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Tarn Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:08:00 -
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Grow up We know this is what you wanted and CCP is making the right decision, but there are a lot of people who invested a lot of time and money into Dust. If the next update for EVE required you to start over at 0 SP on your main how would you feel? Cheated? Scammed? I look forward to Legion, it's the game we've been waiting for, but CCP said the dream would be on PS3 only, and a lot of people stuck around just because of the promise of "10 years of support" Be happy, a New Eden fps is coming, but please stop mocking others disappointment.
I'm still wondering what's going to happen to Tallen Ellecon..... -áSoonGäó514 |
Raylan Scott
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
9
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:34:00 -
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I've personally spent over $1000 based upon CCP's history as a company. The way they misled Dust players to come to Fan Fest to hear that their game is dead is something I can't support.
I'm done with CCP. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
24966
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:46:00 -
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Oh come on, give us a break... some of us "EVE only" players have suffered time and time again over the years because CCP screwed up in one way or the other. That's the kind company they are, and everybody still here regardless, should be able to take a little mockery... "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
186
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:47:00 -
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Oh but I just refilled my tearbuckets holy crap batman the tears from dust bunnies will keep my ships fueld for the next year easily. Excuse me while i go bath in my pool of bunny tears. Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |
Gerald Sphinx
The Irukandji Ineluctable.
60
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:18:00 -
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Honestly I'm just putting my Dust account into cold storage until CCP figures out how to port the character stats into the PC version or the PS4 version (if there ever is a PS4 version). I'll just continue playing Eve Online since at least here everything is set development wise. |
Gerald Sphinx
The Irukandji Ineluctable.
60
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:31:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Oh but I just refilled my tearbuckets holy crap batman the tears from dust bunnies will keep my ships fueld for the next year easily. Excuse me while i go bath in my pool of bunny tears.
Actually, don't drink those tears. Not this time at least.
Those players have a legitimate reason this time to be absolutely angry and I will tell you why.
1. Absolutely nothing was mentioned about Dust on the PS3 during the initial Dust Keynote other than a montage from CEO Pyrex's YouTube videos. 2. CCP doesn't know yet how to transfer character stats from the PS3 to the PC and there is no mention of the PS4 version. They say they want players to transfer their stats but I'm still having doubts. 3. This... omg
Especially when CCP made a lot of promises that encouraged a lot of players to invest a lot of time and money into this game. Unfortunately those players feel betrayed and they have every right to rage at CCP just like how you and I raged at CCP back in 2011 during the Jita Riots when the whole "Greed Is Good" letter leaked and CCP didn't deliver on the promises set for Incarna.
I understand that it's fun to see CCP troll their own player base, but the trolling they did back then was fun trolling. What we saw today is NOT fun trolling. This is the bad kind of trolling. |
Silence Iganku
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:42:00 -
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I played a lot of games from alpha to release and all of those that are now free to play are full of cheater, the only thing that don't allow in dust to cheat is that is for a console. a lot of people start to cry about that, they ask it ... ccp now do it ... good luck to fail as all other fps for pc free to play that are out there. How you could make a fps all server side ? you think that a simple signature check of the files will protect from aimbotter, people that will teleport with infinite ammo and kill you with one shoot ?
free to play = free to cheat = nothing to lose = ban, open another account = i will not pay a $ where a person with a cheat do the ssame stuff and better.
Good luck ccp and happy fail, all the cheater now is happy yeeeeaaaaa finally dust cheatable !!! |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
24988
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:44:00 -
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Gerald Sphinx wrote:I understand that it's fun to see CCP troll their own player base, but the trolling they did back then was fun trolling. What we saw today is NOT fun trolling. This is the bad kind of trolling. ...which they have been doing for their EVE players for years, time and time again. I'm not looking for apologies here, in the contrary, but one thing should be abundantly clear to any CCP customer by now: They are not a good games company: They made many major mistakes over the years, they over estimated them selves and even, sometimes, blatantly lied to their playerbase. Yet still, they are here... "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |
Silence Iganku
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:50:00 -
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Gerald Sphinx wrote:Honestly I'm just putting my Dust account into cold storage until CCP figures out how to port the character stats into the PC version or the PS4 version (if there ever is a PS4 version). I'll just continue playing Eve Online since at least here everything is set development wise.
all the change that they will make on summer that will nerf all except industrial people is wise ?
