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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:22:00 -
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Since we all know that domi is really overpowered and it is using too much ecm, I suggest this:
1. To comfort all missile users, since we all know that guns > missiles, i suggest domi has gun hardpoints removed and replaced with missile hardpoints. 1a. since domi is unable to fit guns, i suggest dmg bonus to hybrid turrets is changed into cruise/siege rof.(as we all know that rof < dmg bonus due to the cap/ammo use) 2. since ecm /drone combo is too powerful, i further suggest drone damage bonus is replaced with 7.5% shield boost bonus(or possibly 5% resistance/lvl). It would force people to shield tank dominix (which is exactly what TomB had in mind when he didn't boost domi's pg when they introduced armor tanking). This would solve two problems immediately. 2a. since drone damage is reduced, i'd sugges slightly improved shield capacity and maybe a little more cpu, however drone bay should be reduced to something similar to typhoon or possibly even armageddon/megathron.
Further concerns: 1.I wonder who will flame this post more, caldari or gallente or possibly minmatar 2. I also wonder why people never fit large guns on rattlesnake/raven, as missiles are so useless. 3. I'd also like to see viable shield tanked domi without cpu and with t2 guns...
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:24:00 -
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omfg /signed
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:24:00 -
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I know who'll flame first anyway ;)
"lets give the domi an uber tank and even more weapons that don't miss"
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul I know who'll flame first anyway ;)
"lets give the domi an uber tank and even more weapons that don't miss"
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
What weapons don't miss? Did you forgot that missiles are completely useless weapon for pvp as they flight time is whole 10s too long which is only 5% of drone flight time. Also i've heard it is impossible to pvp with shield tank.
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Meiron
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:28:00 -
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Hmmm, might be too subtle for some, but I think it's funny anyway :)
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Meiron Hmmm, might be too subtle for some, but I think it's funny anyway :)
I'm ill, tired and cranky
/emote feels stupid for taking the bait
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:30:00 -
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Why does my sarcasm-o-meter get spasms from this thred? New sig coming soonÖ Drone musing (MC-boards) |
Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC Since we all know that domi is really overpowered and it is using too much ecm, I suggest this:
1. To comfort all missile users, since we all know that guns > missiles, i suggest domi has gun hardpoints removed and replaced with missile hardpoints. 1a. since domi is unable to fit guns, i suggest dmg bonus to hybrid turrets is changed into cruise/siege rof.(as we all know that rof < dmg bonus due to the cap/ammo use) 2. since ecm /drone combo is too powerful, i further suggest drone damage bonus is replaced with 7.5% shield boost bonus(or possibly 5% resistance/lvl). It would force people to shield tank dominix (which is exactly what TomB had in mind when he didn't boost domi's pg when they introduced armor tanking). This would solve two problems immediately. 2a. since drone damage is reduced, i'd sugges slightly improved shield capacity and maybe a little more cpu, however drone bay should be reduced to something similar to typhoon or possibly even armageddon/megathron.
Further concerns: 1.I wonder who will flame this post more, caldari or gallente or possibly minmatar 2. I also wonder why people never fit large guns on rattlesnake/raven, as missiles are so useless. 3. I'd also like to see viable shield tanked domi without cpu and with t2 guns...
now, back to reality, let's chit chat tally wack about real issues here, ie, NOS and ECM
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin Why does my sarcasm-o-meter get spasms from this thred?
there is SOME sarcasm there....but I sense a little more seriousness than usual. hehe, I really don't think lobotomizing drones for gallente would hurt the OP's feeling at all!
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Asif BADKARMA
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:32:00 -
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Now hold on just a second.
I just get into a frickin domi and ppl want to nerf it
Leave my dominix alone man, Just stay out of nos range and fit a backup array and your fine.
serioulsy, or im coming for ya
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:38:00 -
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yes it would
i'd kick his ass to the other side of BoB space for it
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine yes it would
i'd kick his ass to the other side of BoB space for it
hey man, me too. /me looks at domi pilot currently training like 6 days for level 4 of minnie drone spec.
I put a lot of time into these drone skills on that guy.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Cummilla
Originally by: Ithildin Why does my sarcasm-o-meter get spasms from this thred?
there is SOME sarcasm there....but I sense a little more seriousness than usual. hehe, I really don't think lobotomizing drones for gallente would hurt the OP's feeling at all!
