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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
1089
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Posted - 2014.05.03 00:49:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Why is Fullerides marked up as a link, but with no actual url? This was a mistake (actually it was a reminder to capitalize this word) which has now been fixed. Mistakes made by devs during fanfest might be accepted, but please don't repeat it when sober.
CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2890
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Posted - 2014.05.03 01:19:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: It is only a matter of time before the cartel leaders start demanding of their serfs minerals, or uncompressed ores, as part of their monthly tribute.
Already do man. Part of our corp's monthly rent is ice and POS fuel.
Not surprised at all. Every day that passes, more confirmation floods in that this game is going to be null sec only soon enough. Maybe wh's will survive as an entity.
But low sec (outside of FW) and high sec will soon (9-12 months) have conditions that make it impossible to eke out a living , let alone prosper. Every high sec L4 mission runner and incursion runner is a pilot not paying a tithe to some cartel lord, and not grinding ISK and rocks to make stargates to the next area the cartels can control. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Flay Nardieu
Forgotten Union of Knackered Tradesfolk Universal Rockstars
30
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Posted - 2014.05.03 01:27:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: It is only a matter of time before the cartel leaders start demanding of their serfs minerals, or uncompressed ores, as part of their monthly tribute.
Already do man. Part of our corp's monthly rent is ice and POS fuel. Not surprised at all. Every day that passes, more confirmation floods in that this game is going to be null sec only soon enough. Maybe wh's will survive as an entity. But low sec (outside of FW) and high sec will soon (9-12 months) have conditions that make it impossible to eke out a living , let alone prosper. Every high sec L4 mission runner and incursion runner is a pilot not paying a tithe to some cartel lord, and not grinding ISK and rocks to make stargates to the next area the cartels can control.
CCP probably thinks independents will band together to overthrow over reaching power blocs. However self interest prevents formation of such bands and the revolutionaries tend to become like the tyrants they displace. So... I am a carebear, Really?-á Ok.... I'll be CRAZY Bear then! |
Equinox Ying
Frontier Rebellion
17
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Posted - 2014.05.03 01:28:00 -
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I think this new ship will give lots of carebears the opportunity to venture (NPI) into low and even null to get diferent types of ores, I can certainly see my corp hosting frigate roams with ninja miners and other frigs just for the fun of it. I think this is a good step forward. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2891
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Posted - 2014.05.03 02:31:00 -
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Equinox Ying wrote:I think this new ship will give lots of carebears the opportunity to venture (NPI) into low and even null to get diferent types of ores, I can certainly see my corp hosting frigate roams with ninja miners and other frigs just for the fun of it. I think this is a good step forward.
Run the math on these ships. Is the ore better, yes.
But run the logistics, and more importantly, time, needed to run an op of any size, and compare that to a high sec mining op.
Either way, you are in for a rude surprise as the months slip away and high sec mineral prices slowly sink, as more and more ore is mined and processed in null, while at the same time high sec demand for minerals drop as more and more industry is done in null. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Callduron
Occupational Hazzard Gentlemen's Agreement
611
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Posted - 2014.05.03 03:54:00 -
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Good job, this looks really fun. , |
Johan March
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2014.05.03 04:13:00 -
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Looks like a fun little ship. I can't wait to do a Prospect blops drop. |
G'host Warrot
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
7
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Posted - 2014.05.03 06:25:00 -
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I love u guys with ur tinfoilheads XD Its always everything for nullsec. Its bs guys. Im living in low sec and its a nice place. No rents, only a few pirates, only the same afk cloakys XD and wannabe pros...but for the last ones we got some nasty ECM. So guys. Its the will to go there not the must or has to cause its flavor of the month to live there. More Ore for me XP
By the way I like the Prospect. But did not know yet, for what I should 4 Lows. 1 Dcu, 1 MLU and now? Good thing I accidently trained Mining Frigate to V a month ago XD
See in Space guys! |
Rena'Thras
Military Gamers The Methodical Alliance
12
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Posted - 2014.05.03 07:51:00 -
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Rovinia wrote:This one doesn't have the "+2 warp core strength" Role bonus the Venture has, is that right? Not that i want to complain about it, the exchange for the Covert Ops Cloaking device is good enough and there has to be a way to gank these little rascals Just not sure if it's a mistake or intended.
