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Korvus
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Posted - 2006.05.16 16:08:00 -
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All things must evolve, adapt and change over time, and it was inevitable that EVE would do so as well.
With the success of the product evident in increased subscription rates, it is only logical that E3 become a marketing venue for exclusive interviews and announcements to the gaming press.
But at what cost? One item that powered EVE to its current success is the unique and open relationship between those crazy devs and the wacky users.
The current blackout on new information being shared directly by CCP to the player base in the usual fashion of dev-blogs and such clearly signals a change from the open relationship of the past. As CCP continue to try to elevate the product, more compromises between what the company was and what it is becoming will also follow.
We are already seeing some of these;
Per the MMORPG.COM interview Kali is being delayed by the China server. Something we were told by CCP would not happen (china server was a separate team and therefor no impact to TQ)
Per the same interview a for fee service of ingame voice chat is being implemented (and may I add it was a heretofore unmentioned and apparently little requested/anticipated service at that, given the freeware available, so the apparent motive is revenue?)
EVE will continue to change. It has to. It is inevitable. Just what will it become?
A group of tight well connected devs/players who delight in the product or a top tier money maker with little interaction between the two?
There is an old saying that nothing kills quicker than success. Certainly this is a cliche that is often not true, but it is certainly a good cautionary tale to head. Make sure the pursuit of further success does not result in changes to the underlying fundamentals of what makes EVE successful in the firstplace
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.05.16 16:11:00 -
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no
join soar angelic! or at least bump it |
Ediz Daxx
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Posted - 2006.05.16 16:18:00 -
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Im shocked!
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PROTOCOL
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Posted - 2006.05.16 16:38:00 -
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So those crazy guys @ CCP are treating it like a business and prioritizing and implementing items that will produce additional revenue, shame on them. CCP is no longer a startup, they are established and need to find additional revenue streams.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2006.05.16 16:41:00 -
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Im shocked! I want CCP to forever be a small company and to never expand! Ohh the inhumanity of it all! ................. |
Swethren
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Posted - 2006.05.16 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz Im shocked! I want CCP to forever be a small company and to never expand! Ohh the inhumanity of it all!
I don't quite think thats what he's getting at.
What the OP is saying is, now that EVE is big and CCP are making money, they have forgotten about the little voice of thier players and have started to ignore us.
I personally don't think this is true, well, completely true, they might just be listening to the China voice a little bit more atm. They will be back, I have faith.
Swethren
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Teles666
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Posted - 2006.05.16 16:49:00 -
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I have read these forums lots.
I just think they're sick of listening to us whine
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.16 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/05/2006 16:51:39
Originally by: Teles666 I have read these forums lots.
I just think they're sick of listening to us whine
Well, whining is natural when ignored. Babies do it, why cant we?
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Karazaan
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Posted - 2006.05.16 16:55:00 -
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Or, they are almost ready to deploy all the new ships models and textures, they finished next gen research and contract, and even did something we really could'nt dream of and which was'nt disclosed publicly.
For one time, they manage to keep the content of the new big patch under wrap.
That would prevent a thread each hour asking why this or that feature is'nt there, why this or that was done or changed.
And my personnal favorite, you had NO RIGHT thread, I'm a paying customer bla bla bla...
In one angle, it help forum moderators.
Letting the world know at the last minute has an advantage you cannot dismiss. Mostly before a killing strike...
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.16 16:55:00 -
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Auritt
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Posted - 2006.05.16 17:00:00 -
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Eve is Change.
We started with: Second Genesis Castor Exodus Cold War Red Moon Rising Soon we will have Kali. If you can say anything about Eve it is that Eve is always changing.
Auritt
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Kahor
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Posted - 2006.05.16 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/05/2006 16:51:39
Originally by: Teles666 I have read these forums lots.
I just think they're sick of listening to us whine
Well, whining is natural when ignored. Babies do it, why cant we?
