members get access to the secret starbase ui
Nah, your sources are wrong. But I am glad they didn't tell you that we know how to open the door in Captains Quarters
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Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
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Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
3468
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:44:00 -
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Tell them what happens if they don't vote, Mike. I dare you... Retiring CSM Chairman GÇó My picks for CSM9: http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/2014/04/how-to-vote.html |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
633
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Posted - 2014.04.18 21:03:00 -
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Quote: Over the past 3 months, the CSM 8 advised designers on those particular topics:
GÇó Corporation roles
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Looking forward to that blog. Coming soon... |
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CCP Arrow
C C P C C P Alliance
504
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Posted - 2014.04.18 21:07:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Querns wrote:Is Dinsdale writing devblogs for CCP now? No. They don't let Ytterbium write devblogs anymore.
Lies :-) CCP Arrow-á-á|-á Game Design Director -á|-á-áEVE Online -á|-á-á@CCP_Arrow |
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Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
1104
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Posted - 2014.04.18 21:46:00 -
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CCP Rise is adorable. That is all. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Grarr Dexx
Snuff Box
367
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Posted - 2014.04.18 22:23:00 -
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Yeah I can see the "impact" of the CSM on lowsec.
lol just kidding. |
mkint
1149
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Posted - 2014.04.18 23:00:00 -
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more shill to make people think their vote matters. It does not. CSM works for the CSM, and their in-game benefit. But then again, so does CCP. If you're not in a nullbear block, your chances of getting someone who even remotely begins to represent you is a once in a lifetime. Literally. That's as many times as it's happened for anybody who's not a nullbear. go nullsec or gtfo. What a waste. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Macker Momo
The Big Moe Eternal Pretorian Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.19 02:23:00 -
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Quote: I see the tremendous amount of work they put in every week, and I get to see all their successes and triumphs (as well as the occasional slip-up), and I am constantly in awe of it. CSM8 has been the most active CSM on record, easily doubling participation rates of the past CSM I worked with.
Thank you.
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Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
439
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Posted - 2014.04.19 03:23:00 -
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this thread is lol,
any real impact is NDA, and there's not much else, lovely minutes are reported but valid player concerns in the correct threads are ignored by ccp devs, and in general not responded to in the correct thread by csm. (yes i know many csm like to get in on the first page writing "first" but ************ in public is meh?)
bang up jobs.
The main problem is that CSM arent allowed to talk about it, and devs just arent talking about it.
The fact that you (CCP DEVS) feel the need to write a blog about how they (CSM) are not useless as they (CSM) seem says volumes about their lack of impact in the official forums. but then there have been a great many threads like this one, and a great may threads where there isnt any blue past the first five pages, mostly self congratulatory. whoopie.
I know that CSM members do a lot of work, I read the minutes when they come out, but theres is a particularly big gap between the forum presence that they should have, and the presences that they do have. CSM should have more information available to disseminate, and CCP needs to respond more on the forums, or have the csm do it. but lacking any real conviction or power when it comes to things like the ought-to-have-been-abortion-of-a-ship-painting-program to the really bad way you (CCP) have ignored the pos issues and lowsec revitalization crap you used to talk about, what power does CSM have again?
oh right, thats NDA. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1063
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Posted - 2014.04.19 05:37:00 -
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Quote:=Kusum Fawn I know that CSM members do a lot of work, I read the minutes when they come out, but theres is a particularly big gap between the forum presence that they should have, and the presences that they do have. CSM should have more information available to disseminate, and CCP needs to respond more on the forums, or have the csm do it. but lacking any real conviction or power when it comes to things like the ought-to-have-been-abortion-of-a-ship-painting-program to the really bad way you (CCP) have ignored the pos issues and lowsec revitalization crap you used to talk about, what power does CSM have again?
oh right, thats NDA.
Not all of us live on the forums but a few of us do. The last thing you would want is 'yeah, what he/she said' being posted. So you have myself and Malcanis who regularly work the forum route.
Yes, we are NDA's and no, we are not the conduit for new concept or features release. I am fairly sure CCP has a PR department for that purpose. So we have been communicating, just not saying the things you want to hear. You have Ali on the Podcast 'Declarations of War'. Myself as a regular on the podcast "Podside'. There is the central collection of our blogs on csm8.org
As to the last question. What power do we have? Only that which CCP gives us or we earn. CSM8 has gone a long way to earning the more connections, more of a mandate from the population that we represent.