But... they are already lobotomized! New sig coming soonÖ Drone musing (MC-boards) |
Aakron
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:45:00 -
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You are a genius why didnt I think of this? Please turn the drone bay into more cargo hold so I can hold missiles! Why dont you nerf the speed of the bathtub more so its more like the raven too. I think the dominix would be great like this...screw 5M in drones :)
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:48:00 -
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lol drone whiners... i have 2 gallente chars with like 4.5mil in drones(each!)
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Raptornas
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Raptornas on 19/05/2006 19:48:06 Domi is balanced, it looks like a giant **** therefor it should pwn everything that looks mildly good.
Now the typhoon theres a ship that needs some love'in. __
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Raptornas Edited by: Raptornas on 19/05/2006 19:48:06 Domi is balanced, it looks like a giant **** therefor it should pwn everything that looks mildly good.
Now the typhoon theres a ship that needs some love'in.
7 missile points, bonuses changed to 10% velocity and 5% explosive missile damage/level, and crap loads more cpu and grid given :)
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Raptornas Edited by: Raptornas on 19/05/2006 19:48:06 Domi is balanced, it looks like a giant **** therefor it should pwn everything that looks mildly good.
Now the typhoon theres a ship that needs some love'in.
7 missile points, bonuses changed to 10% velocity and 5% explosive missile damage/level, and crap loads more cpu and grid given :)
Then rename it Caldari Navy Issue Domini....er, wait.....It's gheylentee? Weird form of sarcasm but #1 in OP is basically about that. You know, the idea that just for the "i wanna i-winna ship" short bus riding types, why not take all the pwn from each pwn mobile ship type in the game and lump it into one ship! Yeah, BOOM HEADSHOT!
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Glarion Garnier
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:05:00 -
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heh Lukec Is quite the comedian.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:11:00 -
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I thought I'd pick some of my favourite moments out of the original post that particularly made it stand out.
First, we have the lies:
Originally by: LUKEC we all know that guns > missiles
Originally by: LUKEC since domi is unable to fit guns
Originally by: LUKEC since ecm /drone combo is too powerful
Originally by: LUKEC since drone damage is reduced
Guns and Missiles are fairly well balanced and the major point of contention these days seems to be balance in the ships that mix them such as minmatar ships. The missiles themselves are in fact quite powerful, which is why the Raven is still a very popular PvP machine.
The Domi is absolutely able to fit guns, it just can't fit a full rack of decent Tech 2 large blasters, nor should it be able to with the amount of damage it's getting out of heavy drones. You can fit medium guns, a few large blasters, nos or drone link augmentors in those high slots and be quite effective, there's no need to have a full rack of T2 Ion blaster cannons on the Dominix and it isn't disadvantaged by not being able to fit them.
ECM + Drones is no more powerful than any well designed combo, excepting the fact the ECM is perhaps a little unbalanced right now, something that will be addressed soon. A while ago, the shout was all about Nos + Drones, now it's ECM. It's a nice combination but it's hardly unstoppable. Drones will continue to attack as long as they get the initial attack command and the owner has an initial target to give it with. Sensor boosters + drones would be equally useful to get the target first and get the drones attacking. So would Drone tracking mods or nav computers. There are plenty of things you can use those mids for. ECM itself is being looked at because it is unbalanced in itself. Specifically, ECCM needs a little bit of a boost or rethink and ECM on non-ECCM-specialised ships.
My drone damage now is more than it was Pre RMR. I have always had max or almost max drone skills. So that bit's wrong, drones now deal more damage than before if you have the right skills.
Following that, these are my favourite silly statements:
Originally by: LUKEC It would force people to shield tank dominix (which is exactly what TomB had in mind when he didn't boost domi's pg when they introduced armor tanking).
Originally by: LUKEC drone bay should be reduced to something similar to typhoon or possibly even armageddon/megathron.
While I can't speak for TomB's intent, the Domi is a formidable armour tanker and not really much of a shield tanker. It can tank perfectly well and field the same damage while doing so of pretty much any BS, given the appropriate skills are trained well and the setup is optimal.
And no... the drone bay on a drone-specialised ship.. should be big.
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General Hansen
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:15:00 -
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To balance the dominix it needs 400tf cpu and 10k pw added, so I could fit full rack of neutrons.
