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Kovach Lyudozherc
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Posted - 2006.05.22 17:46:00 -
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I've been doing missions in minmatar ships for a while. I knew that raven was THE choice for missions. But I still used my phoon for missions as I am Minmatar by heart. On top of that the phoon should be more fun to use with its drones/missiles/projectilles setup.
In Enemies Abound 1/5 LVL4 mission you get warp scrabmled by some gallente navy gamma support elite frigs wich I can't kill. My 4 650mm t2 won't even hit them, my 4 arbalest cruise launchers wont pass those frigates tank even if target painted. Drones cause aggro. Smartbombs would do the job, but in a similar situation on Enemies Abound 3/5 or 4/5 the use of smartbombs causes aggro(fortunately I did not buy the 8.5km, 450mil officer smartbomb for my pve tempest).
Drones have been buged for a long time now and even though they are getting some fixes tommorow, the drone aggro bug will still be there(I assume it is a bug as I got a ship back when it was destroyed due to drone aggro). The phoons 7.5% boost to missile rate of fire, per level is postponed?!. Raven does missions much much faster as it can tank and kill better at the same time.
I finally decided to train for caldari ships, for the raven precisely. CCP please don't fix the drone aggro bug anymore (seems you were not intending to do it anyway) so I won't have to cry for my skills thrown away for caldari ships.
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.05.22 17:49:00 -
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hm do u still get mass agroes when using drones even after the first wave has agroed u allready? been a while since i used drones on an L4 so curious to here.
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Kovach Lyudozherc
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Posted - 2006.05.22 17:53:00 -
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Yes.
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.05.22 17:57:00 -
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swap the 4 cruise for 4 Assault launchers.
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Kovach Lyudozherc
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Posted - 2006.05.22 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker swap the 4 cruise for 4 Assault launchers.
Some cruisers shoot from 30km+ and I wouldn't be able to break some BS's tanks.
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Kylania
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Posted - 2006.05.22 18:19:00 -
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Pay more attention to your drones than? They won't cause aggro if you fly them right and call them off before they have a chance to pick another target. Or use a webber to help your 650s hit. How high is your Motion Prediction skill? Got Surgical Strike trained up? Warhead Upgrades? Target Nav Prediction? Seems to be a lot of things you either didn't mention or perhaps haven't tried?
Heck why not do one fitting for the frigates, fly in kill them, then dock to swap to your cruiser bashing fitting and finish the mission? -- Lil Miner |
Buraken v2
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Posted - 2006.05.22 18:22:00 -
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simple solutoin, dubble webb them, now u can insta pop them even if you have 1400's
Originally by: Mang0o 200m sexy ill bid on yours becouse you are so cute
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Rabbitgod
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Posted - 2006.05.22 18:29:00 -
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Drones seem to be the hot topic today.
When using drone keep a tight leash on them.
Call them back and give them a new target the very moment their current target pops. Don't let them roam free thats why you are getting argo.
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babylonstew
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Posted - 2006.05.22 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rabbitgod Drones seem to be the hot topic today.
When using drone keep a tight leash on them.
Call them back and give them a new target the very moment their current target pops. Don't let them roam free thats why you are getting argo.
trouble is, just launching the damn things on that mission can set off the whole damn lvl, and raven has trouble with it aswell, even 6 cruise struggle to kill them feckin gamma frigs
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Kovach Lyudozherc
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Posted - 2006.05.22 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Kovach Lyudozherc on 22/05/2006 19:14:19
Originally by: Kylania Pay more attention to your drones than? They won't cause aggro if you fly them right and call them off before they have a chance to pick another target. Or use a webber to help your 650s hit. How high is your Motion Prediction skill? Got Surgical Strike trained up? Warhead Upgrades? Target Nav Prediction? Seems to be a lot of things you either didn't mention or perhaps haven't tried?
Heck why not do one fitting for the frigates, fly in kill them, then dock to swap to your cruiser bashing fitting and finish the mission?
1.They will cause aggro when you put them out already (Worlds Collide mission for example). 2.I have all projectilles skill to lvl 5 and all missiles skill to lvl4. I cant hit frigs even with 2 webs (85%). 3. In one mission there are more groups of NPC's each one with frigs and bs's. How can I take out all frigs without getting aggroed by the whole stage?
In a Raven I could just warp in target all and press f1 to f8. Another solution would be for CCP to fix the drones and I could still do missions in a phoon, but I gave up on that after so many months of whinning and petitions for lost phoons.
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Vladimir Ilych
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Posted - 2006.05.22 19:19:00 -
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autocannons + webber + tracking computer = dead frigs
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Kovach Lyudozherc
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Posted - 2006.05.22 19:38:00 -
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There is 1% chance to hit a frig orbiting you at 7.5 km with 65m/s (webbed) with dual 650mm t2 autocannons.
