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Decaneos
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.25 12:56:00 -
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Now that the supreme court in the US has decided that internet providers can now charge to give company's greater bandwidth or indeed slow a site down considerably if they don't pay up, how will this effect gamers in the US and eve-online specifically?
http://articles.latimes.com/2014/jan/14/business/la-fi-fcc-net-neutrality-20140115
this ones a political site so you have been warned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YRI5qk6KZY |
Gemma Wildfire
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.25 12:57:00 -
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Mid nineties and AOL spring to mind. |
Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
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Posted - 2014.04.25 12:58:00 -
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Source? ~ ~~ Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox. ~~ ~ |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9439
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:02:00 -
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Hahahaha, net neutrality. It's cute that people thought that ever existed when in most places you have pretty much only one or two options for broadband internet.
ISPs (particularly Comcast) are monopolistic and it's getting to be absolutely ******* ridiculous and I'm going to end this post before I get too angry. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
11785
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:03:00 -
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EVE doesn't require more bw than an old 14.4k modem so don't worry (except on patch days).
/c
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Malcolm from Marketing
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:07:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Hahahaha, net neutrality. It's cute that people thought that ever existed when in most places you have pretty much only one or two options for broadband internet.
ISPs (particularly Comcast) are monopolistic and it's getting to be absolutely ******* ridiculous and I'm going to end this post before I get too angry.
What with the internet monopolies and messed up health care system, you American folks really do have my sympathies, sometimes it's like you live in a 3rd world country.
Here in the UK, we have bodies set up specifically to stop all this crap happening with monopolies, and to make sure an open and competitive market will always exist in all areas not just for internet, but utilities too.
Monopolies are bad Mkay America. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9441
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:08:00 -
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Malcolm from Marketing wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Hahahaha, net neutrality. It's cute that people thought that ever existed when in most places you have pretty much only one or two options for broadband internet.
ISPs (particularly Comcast) are monopolistic and it's getting to be absolutely ******* ridiculous and I'm going to end this post before I get too angry. What with the internet monopolies and messed up health care system, you American folks really do have my sympathies, sometimes it's like you live in a 3rd world country. Here in the UK, we have bodies set up specifically to stop all this crap happening with monopolies, and to make sure an open and competitive market will always exist in all areas not just internet. We do too, they're just not doing their job in this case. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Malcolm from Marketing
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:09:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Malcolm from Marketing wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Hahahaha, net neutrality. It's cute that people thought that ever existed when in most places you have pretty much only one or two options for broadband internet.
ISPs (particularly Comcast) are monopolistic and it's getting to be absolutely ******* ridiculous and I'm going to end this post before I get too angry. What with the internet monopolies and messed up health care system, you American folks really do have my sympathies, sometimes it's like you live in a 3rd world country. Here in the UK, we have bodies set up specifically to stop all this crap happening with monopolies, and to make sure an open and competitive market will always exist in all areas not just internet. We do too, they're just not doing their job in this case.
But isnt the guy in charge some former cable exec or something? I recall reading something about him being the WORST possible person to put in charge considering his past business practices. |
Victor Andall
Heleneto Holdings
394
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:10:00 -
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I've slowed my net speed down to a crawl once (2Mb/s instead of the usual 45) while playing around with my router settings. Aside from a decrease in responsiveness from the market window, my EVE client still ran like a charm. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
332
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:13:00 -
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Yes, this seems like a crap deal.
I doubt EvE pulls enough bandwith accross the US to actually have a providor throttle it down. Companies like You Tube, NetFlix, Amazon, etc. that pull huge quantities of bandwith. I doubt EvE will be affected (at least in the near term). |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18122
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:14:00 -
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Malcolm from Marketing wrote: What with the internet monopolies and messed up health care system, you American folks really do have my sympathies, sometimes it's like you live in a 3rd world country.
Here in the UK, we have bodies set up specifically to stop all this crap happening with monopolies, and to make sure an open and competitive market will always exist in all areas not just for internet, but utilities too.
Monopolies are bad Mkay America.
The bodies in the UK are just as terrible as the ones in the US at doing their job, the supposedly open and competitive market in the UK is a myth.