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
24989
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:54:00 -
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Silence Iganku wrote:all the change that they will make on summer that will nerf all except industrial people is wise ?
You are not an indy guy, I take it... industry is one of the aspects of the game that was in need of a major overhaul for... well, basically since the release of the game. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |
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mkint
1170
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Posted - 2014.05.02 19:14:00 -
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Except dust never mattered. And it was always in beta the whole time. And at least from everything that I saw streamed, plus the dustdevblog, nobody at CCP said you're losing all your stuff. So many dust bunnies who've never seen a fanfest before. CCP announces stuff so early that they themselves have no idea what the hell is going on. All they have is some vague ideas, and some vague promises. Which I guess sums up dust itself. The dust devs know the dust bunnies are freaking out, and they've been trying to be reassuring on the stream.
In the dust keynote, they started by thanking Sony, which my initial reaction was "dang, CCP's never gonna ditch those douchenozzles." And then they announced that, yes, CCP is ditching those douchenozzles at Sony a few moments later. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Dominus Tempus
Forced Euthanasia
2
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Posted - 2014.05.02 23:20:00 -
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HTFU |
Zuzmaw
Universalis Imperium Li3 Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.05.03 02:10:00 -
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Raylan Scott wrote:I've personally spent over $1000 based upon CCP's history as a company. The way they misled Dust players to come to Fan Fest to hear that their game is dead is something I can't support.
I'm done with CCP.
Do I dare to ask the question, to which has always been the reply to 'I'm done with x!' or 'This sucks! I'm leaving!'
Do I dare?
If you would be true to your word, my contract tab will be flashing up with 'stuff' from your asset list. Yes?
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Gerald Sphinx
The Irukandji Ineluctable.
63
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Posted - 2014.05.03 03:53:00 -
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Dominus Tempus wrote:HTFU
I wish I could take that as a joke. Normally I would especially if it's someone who lost a purple Raven to a gank. But not in this case.
Overall, as an player who also plays Eve Online, I wouldn't care about my Dust account so long as CCP can somehow find a way to transfer my stats from the PS3 to the PC such as the skill points I accumulated and the BPOs I have bought (I don't care about the ISK and the rest of my assets). If not, I'll just move on as this is not something I would jump off a bridge over.
But that's just me.
Others, especially those who don't have a PC capable of handling a game like Legion or Eve Online, are the ones my heart really bleed for. Even if CCP manages to somehow port their character data over to the PC, these players are still not going to be able to use it as they won't be able to afford a gaming rig which is why a lot of console-only players stick to consoles due to affordability.
I'm hoping that this is maybe just one big misunderstanding on our part and hopefully CCP actually shows the real work done on Dust for PS3, but my doubts are growing right now. |
Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
1741
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Posted - 2014.05.03 04:49:00 -
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After today's watershed of Bunny tears, I not only filled my jacuzzi but my swimming pool at the cottage, too.
Keep it coming, bunnies, keep it coming.
... hmmmm... perhaps rabbit stew for dinner tonight...
... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
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Droidyk
Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven
56
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Posted - 2014.05.03 06:50:00 -
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Tarn Ellecon wrote:Grow up We know this is what you wanted and CCP is making the right decision, but there are a lot of people who invested a lot of time and money into Dust. If the next update for EVE required you to start over at 0 SP on your main how would you feel? Cheated? Scammed? I look forward to Legion, it's the game we've been waiting for, but CCP said the dream would be on PS3 only, and a lot of people stuck around just because of the promise of "10 years of support" Be happy, a New Eden fps is coming, but please stop mocking others disappointment.
