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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2257
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:51:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mellisa Jade wrote:Scince the CSM was re-established back in 2008* (ish?) the game has taken a decided turn for the worse.
Besides forcing CCP to quit development of a part of the game many of us were looking forward to (WiS) and guiding development away from the natural innovation of its creators. The CSM appears to continually propel the development of the game onwards towards the whim of a bunch of people who have nothing but the destruction of the game in mind (Goonswarm +co). All we really see now is continual reitteration of parts of the game that few feel to be *broken*. The last real development of the game was the introduction of wormholes over half a decade ago!
When will we see this horrible group of people dispanded and have the power of development returned to the people who know best how to develop a computer game (the devs)?
Translation: It's the CSMs fault that walking around on legs in a space ship game isn't popular and didn't go anywhere. Also Grr Goons. The CSM isn't pulling any strings, they are representing the players wishes to CCP. It is the players who asked for CCP to focus on spaceships. It is the players who asked CCP to fix the game rather than introduce more half baked Jesus features. It is the players who ask for the actual player driven part of the game (the part you call 'destruction') to be the focus of the game instead of thempark style 'content'. What you don't like is the EVE Online community as a whole, not the CSM. Therefore, Disband the community.
It hurts me to give Jenn a 'like' but he speaks the truth.
I would willingly forgo a couple of expansions to give CCP time to fix what we already have before adding more shiny stuff to the game.
I think we would all benefit from a well thought out and well tested expansion every nine months or so, as I think the present six monthly cycle is not really sustainable if, as we do, want quality expansions to the game. This is not a signature. |
Kristalll
Valkyrie Professional Resources R.E.S.P.A.W.N.
200
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:52:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Do you get what I mean? It is one thing to stand up for what you believe in, it is quite another to dishonestly attack or discredit that of another CSM, or another section of the community. Salvos I never thought I'd see the day you'd agree that Ripard's attack on E1 and scamming in general was way out of line. Good to see. False. Ripard, as an independant person, brought attention to Erotica1's transgressions. The community, the CSM and CCP responded. Erotica1's activities where not good for the game. The CSM agreed. The Community agreed. CCP agreed. If you disagree with that, go ahead. That is your prerogative. There will always be a minority of deviants in every society. Doesnt mean anyone gives a **** what you think.
Lol so you would classify Ripard behavior as completely honest and concerned? Because MANY MANY MANY (including CSM past,present, and future) would say it was dishonestly attacking or discrediting that of another section of the community.
GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |
Salvos Rhoska
1124
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:53:00 -
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Mag's wrote:People keep saying he was banned, but I have so far seen no evidence of this.
http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/03/dont-cry-for-e-highsec.html ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3558
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:54:00 -
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Kristalll wrote: Lol so you would classify Ripard behavior as completely honest and concerned? Because MANY MANY MANY (including CSM past,present, and future) would say it was dishonestly attacking or discrediting that of another section of the community.
Ah! Another member of the "deviant minority"
Dost ye saavy Polarii? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
1124
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:54:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Lol so you would classify Ripard behavior as completely honest and concerned?
Yes, I would and do.
And the CSM, the Community and CCP agree, obviously.
Does that make you mad? ------------ |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
17111
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:55:00 -
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Cool, thanks.
Edit: Still unsure after reading that popup. It states 'Banned pending investigation' and gives no other reason. As they normally do this to accounts when investigating, I still find it unclear.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3559
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:55:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: You lost. Community, CSM and CCP all together ruled against you. Deal with it.
Against me? Why, what did I do? And what was their ruling, they appear to have forgotten to tell me
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Opinion, citation needed. CSM+Community+CCP opinion agrees on Erotica1's expulsion. Citation? She got banned. Nuff said. If you don't like it, run for CSM while I laugh.
Im not Erotica, if thats what you are getting at *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3559
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:57:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
And the CSM, the Community and CCP agree, obviously.
Nope *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Gwen Waokno
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
7
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:58:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:Mellisa Jade wrote:dispand Stopped reading there.
Yeah, doesn't the OP know it can be really cold in Iceland? |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3256
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:59:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Opinion, citation needed. CSM+Community+CCP opinion agrees on Erotica1's expulsion. Citation? She got banned. Nuff said. If you don't like it, run for CSM while I laugh. That's not what you said, neither is there any evidence that the CSM or the community (beyond a vocal minority) even agree, even CCP you have to take with a pinch of salt, since of course they will say what they think will be looked at better rather than what they truly believe.
