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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:38:00 -
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VOIP
The introduction of a VOIP system to EvE by CCP, one which we will have to pay to use, really goes against everything i, and im sure alot of other people, thought CCP stood for.
Having played BF2 for quite some time now i can tell CCP from experiance that introducing a VOIP system will do nothing but cause major problems for them. With the mysterious connection drops to the server aswell as lag-kicks and so on, the VOIP system will not work as intended.
Integrated VOIP systems in games have been known to cause major problems, i rememmber Planetside being down for almost a full week because of their integrated voice system, BF2 has had no end of bugs due to its VOIP system.
CCP, the majority of the posts i have seen on this forum have been against having a VOIP system in eve. I implore you, spend time on things that are more vital to the players and eve as a whole, rather than somthing which we the players really dont need or intend to use.
Please listen to your community.
I leave the floor open to anyone who wishes to comment.
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The CaPoNe
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:41:00 -
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Obmud
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:43:00 -
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Edited by: Obmud on 18/05/2006 08:43:47 Since it's a free will service not signed.
Since I don't vote against anything i do not know or experienced yet not signed. -----------------------
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Kay Han
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: sidthesexist VOIP
The introduction of a VOIP system to EvE by CCP, one which we will have to pay to use, really goes against everything i, and im sure alot of other people, thought CCP stood for.
Having played BF2 for quite some time now i can tell CCP from experiance that introducing a VOIP system will do nothing but cause major problems for them. With the mysterious connection drops to the server aswell as lag-kicks and so on, the VOIP system will not work as intended.
Integrated VOIP systems in games have been known to cause major problems, i rememmber Planetside being down for almost a full week because of their integrated voice system, BF2 has had no end of bugs due to its VOIP system.
CCP, the majority of the posts i have seen on this forum have been against having a VOIP system in eve. I implore you, spend time on things that are more vital to the players and eve as a whole, rather than somthing which we the players really dont need or intend to use.
Please listen to your community.
I leave the floor open to anyone who wishes to comment.
QFT
Ohhh and /signed ___________________________________________ A wise man said once: 'Violence is the escape of the mentaly poor guys.'
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duffmantt
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:44:00 -
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signed.
but seriously, even if they bring it in...why btoher paying for it? just keep on using vent/ts as usual.
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: sidthesexist on 18/05/2006 08:44:29
Originally by: Obmud Since it's a free service not signed.
Since I don't vote against anything i do not know or experienced yet not signed.
No the service is not free. You will have to pay extra per month to use it. ________ Euphoria Released
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: duffmantt signed.
but seriously, even if they bring it in...why btoher paying for it? just keep on using vent/ts as usual.
My post is not to stop people paying for it. Its to put an end to the waste of time trying to impliment it, causing more downtimes and problems for eve as a whole when no one will use it. ________ Euphoria Released
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Obmud
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: sidthesexist Edited by: sidthesexist on 18/05/2006 08:44:29
Originally by: Obmud Since it's a free service not signed.
Since I don't vote against anything i do not know or experienced yet not signed.
No the service is not free. You will have to pay extra per month to use it.
no you don't get it. It's up to you wether you want to use it. And youre false information that its integrated is not true either. -----------------------
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liquidism
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:45:00 -
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hmm teamspeak and ventrilo are developed for a much longer time.. and if we have to pay extra for it who'll use it anyways? vent and ts are free
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Obmud
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: sidthesexist
Originally by: duffmantt signed.
but seriously, even if they bring it in...why btoher paying for it? just keep on using vent/ts as usual.
My post is not to stop people paying for it. Its to put an end to the waste of time trying to impliment it, causing more downtimes and problems for eve as a whole when no one will use it.
holy lord, you're jesus. You save us from something we do not know yet. Thank you so much. -----------------------
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:47:00 -
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Think they are going to stop development of it because we have a vote? They didnt ask if we wanted it before they started with it, and they wont care if we say we dont want it now either.
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Obmud
Originally by: sidthesexist
Originally by: duffmantt signed.
but seriously, even if they bring it in...why btoher paying for it? just keep on using vent/ts as usual.
My post is not to stop people paying for it. Its to put an end to the waste of time trying to impliment it, causing more downtimes and problems for eve as a whole when no one will use it.
holy lord, you're jesus. You save us from something we do not know yet. Thank you so much.
Far from jesus. I respectfully ask you stop flaming the thread. ________ Euphoria Released
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Obmud
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Think they are going to stop development of it because we have a vote? They didnt ask if we wanted it before they started with it, and they wont care if we say we dont want it now either.
qft. The thread opener is not really familiar with business investments. "i'm sorry we're going to cancel this contract because they petitioned it. :(" yeah. sure. -----------------------
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:53:00 -
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This thread is completely and totally useless, and you have no idea on how they plan to use the VOIP. From the interview at E3 it plans to do far more then TS ever could.
So wait and see. And useless votes by 10 people on the forums and their alts is gonna do squad all. And rightly so. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Sinistria
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:55:00 -
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I am definitely not against such a feature. But I agree that there are many other things within Eve that should have higher priority.
Apart from many bugs that stray around Eve, stuff like collision detection or usability problems come to my mind.
The ingame browser is rotten, the petition system is not fully integrated into Eve (that would be much more useful than a VOIP system... because that's a reason not to run Eve fullscreen )
And BTW: I want to make use of that "Starbase Tactical Officer" skill...
Gimme a target control window at our POSs ...