I'm still wondering what's going to happen to Tallen Ellecon.....
Noone ever took away the money they invested, it helped to shape the dust as a whole and will help to make it what it should be from the start, it would never be accomplished on a console, always too many limitations no freedom. The EVE Universe delicate complexity, depth, deep backstory, art, lore and scale. It would never ever become anywhere close on a console, even on PS4 there would come limitations eventually, and would be less freedom anyway. |
Lord Dracarys
Federal Reserve of Amarr
0
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Posted - 2014.05.03 07:18:00 -
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why are you guys complaining? wont dust development continue? you chose to pay money for a game that was exclusive to a LAST GEN CONSOLE...you honestly think an aging console could ever compete with a pc? |
Scifi
Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy
2
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Posted - 2014.05.03 07:28:00 -
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Gerald Sphinx wrote: Others, especially those who don't have a PC capable of handling a game like Legion or Eve Online, are the ones my heart really bleed for. Even if CCP manages to somehow port their character data over to the PC, these players are still not going to be able to use it as they won't be able to afford a gaming rig which is why a lot of console-only players stick to consoles due to affordability.
I'm hoping that this is maybe just one big misunderstanding on our part and hopefully CCP actually shows the real work done on Dust for PS3, but my doubts are growing right now.
Pretty much this, of the 25-ish active Dust players in my corp I counted ONE, ONE single player who would able, let alone willing, to make the transition to a PC based version. Some of them are already considering jumping off what they now perceive as a "dead game". |
Aralieus
The Inf1dels Spaceship Samurai
216
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Posted - 2014.05.03 07:34:00 -
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I dont understand all the rage, seems a little premature imo. Although I do like your alliance name Oderint Dum Metuant |
Lord Dracarys
Federal Reserve of Amarr
0
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Posted - 2014.05.03 07:36:00 -
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Scifi wrote:Gerald Sphinx wrote: Others, especially those who don't have a PC capable of handling a game like Legion or Eve Online, are the ones my heart really bleed for. Even if CCP manages to somehow port their character data over to the PC, these players are still not going to be able to use it as they won't be able to afford a gaming rig which is why a lot of console-only players stick to consoles due to affordability.
I'm hoping that this is maybe just one big misunderstanding on our part and hopefully CCP actually shows the real work done on Dust for PS3, but my doubts are growing right now.
Pretty much this, of the 25-ish active Dust players in my corp I counted ONE, ONE single player who would able, let alone willing, to make the transition to a PC based version. Some of them are already considering jumping off what they now perceive as a "dead game".
the game isn't going anywhere. they didn't announce server shutdowns. you can still play your ps3. you can still pay2win. when(if) legion comes out, there will be more players than dust and it'll be more popular/receive more updates/support. BUT, there will also be lots of hackers/aim botters. so honestly, you should all be happy you're stuck on a console. problem is, once your ps3 dies 5-10 years from now, GL finding another one to play on. you should have seen this comin.... |
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Kuronaga
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
253
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Posted - 2014.05.03 07:44:00 -
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That a joke?
Legion won't have half the players of Dust.
PC gaming is only popular when the game is good. And even then, its console counter-parts pretty much always have a higher population. |
Lord Dracarys
Federal Reserve of Amarr
0
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Posted - 2014.05.03 07:56:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:That a joke?
Legion won't have half the players of Dust.
PC gaming is only popular when the game is good. And even then, its console counter-parts pretty much always have a higher population. im pretty sure more than 20 people will play legion... |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1133
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Posted - 2014.05.03 08:10:00 -
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i have a dust bunny older than this toon (started the day the beta went public), Harden The **** Up. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á sig by Doc Fury -¬ 2014 Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25039
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Posted - 2014.05.03 08:20:00 -
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Lord Dracarys wrote:im pretty sure more than 20 people will play legion... Indeed...