Now you stated:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Erotica1's activities where not good for the game. So prove it. Prove that Erotica 1 scamming and the bonus room (both of which still exist as activities by the way) are bad for the game. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3256
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:01:00 -
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Mag's wrote:People keep saying he was banned, but I have so far seen no evidence of this. I've had it confirmed he was, though he's not received any communication from CCP as to how long or why, so it might be he suddenly reappears at some point down the line. Either way, it's trivial to start up again and a guy as resourceful as that could be plexing from Month 1, so if he wanted to play, a ban wouldn't stop that. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Salvos Rhoska
1124
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:02:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Prove that Erotica 1 scamming and the bonus room (both of which still exist as activities by the way) are bad for the game.
Oh man, you make this so easy I feel almost bad.
Did you miss the part where she got banned for it? ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3559
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:04:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Did you miss the part where she got banned for it?
Citation needed
Theres nothing in the Minerbumping Post where CCP supplies a reason.
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Ryunosuke Kusanagi
67
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:06:00 -
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whether or not you like the CSM's are up to you, they are in essence politicians. However, the work that they HAVE done cannot be disputed, the development cycles of EVE, in my opinion, has NOT taken a turn for the worse. Judging by your employment history, you was not around when the CSM was instituted, However this could be an alt posting, which itself makes this entire discussion invalid. The CSM lets the developers know what the players (at large) want and need to be done to fix the game, bug fixes, new ships/modules/deploy-able equipments, etc.
You mentioned Incarna, and while I would like to see it finished as well, there has been more... pressing concerns with EVE than that, namely faction warfare, 0.0 sov stuffs, etc. I also find it amusing since the whole Incarna debacle was an instance where the CSM really shined above the rest of the mundane stuff they do. I could go into detail but you can read it Here,Here, and Here.
There are people, myself included, that would LOVE to see Incarna finished, and hopefully with the dissolution of WoD, that that team that presumably has experience working with human models in an MMO environment, along side the fact that CCP has multiple games working in the same world, makes Incarna more of a reality (at least in theory) than what had been previously possible.
Lastly, if you do not like the way CSM has worked in your eyes, while I have not been nor will ever have the desire to be a CSM, you could always run yourself.
Lastly, If you think CCP's apparent disregard for neutrality towards/against goons (regardless of what I think of them) is bad now, let me school you in the T20 incident (google it). |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
17111
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:06:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Mag's wrote:People keep saying he was banned, but I have so far seen no evidence of this. I've had it confirmed he was, though he's not received any communication from CCP as to how long or why, so it might be he suddenly reappears at some point down the line. Either way, it's trivial to start up again and a guy as resourceful as that could be plexing from Month 1, so if he wanted to play, a ban wouldn't stop that. Well yes I know of that, but as I said in that other posts edit, they lock accounts under investigation. So I do not find that extraordinary. What I do find odd, is the lack of any formal notice. Which leaves me to question if he is truly banned and not simply under investigation.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3259
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:07:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Prove that Erotica 1 scamming and the bonus room (both of which still exist as activities by the way) are bad for the game. Oh man, you make this so easy I feel almost bad. Did you miss the part where she got banned for it? lol, so that is proof is it? That's proof that scamming and bonus rooms is "bad for the game"? Seriously, have you taken an extra few whacks from the stupid stick today? All that shows is that a CSM member publicly attacking someone can get them banned.
For Erotica 1's activity to be "bad for the game" you would have to conclusively show me how the game was negatively impacted, and why it's not negatively impacted now, even though the actual activities that he was banned for still happen. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3259
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:09:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Mag's wrote:People keep saying he was banned, but I have so far seen no evidence of this. I've had it confirmed he was, though he's not received any communication from CCP as to how long or why, so it might be he suddenly reappears at some point down the line. Either way, it's trivial to start up again and a guy as resourceful as that could be plexing from Month 1, so if he wanted to play, a ban wouldn't stop that. Well yes I know of that, but as I said in that other posts edit, they lock accounts under investigation. So I do not find that extraordinary. What I do find odd, is the lack of any formal notice. Which leaves me to question if he is truly banned and not simply under investigation. Indeed, that he doesn't even know himself and if CCP aren't even telling him, it's unlikely they'll tell anyone else. It's implied from the responses CCP have made though that if he isn't banned for it already, he will be. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2257
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:10:00 -
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Jeez folks, do we have to run the whole Ero saga yet again?