Because babies can't do hack about it, and you can :) An eye for an eye make a whole world blind. [/center] |
Hermia
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Posted - 2006.05.16 17:24:00 -
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Korvus,
CCP must treat this as a business, dont really think this needs explaining.
I see posts all the time that say more players from other communities arnt used to player driven environments; there inclusion to our demise. Some people say that a collective carebear attitude will sway development and castrate the lawless part of 0.0 space in some represive control regime.
All scare mongering crap, CCP wont detract from their key gameplay aspects. After all, most of them are griefing pvpers themselves
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.16 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hermia
All scare mongering crap, CCP wont detract from their key gameplay aspects. After all, most of them are griefing pvpers themselves
Beats mining. --- The Eve Wiki Project |
Naleb Cilani
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Posted - 2006.05.16 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Hermia Korvus, All scare mongering crap, CCP wont detract from their key gameplay aspects. After all, most of them are griefing pvpers themselves
All the old UO pvpers later became e-baying, rare item farmers.
Quote: if the repeatedly stated (not by players mind you) rules of the game don't agree with your "vision" of what this game ought to be... get lost.
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2006.05.16 17:34:00 -
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Personally I think that it's much more likely that CCP's success will spawn a bunch of games similiar to EVE in concept. That would probably have a worse impact then what the OP is worried about.
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Kronarty
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Posted - 2006.05.16 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Kronarty on 16/05/2006 17:42:28
Originally by: Karazaan they finished next gen research and contract
Did they? Care to post how that works?
For an EVE player you have a lot of insider info, you must work for some magazine or mmorpg.com
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.05.16 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Teles666 I have read these forums lots.
I just think they're sick of listening to us whine
They'd be more sick if no-one was here to whine tbh.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2006.05.16 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Karazaan And my personnal favorite, you had NO RIGHT thread, I'm a paying customer bla bla bla...
True, the funniest one of that sort was something like: 'I pay for the 0.0 systems too, so I deserve easy access.' ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.' |
Korvus
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Posted - 2006.05.16 18:02:00 -
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@ hermia, protocol and cruz
yep it is a business, and I want them to succeed. A product like this must progress or else decay, it can not remain static. And progress requires subscription and revenue growth. Both are good things. But like an expanding universe once you start down that path you are either committed to perpetual growth or eventual collapse.
So if EVE is to stick arround it must grow and change.
But it doesnt have to become a product like other MMORPGs. It can maintain good open dev blogs, and keep conent free.
What scares me is growth without long term viability. Look at the lag and the servers even after these recent upgrades. Performance is better than it was at inception, and better than 6 months ago, but it is imho worse than when I joined a year ago.
How the heck is this game going to sustain a potential doubling of subscribers, or any increase for that matter?
There are still lots of little things left to fix, and I dont mean code. The desriptions on POS, a text change, are stll wrong.
You must pursue growth, but balance it with maintenance of installed asset base (us current subscribers) too. That is why the lack of dev blogs scare me. They are a potential indicator of a change in focus from balanced current players/new players to skewed toward new players.
@telles666
You are right, most players dont even read the forums, and of the minority that do even fewer post. And of those few the vast majority are polarized fanbois or whiners. And most of them focus on 'nerf this' or 'give me this' or 'balance that' or 'it is balanced'. My concern is not their decisions, but something more pervasive. The CCP organizational culture.
@ karrazan
I dont think this is just a case of CCP being ready but keeping it quiet. By their own interviews the Kali release is now 3 releases with no definitive content or timelines
@ bentguru
Actually, competition is precisely what I want. Competition drives innovation. It also helps suck off excess demand that eve might create and take the load off of the servers ( I know i will get flamed for this). Any business realizes that they want to get every customer they can. At some point the cost of serving all customers exceeds the profit point and that is where competitors come in. Its healthy.
Puts on tinfoil hat for that one.