Even the most basic free2play shooter on PC has more then an average of 2500 players, especially if promoted over Steam (and since EVE is, Legion will most likely be too). Face it, DUST was an experiment bound to fail... nothing more, nothing less... "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |
Silence Iganku
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.05.03 08:43:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Silence Iganku wrote:all the change that they will make on summer that will nerf all except industrial people is wise ?
You are not an indy guy, I take it... industry is one of the aspects of the game that was in need of a major overhaul for... well, basically since the release of the game.
so why nerf all other stuff ?
- miner = will be nerfed = same rocks = x2 output = same amount of crystal for production = /2 money earned = noob never see a ship different from venture
- exploration = just ninja nerfed = 1/4 repown than before
- ratting / plexing =will be nerfed
what is the point of that ? what is ????????? too much beer ???
this is not wise at all |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1316
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Posted - 2014.05.03 08:53:00 -
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Cry more console pig. The Tears Must Flow |
Novah Soul
93
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Posted - 2014.05.03 12:17:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Oh come on, give us a break... some of us "EVE only" players have suffered time and time again over the years because CCP screwed up in one way or the other. That's the kind company they are, and everybody still here regardless, should be able to take a little mockery... CCP screwing up on EVE and outright shutting down a game (or all but) after numerous promises to that playerbase are a tad bit different.
They have every right to feel screwed.
Sure Legion should be the better game, but like I mentioned on the official dust forums, if I want an eve based game on the pc, I'll play Eve. I liked dust b/c I can get thrown into the world/lore when I can't get onto my pc for whatever reason. |
Tadhg Huidaneux
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
0
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Posted - 2014.05.03 12:49:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Oh come on, give us a break... some of us "EVE only" players have suffered time and time again over the years because CCP screwed up in one way or the other. Well, let's assume this would have happend (quoting my fellow clan member and translating it into some kind of English):
In the last few month we would have been able to extend our PLEX with a discount of 20%. Or 12 for 10 whatever. CCP would have told us that there are a lot of cool new expansions in the pipeline, maybe even a bit more than usually. OK, there are some islandic holidays, so CCP can't work on those expansions right now, but they will start working on them after those said holidays. They would work hard on delivering an awesome PC game.
Well, then's the fanfest. The EVE-Keynote: See, we've worked hard on that fancy MMO prototype. Yeah, it's not EVE, it's now ADAM Online. You might think it is EVE but ADAM's a lot nicer and has all those features we were not able to include into EVE yet. And hey, we don't think EVE will get those promised features. Aaaand... ADAM's exculsively on PS4.
We don't know if you can transfer your existing EVE chars or skill points. Or anything else. Maybe, you know. But not for sure. It may look the same, but everything is so frigging diffrent, its so awesome. We can't tell you more about EVE, but hey, there will be some Bug fixes. Awesome!
And that's to point where the whole CCP HQ would have burned, not only Jita, right?
So, why don't you act like the grownups you think you are in reallife and show some sympathy. Or at least wait another day or two until you start teasing those human beeings that were na+»ve enough to believe what CCP told them. We're all gamers out there. And it is not OK what CCP did.
It might be good for the New-Eden-FPS. But it's not good what they did to a big part of the DUST community. |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1841
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Posted - 2014.05.03 13:30:00 -
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while this is all good reading... I am almost tempted to head over to dust forums to read all thier tears...
oh and i do have a dust player from beta when i had to pay 20 bucks for the starter set.
I am stoked about legion though even more so if they port my character. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Jaz Antollare
Deadly Loneliness
97
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Posted - 2014.05.03 15:44:00 -
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Make a separate space where all of the New Eden universe characters are stored and transfered cross all the similar projects ^^ Like mercs and capsuleers, and those who will join us, so we all can move forward to EVE 2.0 in the future :D
Btw: I really hope they will make a bridge between the dust514 and the new legion project. |
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1321
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Posted - 2014.05.03 15:53:00 -
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PC gaming master race, punching console peasants in the face! The Tears Must Flow |
Spr09
Gold Trimmed Stars
79
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:06:00 -
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So you're just expecting CCP to give you the finger and be done with it? CCP isn't like that. Yeah, they messed up and now Dust is dead, but they do make things right if you talk to them. If you've spent hundreds of dollars into Dust and it's just sitting in your account, I highly doubt CCP will let that rot. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1156
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Posted - 2014.05.03 18:22:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:while this is all good reading... I am almost tempted to head over to dust forums to read all thier tears...
oh and i do have a dust player from beta when i had to pay 20 bucks for the starter set.