It would be nice innit >_>
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 19/05/2006 20:30:59
Originally by: Nyphur
First, we have the lies:
Originally by: LUKEC since domi is unable to fit guns
The Domi is absolutely able to fit guns, it just can't fit a full rack of decent Tech 2 large blasters, nor should it be able to with the amount of damage it's getting out of heavy drones. You can fit medium guns, a few large blasters, nos or drone link augmentors in those high slots and be quite effective, there's no need to have a full rack of T2 Ion blaster cannons on the Dominix and it isn't disadvantaged by not being able to fit them.
So ... maybe typhoon should be able to fit heavy launchers and we say it it is perfectly able to fit launchers(sorry minmatar, but i needed a ship with bonus that won't be used alot).
Also i suggest you to go on sisi play with electrons & d250mm guns. In the end i think you will realize that those guns that would hypothetically fit, don't work. Especially d250guns are joke of the year. Hitting cruisers with that requires 3x tracking comps. And don't tell me about long range domi, because it is even more worthless than moa.
And massive damage from drones that you are talking about... it is like 150dps for ogresII. For instance, typhoon with 4x heavy nosfs+ 4x heavy neutrons II outdamages domi with no guns for like 50dps.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
So ... maybe typhoon should be able to fit heavy launchers and we say it it is perfectly able to fit launchers(sorry minmatar, but i needed a ship with bonus that won't be used alot).
The Typhoon doesn't get a free 50% drone damage and hitpoint increase or a drone bay capable of fielding three complete waves of heavies or two and a wave of lights and mediums.
You of all people have to know how much Max skilled T2 Ogres will deal with BS 5. And with that many highs, meds and lows on the Domi, it's so much more able to take advantage of ways to win a fight OTHER than pure damage. It can deal extra drone damage without using cap and without using slots, all at the range of drones. That's why it makes such good use of alternative combat mechanisms like heavy use of nos or ECM, because normal ships need their slots to get their damage across while the domi doesn't specifically need to.
Other ships need to use their high slots for pure damage. They need to use their their low slots for damage mods, while the Domi makes less use of them, making the tank more viable than damage mods. They need to use their med slots slots for everything from getting into weapons range with an MWD to running tracking computers and webs so that they will even hit their target. Drones, simply put, do not have those neccecities or disfunctions.
They are a weapon that is effective without using lots of slots or any cap. Being able to deal a good portion of damage that way means alternative avenues of fighting are a lot better on it. I personally adore the Domi for that.
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Laboratus
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:20:00 -
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At the moment the Domi is fine. Just fine. Yes, if you have max drone skills, it does a lot of damage. Yes, if you come within 20km of it, without ECMing it properly, you can expect a very short life expectancy. As far as the hard points are considered, changing them to 4 turret 4 launcher, to get variation in setups used, would bring changes to the used setups in domis. At this time, there simply is no reason to fit hybrids on a domi. Putting missile hardpoints on it and changing the hybrid bonus to cruise/siege bonus would definatly remove NOS domis from use. They would be missile DOMIs. As missiles are balanced and fine, there should be no objections to this. Because these missile launchers would eat up the Domis CPU and it wouldn't be able to fit both ECM and launchers. Why not. Torp domis 4tw , if it stops this "nerf gallantean weapons and ships" whine.
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Miss Renyn
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Posted - 2006.05.19 22:05:00 -
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Why not take 2 of the high slots and put it into the meds, transform the rest into utility slots and replace the hybride bonus with a sensor damper bonus?
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2006.05.19 22:09:00 -
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Oh yay, another typhoon.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.05.19 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000 Oh yay, another typhoon.
No... the proposed ship would outperform the Raven in some situations. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
inSpirAcy
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Posted - 2006.05.19 22:21:00 -
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And here we have today's selection of people who take the game so seriously, that they couldn't spot a joke post if it smacked them in the face.
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Aziza
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Posted - 2006.05.19 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC Since we all know that domi is really overpowered and it is using too much ecm, I suggest this:
1. To comfort all missile users, since we all know that guns > missiles, i suggest domi has gun hardpoints removed and replaced with missile hardpoints.
LOL.OMFG! I love it. I want Domi with 6 missile hardpoints. It will be like... NPC KING! -------------------------
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.05.19 22:43:00 -
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"No... the proposed ship would outperform the Raven in some situations. "
Pretty much ^^
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