If he got a perma ban he will not be back, if he got a temporary ban, he probably will come back.
Either way, time will tell.
Move along there, pretty please. This is not a signature. |
Salvos Rhoska
1124
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:11:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Citation needed
Theres nothing in the Minerbumping Post where CCP supplies a reason.
Ask CCP. Not my problemz. ------------ |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
17111
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:13:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Citation needed
Theres nothing in the Minerbumping Post where CCP supplies a reason.
Ask CCP. Not my problemz. Well it kinda is, if you are using it as a fact to back up your claims.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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Salvos Rhoska
1124
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:13:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Seriously, have you taken an extra few whacks from the stupid stick today?
Thanks for your insults. Keep em coming to hasten your ban. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3560
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:19:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Prove that Erotica 1 scamming and the bonus room (both of which still exist as activities by the way) are bad for the game. Oh man, you make this so easy I feel almost bad. Did you miss the part where she got banned for it?
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Citation needed
Theres nothing in the Minerbumping Post where CCP supplies a reason.
Ask CCP. Not my problemz.
So.... thats not you in the first quote then? Making a false assertion?
Cool story, bro *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
3092
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:21:00 -
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Dispand 'em and depants 'em! "Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006) |
Stalker ofeveryone
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:23:00 -
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We don't want to destroy THE game, we want to destroy YOUR game. There is a difference. |
Salvos Rhoska
1124
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:24:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:----
Are you trying to claim you believe CCP had no reason for banning Erotica1?
Guess what. Thats not my problem. Take it up with them. Have fun! ------------ |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
609
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:25:00 -
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You realize that the CSM is merely an advisory organ, right? They don't get to make any decisions, they can merely advice CCP in what would be the best course of action to take.
CCP has a vision for a certain change and within that vision the CSM then advises on specifics and possible improvements. If anything the CSM improves ideas by CCP that would otherwise be poorly implemented because CCP seems to sometimes lack an understanding as to how their game is played (outside of areas where they themselves play).
So GTFO. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
17120
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:28:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:---- Are you trying to claim you believe CCP had no reason for banning Erotica1? Guess what. Thats not my problem. Take it up with them. Have fun! No I think Ramona is thinking along the lines that I am. At this point we do not know if he was banned for it. Only that his account is under investigation, as the popup says. This is normal and when they decide, they tell you formally.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3261
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:29:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:The FACT is she got banned. I don't need to explain that. I'm not CCP. And CCP doesn't need to explain it either, their TOS clearly states they dont discuss particulars. However CSM have stated they are satisfied she received due process, the Community is happy except for a few forum trolls and CCP itself issued a Statement reinforcing policy.
Thats how it is. Move on. Yes, you do need to explain that when you are stating that as proof that scammers and bonus rooms are bad for the game, especially when both of those things still exist in EVE.
And the CSM never stated a damn thing. One CSM member stated something, which isn't "The CSM". As for the community, it's only a vocal minority on either side, the bulk of the community don't care either way, so quit acting like the whole of the community is like "Oh yeah, we super support this", it's pathetic. And CCP would state that wouldn't they. That;s what companies do. That doesn't make it truth. 2 days before they sacked a bunch of their staff and cancelled WoD they also stated that WoD wasn't being cancelled. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1312
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:31:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:If you disagree with that, go ahead. That is your prerogative. There will always be a minority of deviants in every society. Doesnt mean anyone gives a **** what you think. I guess our idea of deviants in society is somewhat different.
I personally think people who gain joy from seeing other people kicked in the face is a sign of a deviant.
I didn't think just disagreeing with someone made was a problem, but I'm no expert in these things. . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3566
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:31:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:---- Are you trying to claim you believe CCP had no reason for banning Erotica1? Guess what. Thats not my problem.
Nope
Im successfully claiming that when you say you know why Erotica was banned, you are lying because you CANNOT know.
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
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