I am stoked about legion though even more so if they port my character. you definitely should Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á sig by Doc Fury -¬ 2014 Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Lord Vyper
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:14:00 -
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Tarn Ellecon wrote:Grow up We know this is what you wanted and CCP is making the right decision, but there are a lot of people who invested a lot of time and money into Dust. If the next update for EVE required you to start over at 0 SP on your main how would you feel? Cheated? Scammed? I look forward to Legion, it's the game we've been waiting for, but CCP said the dream would be on PS3 only, and a lot of people stuck around just because of the promise of "10 years of support" Be happy, a New Eden fps is coming, but please stop mocking others disappointment.
I'm still wondering what's going to happen to Tallen Ellecon.....
So while I completely respect your post. Dust players are not forced to spend money at all. You guys chose to do that. You have access to all the same content but just didnt want to wait for it. I say this as an early Beta Dust player to now. Eve players have been going thru this for a decade so the cries for help tend to fall on tone deaf ears. Any money spent on a free to play game should be considered disposable income. Something you could live without. If you are purchasing with any other frame of mind you are deluding yourself. If EVE 2 ever came out I would fully expect to start with nothing. I would have to decide if it was worth it to me. What new features are coming? Do I own the platform? Is it worth buying it I don't. CCP is a game Developer not your parents. Their business staying afloat is always going to be a priority over gamers feelings. Enjoy Dust for what it is now or don't play it. All of you guys have put time and effort into a game that was a shell of what it was promised to be. Do you consider that wasted? If so why did you continue to play instead of waiting for the game to evolve into what you wanted it to be. The drop in a bucket amount of revenue that players put into Dust is nothing compared to what actual shareholders and investors put into it. CCP will always look out for that group of people first because it allows them to eat and have homes.
Dust is just a game. You had fun playing it. Unless you prepaid for features that were never developed you are just along for the ride like the rest of us in Eve's Universe. The sandbox just got shook. Are you gonna dust yourself off and put on your bigboy pants or pull the plug on your clones and fade into debris? Keep playing Dust and give feedback on shaping the next game or rage about it and quit. Its your time and money use it better than this. |
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
194
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Posted - 2014.05.04 16:04:00 -
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Dust May 2014 Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
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Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
116
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:38:00 -
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It seems you Dust guys got introduced to the CCP' way in a very short time.. I can only speak for me and do not pretend to represent a view beyond my 7 eve charactersand each one of them has a developed a unique personality over time.
Dust has been talked about, it seems, since my oldest character started playing in 2004. I came from an FPS background starting with Rogue Spear, then all the Clancy games and versions, then got on the Battlefield 1942 and later series through to the first try at Bad Company which was ll I could take from EA. Their "sell it, forget it, make a new name and change the terrain" approach was swamping my CD storage limits. My long time gaming friends - most of whom I served with before retiring from the US Army came to Eve for something different. There was no social media to speak of then. We often just sat in a belt in null sec and chatted without anyone ever firing up a miner and just blowing away whatever NPCs dared approach our strength of at a dozen and all the lag that produced. Sometimes we scattered outselves out in different belts and reinforced as necessary .
We often talked about a dirt version of eve, but with eve always having been buggy, we seemed to agree that if we wanted FPS, we wouldn't go with a buggy beginner with a space ship background. With the pace of FPS, buggy is bad..
As the content of Eve expanded, the buggy areas got some attention every now and then. It has always seemed all of the devs and coders have a large section of their inbox with a dusty (no pun intended) section marked, "too hard to do".