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Feyd Darkholme
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:55:00 -
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My kneejerk reaction to this whole thing is that it's a terrible idea that's bound to fail. One because of the inherant problems that such a system might bring, and two because I seriously doubt anyones going to opt to pay to use it if they can use a proven third party app for free. In that case, if noones going to use it it feeels like a waste of time and resources, esdpecially if it causes problems that similar systems have caused in other MMOGs. However I am willing to hold final judgement for now... ---------------
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Fillmeup
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:00:00 -
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As I said in the other threads, this one is provided by a third party. Third party servers, third party costs, no additional 'eve-lag'.
Unless your machine is ridiculously crap (ie can it currently handle Teamspeak?), it shouldn't make any difference to the playability of the client. Shouldn't increase lag beyond the standard stuff right now.
I'd like CCP to pay the VOIP provider directly, but tbh the features it comes with sound pretty awsome. If it ties into the game as well as they are predicting, it'd be a damm good system that BF2 and others won't even be comparable to. And yes, I experienced the fatally flawed implimentation of voice comms in BF2 - it sucked the big one. Perhaps CCP are trying to overcome this by outsourcing it to a third party server farm and thusly removing those issues, albeit at a cost.
I agree, a fairly vocal minority of Eve players that actually post on these forums seem to hate the user pays system. I also agree that I would rather it was free. But it if it a kick-a$$ implimentation as it is described, I'd be happy to pay for it to be implimented. I hate using TS because it is seperate to the game, and TS overlay doesn't offer all the functionality I need to adequately use the features of TS.
The only real issue I have with the user pays system as a premium service is that it segments the community. I know I will get flamed for saying this, but I'd rather everyone just paid an extra 50cents more per month and it was available to everyone, although it's not really fair to force everyone to use a tool that perhaps only 30% of Eve-players would actively use.
It's a tough one. I'd like a non-forums based poll on it - perhaps an in-game poll that ran over a two week period and restricted you to one vote per account as you logged in. It's the only way CCP would get an honest indication of what the entire user base actually feel about this topic, as the forums unfortunately are never a true indication.
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Reacz
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:02:00 -
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Bit late now anyway, the VOIP system is due to be released with the first Kali patch, so theres a 75% chance its already been put in (or nearly has been).
Plus chances are that CCP is already locked into a contract with them, so gl with that. :)
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Callistus
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:05:00 -
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I'm all for integrated VOIP, it could do a lot for gang command and corp communications if its done properly and I won't vote against something we know little about.
Except to say that it should not be a premium service! Either it should be free and everyone uses it or not at all. --------------
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Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys This thread is completely and totally useless, and you have no idea on how they plan to use the VOIP. From the interview at E3 it plans to do far more then TS ever could.
So wait and see. And useless votes by 10 people on the forums and their alts is gonna do squad all. And rightly so.
I see that interview. But what was described there can be useful only if everybody use it! If you have to play extra for it , a lot of ppl will NOT use it, including me (the features areameazing, I realy liked them, butcome one, I have problems paying my 2 account already, if I will have to pay extra, it just wont work for me, and for a lot of other ppes) If it will be free, the cool. Nice feature.. - POST WITH YOUR MAIN!
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:06:00 -
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According to stratics, it will be free. But who knows...
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Miko Lee
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:06:00 -
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NOT signed
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Darineah Charach
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:07:00 -
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signed
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Padaxes
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:08:00 -
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Cant help thinking theres about a million other things that I would rather see in eve than inbuilt Voice Comms :/
Where does it say we will have to pay for it as well ?! Can someone post a link please ? If we have to pay extra its complete Bull, working on a stupid cash cow feature at the expense of other more pressing problems would be truly cynical....
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Meme One
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:19:00 -
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Quote: CCP, the majority of the posts i have seen on this forum have been against having a VOIP system in eve.
The most vocal is not the majority or even right most of the time.
CCP has listened to their players iro VOIP. Do yourself a favour and go look at the Features and ideas section and count the amount of ppl that have asked for a voip solution ingame.
You shout that TS/vent is better suited. I disagree.
By introducing a voip in game there is a great chance to alleviate a huge number of headaches cause by normal operations. Imagine your FC sitting in a chat with his squad leaders. whilst all of them are still in gang. The FC can relay his orders to the SL's easily and they in turn can communicate their orders to their members easily.
You shout that TS or vent should be the preferred method but have you rly thought about communicating just outside your corp/alliance? Are you going to allow random ppl to join ure server and chat there? I wouldn't allow any non corp/alliance members onto my server just cause it's just too much of a sec risk.
I'm quite lucky that i have a multi monitor setup that I use to see quickly who is saying what on ts but how many players have that extra piece of hardware to enable them to do that?
By asking ccp to stop the introduction of this system your effectively saying "STOP.....eve should stay as is no more new content" and that is a road that leads only to eve become second rate and failing in the end.
There are programmers involved in getting this integrated into the current servers but they would most likely be dedicated to just the voip integration of eve and when their done Yipeee new programmers to help with normal coding.
Last point. If you dont like it.....then simply dont subscribe to the new service. simple as that.
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nico wurz250
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: nico wurz250 on 18/05/2006 09:23:34 VoIP lol for what reason? I have TS and i can do VoIP trough multiple services in internet.
/signed
@Meme One i think you have a TS RTFM problem. .
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:24:00 -
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IF its free/no additional charge, I can see it being used.
~Eximius Josari, Hegemon of the E.A.R.T.H. Federation |
Seleene
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:29:00 -
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I have five accounts. I think I'm paying enough TBH.
While I think it's a feature no one asked for, I'll wait until I see some details before I give it a thumbs up or down.
But I'm not paying for it. -
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:31:00 -
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If it's free I'll use it, if not I dwont, I have teamspeak.
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CB Cyrix
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:34:00 -
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providing we can CHOOSE to not use it and therefore not pay for it, im all good.
i aint paying for something that teamspeak can do for free.
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