And we try, gods we try. But POS's are not a little thing. We know they need fixed, THEY know they need fixed but knowing does not mean that one sprint and they are magically all better. Sove, you didn't mention that but the same applies. You did mention lowsec. Bud sadly CSM8 lacked a dedicated lowsec representative. If that is important to you then I hope you have voted for people like Sugar Kyle or DJfunkybacon so CSM9 is represented in the way that you would like it to be..
I wouldn't mind a vote tossed my way as well.
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
439
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Posted - 2014.04.19 07:30:00 -
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Actually i did vote for you Mike, and i see you occasionally on the Live events channel, I know you exist ingame what i dont see is CSM interacting with players on the forums. having your own blog is great, but the ideas and features of EVE are discussed on the forums of eve. It matters less to me that you agree/disagree with what i say, then it matters that you say it on the eve forum in the thread that is devoted to it by the devs.
I would prefer if more of you lived at least partially on the forums, but the majority of the csm seem to only post around election time. The main thrust of my post before was that there doesn't seem to be a real presence of CSM on the forums where i believe that they should have the majority of their presence. The majority of the CSM does not seem to be responding to player concerns where the players are voicing their concerns and as such a lot of your work is invisible to the eve forum reader.
I never expected you guys to be able to wave your hands and have magic fixes, but it doesn't even seem to have a lot of even hand waving happening . I understand that its mostly my impression of what you guys do, but i read some of the eve forums, i don't track down people who dont post to read their blogs or listen to their podcasts when they are effectively invisible where it matters. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15147
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Posted - 2014.04.19 08:12:00 -
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Two step wrote:Quote:With the election of CSM9 I will be brining CCP Leeloo Will you also be killing and cooking delicious CCP Leeloo?
ftfy
Here is my CSM9 endorsement list - vote for diversity of expertise : Ali Aras-á Mangala Solaris-á Mike Azariah-á Steve Ronuken James Arget-á Xander Phoena-á Sugar Kyle-á corbexx-á mynnna-á progodlegend-á Psychotic Monk-á Jayne Fillion
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
231
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Posted - 2014.04.19 08:26:00 -
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So you're saying is that you little politicians are actually useful ? As something else then turning them into soylent green, that is. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
1070
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Posted - 2014.04.19 09:55:00 -
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With sensible and competent people on the CSM (which we've had), and CCP using that resource correctly, the CSM is a valuable asset to CCP, helping them bring us a better game.
Vote for Fuzzy Steve! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4236322
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
1070
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Posted - 2014.04.19 10:07:00 -
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There's only one true CSM Logo, but CCP will never accept it ;) http://crossingzebras.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/CSM_LOGO.png
Vote for Fuzzy Steve! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4236322
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2707
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Posted - 2014.04.20 07:42:00 -
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Querns wrote:Quote: If you think the CSM has no value except as a free ride to Iceland, you are wrong. If you think the CSM are only pushing changes in favor of null-security cartels, voice your opinion and vote for someone you feel represents you to your best interest.
Is Dinsdale writing devblogs for CCP now?
Preface: In before an ISD, usually Ezwal (no coincidence that when said aloud phonetically, it says "Easy Wall", as easy to wall off comments that don't match the narrative), censors a comment by an actual CCP employee. Oh goons, do you have some kind of hierarchy of posting laws, something along the lines of Asimov's Laws of Robotics?
Saw this post before I left for the pub, but thought I would ruminate with a few beers before commenting.
So a few things, before the censors are notified and sweep in, not that anyone is reading this thread but the cartel propagandists tasked to keep the message on point.
1. This dev blog, typically considered an important document, comes out, what, on the Easter long weekend, about 36 hours ago? So far, 24 posts, the vast majority by CSM, CCP dev's, or null sec cartel shills. How long has the CSM elections been open? And just now, just a few scant days before the election , we have a post, on the long weekend, of a dev proposing all vote. BTW, just logged in. Is there some ind of link on the log on screen directing players to ANY CSM related link? Of course not.