The emphasis of the game's direction has always been stated to go where the players take it. My opinion on that has always been that is true, as long as the most influential person in the informal leadership which has passed through wanted it to go that way. It is a sandbox alright, with steep canyons all leading to the support of scammers, gankers, deep space resources needed by all and controlled by a few and the continuous presence of Real Money Transfers. I would venture to say that a good many eve players at fanfest got there by way of RMT. A few years ago, several of the still 70 plus people in our group (all with multiple accounts, all with only toon in our main corp which has no connection with any of the other accounts of that player and the rest of us. That corp is very isolated and insulated.) decided to visit Iceland during FanFest and hang around. We developed some organization to some of the things we wanted to find out and with our appearance of age, dress and demeanor, we didn't look like most FF folks.
I spent a great deal of time talking to drunk players or some who were really hungover and as long as they thought I had nothing to do with CCP or even how to spell it, they were all pretty easily coaxed into speaking about the game from their viewpoints. I came away astonished at the rampant open disussion these several people were willing to engage in when it came to RMT. I found out that many simply sent a denomination of cash to a member of the corp and had PLEX moved into their hangars. The amounts varied, never over a $10 bill, but when a corp membership is counted in four figures, it could add up. I am merely guessing the PLEX was originally funded from ISK developed from resources that corp had near exclusivity to in null space.
I was expecting to hear about trial accounts on an uncle's credit card that picked up an officer module dropped near them and then passed around until it ended up on one of the many sites where things like that are sold for cash.
I know CCP has a team they call "Crime Watch". I keep waiting to see a more active word in the team name like "catch" or "smash". It seems every few years, a big number get banned and in two weeks it is all back to dirty business as usual. It would seem real easy, for instance to have utility to scan local chat logs for repetitive posts at identical intervals by the same character if the use of bots was something of interest. So many ways to catch rule beakers, but so few are caught. Now that is a prime new endeavor of play for bounty hunters, but someone at CCP would have to read the petitions and do something except send the patented response and close the petition.
I've meandered around to say this - It looks like you guys are screwed, I'm sorry it turned out that way. My angst for Dust has never been with the players, but the abandonment of the Space Ship Game by CCP in order to expand out with new games in new venues when not putting in the time to get this one right, but kind of right. For instance, when freighters were first introduced, they would get hung up on the worthless (but loved by somebody in Iceland) billbords placed in the straight path between gates. Frieghters were angling around too close to warp on to the desired gate but to lumber with no agility to get pointed and then to travel at the spead of of a coffin toward the gate. It only took them about three years to get that fixed. Neither you or I have the time or space to list the other 400 plus things on my list of "why was this ever made like this in the first place?"
If it was not for my friends and the small core of nice people in come incursion chats and in the Blink chat - I would have been long gone. And with the availability of PLEX for so little effort, this is a free to play game for anyone who want it to be.
And no,none of us are rule breakers, our careers instilled in us the desire to stay within the rules. We all have grandkids playing and we set examples with our play.
Good luck to you. |
Tarn Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Lord Vyper wrote:Tarn Ellecon wrote:Grow up We know this is what you wanted and CCP is making the right decision, but there are a lot of people who invested a lot of time and money into Dust. If the next update for EVE required you to start over at 0 SP on your main how would you feel? Cheated? Scammed? I look forward to Legion, it's the game we've been waiting for, but CCP said the dream would be on PS3 only, and a lot of people stuck around just because of the promise of "10 years of support" Be happy, a New Eden fps is coming, but please stop mocking others disappointment.