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Khatred
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Posted - 2006.05.16 18:02:00 -
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I wouldn't complain if Devs talk less to the players and focus more on increasing revenue. If the game is still good, I'll still play it. Plain and simple. I mean, would you play a crap game just cause the devs chit chat with you all day long? I certainly not, I have plenty of persons to chat with and a dev is nothing special. _______________________________________________
Every time you whine a little HAC is destroyed. Please think of the little HACs |
Hermia
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Posted - 2006.05.16 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Korvus But it doesnt have to become a product like other MMORPGs. It can maintain good open dev blogs, and keep conent free.
What scares me is growth without long term viability. Look at the lag and the servers even after these recent upgrades. Performance is better than it was at inception, and better than 6 months ago, but it is imho worse than when I joined a year ago.
How the heck is this game going to sustain a potential doubling of subscribers, or any increase for that matter?
There are still lots of little things left to fix, and I dont mean code. The desriptions on POS, a text change, are stll wrong.
You must pursue growth, but balance it with maintenance of installed asset base (us current subscribers) too. That is why the lack of dev blogs scare me. They are a potential indicator of a change in focus from balanced current players/new players to skewed toward new players.
i think the devs will always make an effort to keep open channels with us, when viewing the last few years atleast.
I share your worries that an increasing community could overtake hardware/support, although at the Same time, i sorta prefer that to the inverse.
Im one of thoughs optimistic types in general, lets hope for the best mate.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.16 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hermia i think the devs will always make an effort to keep open channels with us, when viewing the last few years atleast.
actually, it's coming up to almost a year where outward communication plumetted
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wystler
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:18:00 -
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CCP have announced no charge for content.
They have announced one premium, optional feature.
I'm sure we'll have a flood of devblogs before too long, don't forget both Kieron and Oveur haven't been very well lately and this has hampered their ability to give us lots of info
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: wystler CCP have announced no charge for content.
They have announced one premium, optional feature.
I'm sure we'll have a flood of devblogs before too long, don't forget both Kieron and Oveur haven't been very well lately and this has hampered their ability to give us lots of info
They have managed to post in other threads and being experts at selective reading though. And where have you been wystler? Almost missed you abit. --- The Eve Wiki Project |
Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: wystler CCP have announced no charge for content.
They have announced one premium, optional feature.
I'm sure we'll have a flood of devblogs before too long, don't forget both Kieron and Oveur haven't been very well lately and this has hampered their ability to give us lots of info
They have managed to post in other threads and being experts at selective reading though. And where have you been wystler? Almost missed you abit.
yes, the wizz acts like an idiot and gets 2 replies from keiron and I ask some serious questions about the future of the game and get nothing :/
ah well, I'm used to it tbh
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Hermia
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Hermia on 16/05/2006 19:24:56 Saumual
Well yah, no one can say that its a regular 5 blogs a month for example,
Their contact is obvioiusly not a linear straight line spanning three years, its patchy, but what i was talking about was CCP slowing the stream of information enough so to be almost cut off.
I really cant see this happening, not the same devs anyway.
----------------------------------------------- please dont mail me ingame, returning to eve in June |
Talori'i
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: wystler CCP have announced no charge for content.
They have announced one premium, optional feature.
I'm sure we'll have a flood of devblogs before too long, don't forget both Kieron and Oveur haven't been very well lately and this has hampered their ability to give us lots of info
I heard there is tale about Hammerhead too...
But yeah, people are salivating though for info, I hope it comes at least this week though.
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Harlequinn
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Posted - 2006.05.16 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Korvus Edited by: Korvus on 16/05/2006 16:26:06 .(and may I add it was a heretofore unmentioned and apparently little requested/anticipated service at that, given the freeware available, so the apparent motive is revenue?)
Imagine that: a company trying to make money.
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Korvus
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Posted - 2006.05.16 20:26:00 -
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Oh my god, ISD hijacked my thread into a whine about free content and poor dev responses.
I appreciate the attention but I think the thread was more productive before the post.
In fact I explicitly stated such in my second post/1st response.
I personally dont care about the content or the responses.
I care about what the success of eve will cost eve as it is forced to change and evolve for the better. I hope it will manage the change process without too much loss of what makes it unique.
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