Never go full Ripard |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9441
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:15:00 -
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Noxisia Arkana wrote:I doubt EvE pulls enough bandwith accross the US to actually have a providor throttle it down. EVE pulls a tremendous amount of bandwidth on patch days, I'm sure. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:17:00 -
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Victor Andall wrote:I've slowed my net speed down to a crawl once (2Mb/s instead of the usual 45) while playing around with my router settings. Aside from a decrease in responsiveness from the market window, my EVE client still ran like a charm.
You will note other issues like having an empty overview and a new ship, then suddenly being an egg.
Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur.-á |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
807
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:18:00 -
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Politics.
*sips yoghurt drink* https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! And how do I put text as links into signatures?? |
Doireen Kaundur
814
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:27:00 -
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Capitalism sound like a good idea but its evolutionary outcome is always the same...monopolies and greed. Unless a govt is willing to keep it in check, it favors no one but the wealthy thus producing plutocratic govts. A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110850
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:29:00 -
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They won't even give us Kill Switches on our phones for when they are stolen.
Lawmakers reject bill requiring cell phone kill switch
Greed, greed, greed. That's all it's about.
Keep turning the citizens on their heads and shake out what little change is left in their pockets. What happens when the pockets are finally emptied ?? "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Dave Stark
5062
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:38:00 -
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not living in america, i'm laughing. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10525
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:38:00 -
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Malcolm from Marketing wrote:What with the internet monopolies and messed up health care system, you American folks really do have my sympathies, sometimes it's like you live in a 3rd world country.
Here in the UK, we have bodies set up specifically to stop all this crap happening with monopolies, and to make sure an open and competitive market will always exist in all areas not just for internet, but utilities too.
Monopolies are bad Mkay America.
And the fiber that is used by Comcast/AT&T was effectively paid for by the US taxpayer because they got tax subsidies. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Decaneos
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:56:00 -
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My issue with this is, if the internet providers in the US charge more for allowing eve on there lines, then will ccp bump the price for everyone or just those in the US
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stoicfaux
4594
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:58:00 -
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Noxisia Arkana wrote:Yes, this seems like a crap deal.
I doubt EvE pulls enough bandwith accross the US to actually have a providor throttle it down. Companies like You Tube, NetFlix, Amazon, etc. that pull huge quantities of bandwith. I doubt EvE will be affected (at least in the near term). The problem isn't managing bandwidth. The problem is charging for quality of service. Car Analogy:
There's a road (owned by Comcast) from your house that leads to a Target and a Wal-Mart. Right now you can drive at up to 50 MPH to go to either store. Without net neutrality, the road owner (Comcast) can make the following rules: a) if you drive to Target, you can travel at 100 MPH, b) if you drive to Wal-Mart, you can only travel at 5 MPH. Same road, but the legal speed limit is based on your destination and not on the traffic or road bandwidth.
Meaning, they can arbitrarily limit the speeds at which a store's customers are allowed to visit the store's website. So if a store doesn't pay the special quality of service fee, then they risk losing customers because your website is so slow.
Plus, a lot of the major ISPs are also in the content business, and thus can use their control over the roads/pipes to limit or control access to competitor's content, and to push their own content.
tl;dr - We're back to the era of the Robber Barons where the trains were controlled by regional monopolies.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110852
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Posted - 2014.04.25 14:02:00 -
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Decaneos wrote:My issue with this is, if the internet providers in the US charge more for allowing eve on there lines, then will ccp bump the price for everyone or just those in the US
It's really going to affect things like Netflix rather than EVE. They will charge Netflix more for the faster streaming...then it's up to Netflix to decide what to do about it with their customers. Gee, I could never guess what they would do .
Netflix has already upped their rates for new customers while grandfathering the rate for current users "for a while longer". And it has nothing to do with this other scheme at all. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.04.25 14:03:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Noxisia Arkana wrote:I doubt EvE pulls enough bandwith accross the US to actually have a providor throttle it down. EVE pulls a tremendous amount of bandwidth on patch days, I'm sure.
Drop in a bucket really, if 500k users downloaded 1 gig inside an hour, that'd result in roughly 1.1 Tbps. USA alone has an internal average speed of 16,646 Tbps, which by following trends of network usage usually peaks around 40,000 Tbps. |
Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
355
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Posted - 2014.04.25 14:10:00 -
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Malcolm from Marketing wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Hahahaha, net neutrality. It's cute that people thought that ever existed when in most places you have pretty much only one or two options for broadband internet.