I'm still wondering what's going to happen to Tallen Ellecon..... So while I completely respect your post. Dust players are not forced to spend money at all. You guys chose to do that. You have access to all the same content but just didnt want to wait for it. I say this as an early Beta Dust player to now. Eve players have been going thru this for a decade so the cries for help tend to fall on tone deaf ears. Any money spent on a free to play game should be considered disposable income. Something you could live without. If you are purchasing with any other frame of mind you are deluding yourself. If EVE 2 ever came out I would fully expect to start with nothing. I would have to decide if it was worth it to me. What new features are coming? Do I own the platform? Is it worth buying it I don't. CCP is a game Developer not your parents. Their business staying afloat is always going to be a priority over gamers feelings. Enjoy Dust for what it is now or don't play it. All of you guys have put time and effort into a game that was a shell of what it was promised to be. Do you consider that wasted? If so why did you continue to play instead of waiting for the game to evolve into what you wanted it to be. The drop in a bucket amount of revenue that players put into Dust is nothing compared to what actual shareholders and investors put into it. CCP will always look out for that group of people first because it allows them to eat and have homes. Dust is just a game. You had fun playing it. Unless you prepaid for features that were never developed you are just along for the ride like the rest of us in Eve's Universe. The sandbox just got shook. Are you gonna dust yourself off and put on your bigboy pants or pull the plug on your clones and fade into debris? Keep playing Dust and give feedback on shaping the next game or rage about it and quit. Its your time and money use it better than this.
Many of us spent money because we supported the game and it's development. It had an amazing pay scheme that didn't give players a huge advantage but ease things enough to make it worth it if you had the spare cash. That said if people who could afford to play hadn't it would have died a lot sooner, most of the people I know from open beta had spent $100+ over the past year. We've had lots of fun, and most of us are still playing and have no plans to stop until something better comes up. We didn't mind investing in gear, Aurum sales, BPOs, and everything else because those were a good way to contribute, and gave us ease in game. So the myth that it wasn't making money is BS, per capita it was likely making more than EVE in the first few months.
If they couldn't make a profit with those who were playing then I can understand them moving on, I want solid progress. The game itself was always going to have trouble integrating with the larger New Eden for both technical and balance reason. The problem is that they continuously told us of their devotion to the PS3. Heck, if they had announced Legion for PS4 the backlash would have likely been great praise. People were really looking forward to the Dust keynote, and all they were given was the future of Project Legion, which until then had never been heard of. It was a stab in the back, and most agree it's not what CCP is doing that angers us, it's how they did it. That's why it's compared to the Red Wedding.
Dust was a failure for many reasons, poor planning, outdated platform for ambition, terrible NPE (likely the biggest killer) and a host balancing issues all left in game for over a year. Many of these problems appear to be being addressed for Project Legion and CCP appears to be learning how to make a better FPS. I look forward to Legion, but I have a lot of friend who will never cross over to PC and that's where the heartbreak comes, especially since they have no plans to go to PS4.
Dust did a few unique things right. Proper clan support, vast customization and specialization were highlights. The ability to communicate easily across multiple channels at any time was also a plus. The maps got repetitive for us vets, but there was a vast amount of variety, as the hub system made a multitude of map combination. OB strikes were cool, if someone inconvenient in EVE. There was a vast array of cool sci fi weapons and gear. The problems overshadowed everything though and CCP just couldn't fix them
Blehh..... |
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:59:00 -
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CCP is finally going to flush the turd. Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |
Archibald Liberty Killmore
Toodles McGiggityGoo and Friends
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:06:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:CCP is finally going to flush the turd.
Check the Legion demo! Its the same thing CCP showed in 2009 except this time they have burning trees. ROFL! |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
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Posted - 2014.05.07 14:09:00 -
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Tadhg Huidaneux wrote:So, why don't you act like the grownups you think you are in reallife and show some sympathy. Oh, I do have sympathy, up to the point where disgruntled "fans" start demanding refunds for the money they willingly spent on a free2play game... given, you may have been under the impression your money would support a game you would be playing for the coming years (on a 10 year old console), but all you really did was: You payed to andvance faster in the game, and that you did.
Also: The game will not go anywhere soon... something CCP could have communicated better, sure. The irony is, though, should it get shut down in the coming months, then because p*ssed players are leaving in thropes.
CCP has changed course... they did after Incarna, they did when they shut down WoD, and they will do again in the future... that's the reality. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |
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