When you have dev's implying "if you don't vote high sec, it your own fault that we cater exclusively to the, and I quote, "null security cartels", yet ZERO encouragement by CCP, until this extremely well-read blog ( I wonder if the Vogon's are your model when it comes to disseminating information?), anyone with half a brain sees what CCP is actually encouraging in the way of voting and the jusification of handing the game to the failed lawyer et all (BTW , ISD, when you come to censor that part, read his own LinkedIn biography first).
2. Gotta love the arrogance, which comes with the knowledge of total impunity, to insult a dev. (It is an insult, when a goon equates a dev to me. From a goon's perspective, that is a huge slur.)
3. Looking forward to the next dev blogs, where we see how much more of high sec is chipped away. The cartels handed themselves about a 20% advantage in refining efficiency over high sec a few weeks ago. I expect the same 20%, maybe 30%, in manufacturing efficiency, when all the the dev blogs are released and assimilated over the coming weeks.
4. goons and their lackeys are smug as hell right now over these attacks on high sec and the casual player. I am sure they were all high-fiving each other at Iceland and over Skype.
Hey, laugh it up. Enjoy what you have sown. Because the subscription rate lags the game changes by at least 6 months, since most of the new players pay by credit card. We already see the PCU getting slammed. But I am sure that is because of the spring weather and ESO release, and nothing to do with how the cartels have completely stagnated null. Plus, the ripple effects are their base and utterly rich and bored, are now griefing everywhere out of boredom.
So 6 months from now, or 12 months from now, when the sub base is down even more, this hammering of high sec will be forgotten, and high sec will somehow be blamed for the drop in subs. But that's fine. Someday, when CCP is being sold, people line me will say, "Yes, we told you so". We of course will be muted and drowned out.
But hey CCP, good luck with the CSM. I am positive that you will get precisely the CSM that you are looking for. And god help the enti Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2014.04.20 08:34:00 -
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Kusum Fawn wrote:The fact that you (CCP DEVS) feel the need to write a blog about how they (CSM) are not useless as they (CSM) seem says volumes about their lack of impact in the official forums I like how whenever the CSM is mentioned in a devblog, it basically comes down to, "We gave the CSM an arbitrary task to keep them occupied. It really made no difference to our decisions." Oh god. |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
147
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Posted - 2014.04.20 10:01:00 -
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It's interesting that I think only CCP Ytterbium mentioned the 'null-centric' bias of the CSM.
I have placed my two votes for corebloodbrothers of Volition Cult as even though he is nullsec based he makes the point that there should be more democracy within CSM decision making.
I did consider voting for DNSBlack as he is good bloke but I do not agree with their current actions in DUST 514 so I didn't.
Thought for the day:
" Just because it is possible to do something doesn't mean you should necessarily do it. " |
Katrinna Voight-Kampf
University of Caille Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2014.04.20 11:08:00 -
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The Impact of the Council of Stellar Management? A member of the CSM can start a witch-hunt and get a player banned. That's the impact they have in game. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
1130
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Posted - 2014.04.20 12:35:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:So 6 months from now, or 12 months from now, when the sub base is down even more,
Implies the sub base is down in the first place. My understanding is that Eve has experienced yearly growth - do you have figures to the contrary?
Also, your post was weapons grade tinfoil. Post before alcohol next time. :) No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7022
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Posted - 2014.04.20 13:48:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: 1. This dev blog, typically considered an important document, comes out, what, on the Easter long weekend, about 36 hours ago? So far, 24 posts, the vast majority by CSM, CCP dev's, or null sec cartel shills. How long has the CSM elections been open? And just now, just a few scant days before the election , we have a post, on the long weekend, of a dev proposing all vote. BTW, just logged in. Is there some ind of link on the log on screen directing players to ANY CSM related link? Of course not.
there has been a link on the bottom left of the launcher since actually before the CSM elections opened: "REPRESENT YOUR PLAYSTYLE: VOTE NOW - CSM 9"
it is the first of three 'ads' that play in that spot (click the leftmost circle to bring it back up)
so uh i guess we can add this to the "dinsdale accuses ccp employee of having insider information memorial list" of dinsdale's greatest hits Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division. |
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