True...but it has 3 more low slots. So you could potentially get it to have +4 warp core strength (the Venture would max at +3).
It'll kill your targeting range, of course, so you would need to keep your range above 2km so the asteroids you're mining wouldn't prevent you from cloaking if you had to run and there were FIVE ships trying to scramble you...but if you're concerned about warp core strength AND the Covops cloak isn't good enough protection in your mind, you can load out some/all of those extra low slots.
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Personally, I like this new ship. Between it and the Astero, we're getting a lot of goodies for explorers/industrialists, which are generally overlooked when it comes to ships. Overall, I like the directions that CCP is going - balance the existing PvP ships, add some new ships for explorers/industrialists to round out the holes in the fleet.
I'm kind of wondering if they'd care to do something similar for mining barges, though they already have T2 versions. Mostly because, as cool as this little ship is, it can't mine Ice...
And, obviously, you need ice to be coolest. :) |
Catherine Laartii
Knights of Xibalba
163
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Posted - 2014.05.03 07:51:00 -
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Should have swapped a low for a high. 2nd utility high for a probe launcher to scan those gas sites down would be ideal, although to be fair you CAN use a mobile depot, it IS a bit of a hassle and wastes a bit of time. I guess the idea is just to drop a laser for the launcher, and swap it out when you find one you like? |
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Sgt Ocker
Last Bastion of Freedom
197
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Posted - 2014.05.03 08:04:00 -
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Quote:The same technology that allows the Prospect to use Covert Ops Cloaking Devices also allows it to light Covert Ops Cynosural Fields and jump through covert portals opened by Black Ops Battleships. Sweet.. This should be far cheaper than my current cloaky cyno tengu and I can mine with it while waiting for targets to login. What more could you want |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1480
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Posted - 2014.05.03 09:00:00 -
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wow that ship is pretty underwhelming, i'll have no reason to use this over my venture. Good job Rise/Fozzie... In fact the hole of fanfest has been a let down so far. +1 |
Flay Nardieu
Forgotten Union of Knackered Tradesfolk Universal Rockstars
32
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Posted - 2014.05.03 09:17:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:wow that ship is pretty underwhelming, i'll have no reason to use this over my venture. Good job Rise/Fozzie... In fact the hole of fanfest has been a let down so far.
I would disagree with the ship being underwhelming, but would agree those using Ventures now are not going to switch to it in droves. However its stated purpose (along with some interesting other possibilities) make it a viable addition to the existing ships.
And for the rest of the future plans I think CCP dropped the ball, decided the ball was an egg, then decided to sit on it to see if it hatches. So... I am a carebear, Really?-á Ok.... I'll be CRAZY Bear then! |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
381
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Posted - 2014.05.03 10:02:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Equinox Ying wrote:I think this new ship will give lots of carebears the opportunity to venture (NPI) into low and even null to get diferent types of ores, I can certainly see my corp hosting frigate roams with ninja miners and other frigs just for the fun of it. I think this is a good step forward. Run the math on these ships. Is the ore better, yes. But run the logistics, and more importantly, time, needed to run an op of any size, and compare that to a high sec mining op.
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
178
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Posted - 2014.05.03 10:46:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:wow that ship is pretty underwhelming, i'll have no reason to use this over my venture. Good job Rise/Fozzie... In fact the hole of fanfest has been a let down so far. How so, petulant much? |
Sgt Ocker
Last Bastion of Freedom
198
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Posted - 2014.05.03 11:42:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Rek Seven wrote:wow that ship is pretty underwhelming, i'll have no reason to use this over my venture. Good job Rise/Fozzie... In fact the hole of fanfest has been a let down so far. How so, petulant much? Petulant - A word so rarely used - And not really appropriate in context. Negative or closed minded may have been better choices. One could say you are being overcritical of another - but that isn't fair either.
I agree many of the proposals for summer are somewhat underwhelming - Not being petulant by any means, just stating an opinion.