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Theocrates
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Posted - 2006.05.22 19:49:00 -
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1%? Odd. Have you thought about dropping AC sizes to get a better frigate killer?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.22 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kovach Lyudozherc There is 1% chance to hit a frig orbiting you at 7.5 km with 65m/s (webbed) with dual 650mm t2 autocannons.
Thats because dual 650's are artillery guns, meant for long range. Try autocannons.
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Red Six
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Posted - 2006.05.22 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Kovach Lyudozherc There is 1% chance to hit a frig orbiting you at 7.5 km with 65m/s (webbed) with dual 650mm t2 autocannons.
Thats because dual 650's are artillery guns, meant for long range. Try autocannons.
No, Dual 650's are Large Autocannons not artillery. You are getting them confused with the 650 Medium Artillery.
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Levin Cavil
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Posted - 2006.05.22 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Levin Cavil on 22/05/2006 20:23:20
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Kovach Lyudozherc There is 1% chance to hit a frig orbiting you at 7.5 km with 65m/s (webbed) with dual 650mm t2 autocannons.
Thats because dual 650's are artillery guns, meant for long range. Try autocannons.
Actually you're wrong. Try looking up "Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II" on the market. Note that it's under "autocannon" and that it requires autocannon speciaization. Plus the 4.3km optimal and 16km falloff is hardly "long range".
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DeadProphet
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Posted - 2006.05.22 20:25:00 -
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Precision Cruise missiles ftw?
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.05.22 22:15:00 -
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i tried some setups with heavy missiles + painters, they are not too bad for frigs
maybe something like 3 paint or 2 paint + 1 web
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Truth Serum
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Posted - 2006.05.22 22:51:00 -
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Maybe dont expect to solo lvl4 agents? Unless you re prepred to spend billions on equipment.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.05.22 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Truth Serum Maybe dont expect to solo lvl4 agents? Unless you re prepred to spend billions on equipment.
lv4 missions are not that difficult, the phoon imo is also quite a good ship for mission (even with not very high SPs)
very versatile good tank...
his main problem is the "low" dps thta makes kills a bit slow, expecially if you can't get the drone support
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Kovach Lyudozherc
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Posted - 2006.05.23 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ath Amon his main problem is the "low" dps thta makes kills a bit slow, expecially if you can't get the drone support
phoon would be great for missions if drones didn't cause aggro.
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Void Walker
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Posted - 2006.05.23 06:57:00 -
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Just a suggestion for the OP, get a HAC? I'm having 0 trouble on level 4s with a Zealot, no drones needed
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Rick Dentill
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Posted - 2006.05.23 07:07:00 -
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Everytime I have done enemies abound part 1 I have used large smartbombs to kill the scrambler frigates and it did not agro all. Not done it for a couple of months so cant confirm if this has changed. I even would fly back to station when they are dead to refit. Nothing wrong with that. _______
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CaptainSeafort
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Posted - 2006.05.23 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Truth Serum Maybe dont expect to solo lvl4 agents? Unless you re prepred to spend billions on equipment.
dominix: 60m LAR: coupla mill n-type hardners: 8 mill overall tasteh named dmg control: 10m lotsa large nos: pocket change afterburner+4x cap rechargers: cheap as anything 1x agro gun+ 1x drone range mod: mebbe 2m? 10 ogres, 8 hammerheads, 9 hobgoblins: not worth counting.
ZOMG IT R TEH BRAZILLIONS!
and yes, i do solo lvl4s, and yes you are stupid -.-
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Tehyarec
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Posted - 2006.05.23 09:46:00 -
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It is quite sad... in lvl 4 Silence the Informant the second nearest group of stage two aggroed me when I engaged the first group after I launched my drones. And the other group were beyond my drone range, not to mention drones didn't have time to fly that far, and were all attacking the first group. Talk about stupid and bugged.
Oh, and the reason you can't do squat to those tackler frigs is the stupid webifier bug. If you webify tacklers, more often than not they stop taking damage at some point, even if your guns and your drones hit them time after time. Only thing you can do is not webify them and let light drones kill them, if they're not too fast. Talk about stupid and bugged part 2.
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Logi3
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Posted - 2006.05.23 10:03:00 -
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Its not about managing drones properly to not cause agro. For me they always cause agro, i tested them 200km away, and 1 seconds after the were out my drone bay, the Ravens were firing there missiles at the drones -----------------------------------------------
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Minsc
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Posted - 2006.05.23 15:59:00 -
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Man I use drones all the time in level 4 missions, my drones are rarely ever even attacked. The way I do it is to always bring them out after you have started attacking, if you haven't gotten the npc's attention then they will just pick a random target.