ISPs (particularly Comcast) are monopolistic and it's getting to be absolutely ******* ridiculous and I'm going to end this post before I get too angry. What with the internet monopolies and messed up health care system, you American folks really do have my sympathies, sometimes it's like you live in a 3rd world country. Here in the UK, we have bodies set up specifically to stop all this crap happening with monopolies, and to make sure an open and competitive market will always exist in all areas not just for internet, but utilities too. Monopolies are bad Mkay America.
Monopolies happen b/c of the gov't in America. So more gov't is certainly not the answer.
In Boston, FiOS (a fiber-optic service provide by Verizon) was not allowed to be installed b/c the former Mayor Mumbles (Menino) decreed that Verizon would have to install the lines in the poorest neighborhoods FIRST (citing "equality") when, in reality, he's good friends with the people over at Comcast, the monopoly in the area. This is pretty much the case across the entire country. Sugar Kyle for CSM. |
Decaneos
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2014.04.25 14:16:00 -
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People say on eve is a drop in the ocean, but do you really think that will matter if they can squeeze even a little more money out of a company? ofc not, they will do it, the question is how much will it cost CCP and will they bow to international internet terroism!
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110852
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Posted - 2014.04.25 14:25:00 -
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Burseg Sardaukar wrote: Monopolies happen b/c of the gov't in America. So more gov't is certainly not the answer.
Monopolies happen because the ridiculously rich have funded and elected most of the House of Representatives. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10527
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Posted - 2014.04.25 14:58:00 -
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Burseg Sardaukar wrote:Monopolies happen b/c of the gov't in America. So more gov't is certainly not the answer.
In Boston, FiOS (a fiber-optic service provide by Verizon) was not allowed to be installed b/c the former Mayor Mumbles (Menino) decreed that Verizon would have to install the lines in the poorest neighborhoods FIRST (citing "equality") when, in reality, he's good friends with the people over at Comcast, the monopoly in the area. This is pretty much the case across the entire country.
The problem with "less government" being the answer is a practical one. If a local government does not have the ability to grant a private utility the right of way to install infrastructure, who will? A single private landowner would be able to completely impede a private utility by demanding an exorbitant amount of money for burying in their land or outright refusing to allow it. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
1470
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Posted - 2014.04.25 15:04:00 -
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Few things, first it was the chair of the FCC, not the Supreme Court.
Second, the cable companies are only responding this way because we didn't set up the system correctly in he first place. We treated the internet like a service instead of a utility. The UK did it right. The reason you have only one or two providers at your house is because they need to run their own lines to your house instead of using shared lines. You pay for access and service whereas with say a telephone, you can pick from several services on the same line. At my house I have two lines from the pole for Comcast and verizon. If I went to dish I'd have to get more equipment.
This will affect companies like eve because now it adds an extra cost to operate that can vary based on use. Now CCP may have to consider bandwidth with game innovation. Hats just bad all around.
We need to treat internet providers like a utility as in the UK and elsewhere. To do that though we less money in government piling the strings so we can have proper regulation to ensure the democratic principles that apply here.
GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2214
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Posted - 2014.04.25 15:08:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Burseg Sardaukar wrote: Monopolies happen b/c of the gov't in America. So more gov't is certainly not the answer.
Monopolies happen because the ridiculously rich have funded and elected most of the House of Representatives Koch.
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Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
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Posted - 2014.04.25 15:21:00 -
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Yup this is pretty much Obama screwing us over while he still has a chance. Handing over control to the idiots at the UN with one hand, giving hand-jobs to his tech corporate donors with the other.
Weak abroad, tyrannical at home.
Whats funny is you thought it was the Republicans that were after your internets.....
Obama: The brown stain on America's undershorts. |
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
253
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Posted - 2014.04.25 15:23:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Burseg Sardaukar wrote: Monopolies happen b/c of the gov't in America. So more gov't is certainly not the answer.
Monopolies happen because the ridiculously rich have funded and elected most of the House of Representatives Koch. Fixed.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
He blames the Koch Bros. Not only are you a good little bee towing the goonie line, but a good little sheeple IRL touting the talking points of the far left.
Here ya go kid.....Get yourself an education before this thread gets locked.
http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topcontribs.php
Pro tip: Koch is 46th. Mine smart. Mine safe. Purchase your mining permit today...... www.minerbumping.com |
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