There are many aspects of TQ that could do with some luv and innovation, sadly they seem to have been put in the basket labelled - My Replacements Jobs.
NB; I do have a great role for the covert venture in mind, although it has nothing to do with mining other than trying to catch rorquals in belts. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7226
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Posted - 2014.05.03 11:48:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:If my maths are close, maxed out, this thing will pull about a fifth the yield of a 1.5 week old toon in a barge.
yes. the H/j are paying 1.5x veld, give or take.
So income per time mining H/J in this vs veld in barge = 0.2 x 1.5 = 30%.
So, I can max this out, take it out to low, find H/J cluster to mine... and make 1/3rd the profit of mining veld in high?
(ignoring travel time... ignoring risk... ignoring the what adding Mex to Arc will do to Mex price...)
Yep, we're sure to see fleets of these ninja mining low sec. Becuase we all know the goal of miners is to minimize profits in exchange for higher risk. Yup. It is largely irrelevant though. With the buffs to the ABC rocks, null sec refine rates, and null sec industry, null sec takes another step towards complete independence from all other sectors in the game, which is what one of the dev's promised 6 months ago would never happen. It is only a matter of time before the cartel leaders start demanding of their serfs minerals, or uncompressed ores, as part of their monthly tribute. I find it a joke when null sec complains about their transportation costs to high sec going from 0.5% to 0.75% of a payload with this isotope hike. If you listen to one of the chief architects of this indy overhaul, he has plans for null sec to be like Civilization-like city-states. Of course, he forgets to mention, those city-states will trade with each other, and have nothing to do with high sec.
We'd prefer our tribute in compressed ores actually. Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division. |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
179
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Posted - 2014.05.03 12:32:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:Rek Seven wrote:wow that ship is pretty underwhelming, i'll have no reason to use this over my venture. Good job Rise/Fozzie... In fact the hole of fanfest has been a let down so far. How so, petulant much? Petulant - A word so rarely used - And not really appropriate in context. Negative or closed minded may have been better choices. One could say you are being overcritical of another - but that isn't fair either. I agree many of the proposals for summer are somewhat underwhelming - Not being petulant by any means, just stating an opinion. It is more the manner in which you state your opinion which makes someone come across as petulant. Nothing wrong with criticism, but how you voice your criticism is what matters.
As for fanfest being a let down, I think there is a lot of interesting stuff on the horizon, although it seems as though everything is being finalised so they didn't have any high quality demos or models. The warp effects are pretty awesome, although the tech demo did them little justice for instance.
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Nlex
Domini Canium
36
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Posted - 2014.05.03 12:47:00 -
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With this nice cloaky ship an enterprising newbie miner, imagining himself a lone wolf explorer, can finally ninja mine those valuable ABCs in hostile nullsec, showing "the man" what brave ones can do. But lets see just how much riches can such an expedition bring? 10k m3 ore bay can be filled with 625 units of any ABC ore (16m3). You'll have to move it uncompressed, of course. This haul is worth up to 3kk in Jita, according to EVE Central. Not a groundbreaking sum for a trip there and back through gatecamps. Blockade runners won't help with it, since they have about the same capacity as Prospect's ore hold and it'll come down to the same number of trips. |
Cydelle Abraham
Aurora Armaments Gentlemen's Agreement
40
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Posted - 2014.05.03 13:03:00 -
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I was really looking forward to see the stats for this ship. I still like it, but some parts disappoint me.
My biggest problems have already been mentioned by others but I wanted to summarize them:
1. still only 2 turret slots. I hoped for an increased gas mining capability as this is a more specialized Venture
2. gas mining in null sec It is very hard to run gas sites with two or more people because of the explosions. If you are unlucky even your own gas harvesters can kill you. The only way to be relativley safe is to bring another guy in a logi cruiser
3. finding the gas sites I hoped for at least a little scan bonus in order to find those sites easier. |
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
191
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Posted - 2014.05.03 13:32:00 -
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Dear CCP Fozzie,
Thank you for posting this dev blog during such a busy fanfest schedule, very much appreciated and have fun
Regards, a Freelancer Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
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Dave Stark
5229
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Posted - 2014.05.03 15:33:00 -
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ccp are unwilling to start a power creep with ships, and don't hesitate to nerf as well as buff.
however, they seem adamant about flooding eve with minerals by continually adding more and more minerals to ores and creating... a power creep. have ccp considered removing minerals from ore, rather than flooding the game with minerals? |
Seith Kali
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.05.03 15:58:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Every high sec L4 mission runner and incursion runner is a pilot not paying a tithe to some cartel lord, and not grinding ISK and rocks to make stargates to the next area the cartels can control.