Also, if you are having trouble hitting frigates in your BS, just fit a racial jammer and jam them, I have a near 100% jam rate on frigates and they go poof in 1 or 2 volleys of my 425's, even as close as 15km away or less. When you first jam the frigates they will stop dead to change direction, giving you time to hit them with your large guns. Even after they have started moving again it is usually directly away from you so you can still hit them pretty easily.
I bring along 5 heavy's on my mega when I do lvl 4's and will only pull them out if there are a ton of frigates to kill and I can't get them all before they get in close, that doesn't happen often.
Oh and as for the one who said you need billions in equipment to solo lvl 4's, the only tech 2 I have is 6 425's and a large repper, no faction or named loot either.
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Minsc
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Posted - 2006.05.23 16:00:00 -
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Man I use drones all the time in level 4 missions, my drones are rarely ever even attacked. The way I do it is to always bring them out after you have started attacking, if you haven't gotten the npc's attention then they will just pick a random target.
Also, if you are having trouble hitting frigates in your BS, just fit a racial jammer and jam them, I have a near 100% jam rate on frigates and they go poof in 1 or 2 volleys of my 425's, even as close as 15km away or less. When you first jam the frigates they will stop dead to change direction, giving you time to hit them with your large guns. Even after they have started moving again it is usually directly away from you so you can still hit them pretty easily.
I bring along 5 heavy's on my mega when I do lvl 4's and will only pull them out if there are a ton of frigates to kill and I can't get them all before they get in close, that doesn't happen often.
Oh and as for the one who said you need billions in equipment to solo lvl 4's, the only tech 2 I have is 6 425's and a large repper, no faction or named loot either.
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Minsc
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Posted - 2006.05.23 16:00:00 -
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Man I use drones all the time in level 4 missions, my drones are rarely ever even attacked. The way I do it is to always bring them out after you have started attacking, if you haven't gotten the npc's attention then they will just pick a random target.
Also, if you are having trouble hitting frigates in your BS, just fit a racial jammer and jam them, I have a near 100% jam rate on frigates and they go poof in 1 or 2 volleys of my 425's, even as close as 15km away or less. When you first jam the frigates they will stop dead to change direction, giving you time to hit them with your large guns. Even after they have started moving again it is usually directly away from you so you can still hit them pretty easily.
I bring along 5 heavy's on my mega when I do lvl 4's and will only pull them out if there are a ton of frigates to kill and I can't get them all before they get in close, that doesn't happen often.
Oh and as for the one who said you need billions in equipment to solo lvl 4's, the only tech 2 I have is 6 425's and a large repper, no faction or named loot either.
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MrBadidea
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Posted - 2006.05.23 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kovach Lyudozherc I've been doing missions in minmatar ships for a while. I knew that raven was THE choice for missions. But I still used my phoon for missions as I am Minmatar by heart. On top of that the phoon should be more fun to use with its drones/missiles/projectilles setup.
In Enemies Abound 1/5 LVL4 mission you get warp scrabmled by some gallente navy gamma support elite frigs wich I can't kill. My 4 650mm t2 won't even hit them, my 4 arbalest cruise launchers wont pass those frigates tank even if target painted. Drones cause aggro. Smartbombs would do the job, but in a similar situation on Enemies Abound 3/5 or 4/5 the use of smartbombs causes aggro(fortunately I did not buy the 8.5km, 450mil officer smartbomb for my pve tempest).
Drones have been buged for a long time now and even though they are getting some fixes tommorow, the drone aggro bug will still be there(I assume it is a bug as I got a ship back when it was destroyed due to drone aggro). The phoons 7.5% boost to missile rate of fire, per level is postponed?!. Raven does missions much much faster as it can tank and kill better at the same time.
I finally decided to train for caldari ships, for the raven precisely. CCP please don't fix the drone aggro bug anymore (seems you were not intending to do it anyway) so I won't have to cry for my skills thrown away for caldari ships.
For the last time SHOOTING AT THE INITIAL AGGRO GROUP OF FRIGS/CEPTORS IN ENEMIES ABOUND 1/5 WILL CAUSE THE ENTIRE DEADSPACE POCKET TO AGGRO YOU.
I can't stress the number of times I've had to explain this, but if you pay close attention to what your doing, you'll clearly see that the first 2 battleships and the frigs that shoot at you are two different groups (they aggro at slightly different times). And even then, it should be clear that just damaging one of the inital frigs causes the rest of the deadspace pocket to come down on you, drones or not.
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