Every last cent of that ISK ends up in our pockets anyway, one way or another. Apprentice Goonswarm Economic Warfare Consultant - Drowning in entitlement and privilege.-á |
Sell Aideron
Interstellar Geographic Society Haven.
0
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:04:00 -
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YAY, love it |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1040
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:55:00 -
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Ugleb wrote:The Prospect may not have the +2 warp strength of the Venture, but it does get +3 lows and covert ops cloaking. Sounds like an even more annoying stabbed FW LP farmer. That can warp around invisibly. And fit more WCS. And gets a 10m sig radius reduction. I don't like this thought. Cloaks won't work in the beacon radius soon. Admittedly, it would be better if this was radius + 15km but still an interesting change. It would be even better if stabbed ships didn't run the site down.
I very much like the idea of this ship line btw - can't wait to see the others. I might have to train mining on one of my characters for some lowsec fun. Just because I can. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
180
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:08:00 -
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Cydelle Abraham wrote:I was really looking forward to see the stats for this ship. I still like it, but some parts disappoint me.
My biggest problems have already been mentioned by others but I wanted to summarize them:
1. still only 2 turret slots. I hoped for an increased gas mining capability as this is a more specialized Venture
2. gas mining in null sec It is very hard to run gas sites with two or more people because of the explosions. If you are unlucky even your own gas harvesters can kill you. The only way to be relativley safe is to bring another guy in a logi cruiser
3. finding the gas sites I hoped for at least a little scan bonus in order to find those sites easier. Who cares about gas, we already have a very decent gas mining ship. What we need is a ship which can mine ice in hostile space. This would be great if it could equip ice mining lasers. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1331
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:55:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:24 hours to go.
Congrats
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Aalysia Valkeiper
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:03:00 -
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comparision: Venture to Prospect;
targetting range DOUBLED ore hold DOUBLED cargo hold TRIPLED strong warp lost, but extra lowslots added which enable MORE strength from stabilizers another skill which adds another 25% mining yeild when maxxed a role bonus which DOUBLES mining yeild loss of drones, but drones may be a liability in wormholes (I'm not sure) faster better tank higher price (not stated, but a given) ability to mount covert ops cloak AND operate it without logging down the CPU can't mine ice, but I'm not sure if the Venture can, either
over all, a pretty fair upgrade. |
Dramaticus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
518
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:15:00 -
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If I ever see 2 of these ships in 0.0 I will honestly be shocked The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal
The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them |
Aalysia Valkeiper
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:25:00 -
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the devblog states the Prospect is the first of a new class of mining frigates.
I don't see ORE coming out with a second variant of the Venture/Prospect, so the other frigates will have to come from other factions.
I don't see the 4 main factions developing mining vessels (at least, not unarmed ones), much less mining frigates.
So, these other mining frigates must come from the 'pirate factions'.
Sisters of EvE and Society of Creative Thought (makers of the Gnosis) could possibly design one each, but I see the other pirate factions doing so more likely.
Notice there was no mention in the blog of making any larger class of mining vessels... only mining frigates.
as for the calls in the thread for armed miners... there have been several threads by players calling for this and many quite good ideas on how to implement it. CCP so far as chosen to ignore those threads, so the answer seems to be a resounding "NO COTTON-PICKING WAY!!!"
as for the other changes mentioned in the blog...
looks like CCP is continuing to push mining players out of high sec (and the gangers who prey on them). thus the new players still learning the game will likely be the vast majority of the players in high sec.
the changes to the ore balances does that very well. |
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